Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Knot table

Knot table

Original - A table of prime knots up to seven crossings (excluding mirror images) labelled with Alexander-Briggs notation.

Reason: I think this diagram meets all of the applicable criteria, it helps readers visualize the differences and similarities between different knots.
Articles this image appears in: knot (mathematics), knot theory, knot tabulation, prime knot
Creator: J kasd

Support as nominator --J kasd 01:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support very well done illustration. Cat-five - talk 03:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support I think some colour would make it more interesting and engage the viewer more. Nothing fancy, perhaps make the captions coloured. Capital photographer (talk) 06:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~. It's simple and informative, but also uninteresting. It is not an example of Wikipedia's best work. NauticaShad es 14:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. I've chosen to change my vote, because I have little expertise in this area. The image does not look particularly striking to me, but that's not for me to decide. :) NauticaShad es 22:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This picture was created to illustrate what the different knots look like, not as an artistic expression. J kasd 16:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think this diagram does a superb job at illustrating a somewhat-difficult topological concept clearly and cleanly. Knots are a topological concept, so any position you could move the knot into without breaking the string is a valid representation - hence I can also praise the creator for choosing particularly clear forms to illustrate them in. It is admittedly true that it does help if you're a topology geek, or at least an amateur one, and it's also admittedly true that it's a very basic drawing. Still, we shouldn't knock things just because they're simple, particularly in cases like this where the simplicity aids in understanding, so I must support. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose unless~~ there is some sourcing for this image... gren グレン 05:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The knots can be found in many places, [1] for example. J kasd 14:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't saying this image was wrong... but, I don't tend to like adding sources to someone else's image since they should, ideally, source exactly what they used... not something found afterwards. Since you are the creator if you used that page could you just add it saying you used it to help create the image? We just need to make sure images, since they are parts of articles, live up to WP:RS, especially when they become featured. gren グレン 06:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I created the picture with Inkscape, but I used KnotPlot [2] to get the diagrams, I've updated the image description at commons to reflect this. J kasd 15:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support, it doesn't fully have the "awe" factor but it is a well done image. gren グレン 04:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question. Is this a complete catalog of these classes of knots, or was any selection involved? Spikebrennan (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a complete table of all prime knots with crossing number up to seven excluding mirror images. I've updated the caption to clarify. J kasd 18:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Useful and encyclopedic. Caption could explain what the subscripts mean. Spikebrennan (talk) 18:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander-Briggs notation is just an arbitrary ordering of the knots, the large number is the number of crossings, and the subscript is just the arbitrary order used by J. W. Alexander and G. Briggs. See Knot theory#Tabulating knots and the article in progress Knot tabulation. J kasd 18:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I wish this picture could be more interesting to everyone, but I feel that adding color or something else would be distracting and detract from its encyclopedic value. J kasd 04:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with Jkasd. I would prefer that the lines be a bit thicker in the knots. Spencer^T♦^C 14:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've made the lines thicker now, and also made sure all the ends look like they would meet under the crossing. J kasd 16:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Knot_table.svg MER-C 10:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]