Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/MacArthur Family

Douglas, Jean, and Arthur MacArthur

Original - General Douglas MacArthur, his wife Jean, and son Arthur deplaning in Manila in 1950, to begin a visit.

Reason

While this photograph is not of a high technical standard, its historic nature makes it one of the best public domain photographs of its subject: Douglas MacArthur with his family, in existence, and is the only photo of the MacArthur family on Wikipeda. I think it adds value to the encyclopedia, as the Douglas MacArthur article has no photos of his family, and not a single photo of MacArthur in a civilian context (i.e. as a "family man" rather than a "military man").

Articles in which this image appears

Douglas MacArthur Jean MacArthur

FP category for this image

People

Creator

Noraft

• Support as nominator --ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 03:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This was added to the FPC queue on May 14 at 20:08 UTC. Jujutacular ^T · C 20:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Can not support this without restoration... maybe contact one of our excellent restorers to see if they'd work on it? — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 00:43, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Who would they be? ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 02:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
    • The first one that comes to my mind is Durova, and she would know plenty more, shes probably the most active restorers. I'd give her a shout see if she can bring this image up to FP quality. — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 01:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Even with restoration, I'm not at all sure that this picture would "significantly add" to its article. The general is only half seen, behind two of his family members that had no historical significance. IMHO, there's nothing historical, significant, or even interesting in the whole picture. --Desiderius82 (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, I'd say it adds to the article on Jean MacArthur, considering there was no picture of her on Wikipedia until this one was added. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 16:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
    • That's true. But who was Jean McArthur - aside of the general's wife? Desiderius82 (talk) 16:21, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Someone with an article in Wikipedia and unless you think that article is risking being deleted, if that image is the only available of her, then that makes it important. 128.100.216.170 (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
• A recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, awarded by Ronald Reagan, which is something you don't get for simply being someone's spouse. If you don't think the picture should be featured for whatever reason, that's fine, but I'm here to tell you that Jean MacArthur is notable in her own right. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 19:19, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

• Point taken. But i don't think we can chose a picture for FP only because it's the only available (here) of someone with an article. Unless that someone is Frederic Chopin or something. There are other criteria that need to be met, right? Desiderius82 (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

There certainly are, and most of them are waived for historic photographs. This photograph is special because it is the only known public domain photo of the family in existence. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 20:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

I do agree this picture probably qualifies as a special case for historic/irreplaceable images, but I don't think any of the regulars here would want to promote it until it's been given some restoration love. — raeky ^{(talk | edits)} 01:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

I've got a request in to Durova. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 03:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• I have received a request to restore this image. Normally I would note the technical shortcomings of the current version and inquire whether the nominator could obtain a better copy. This time--and this is no reflection on the nominator in particular--there are other objections. As noted on my user talk page, my wiki time is reduced these days. At the last two FPC related discussions where I participated, aggressive and very pointed attacks were made upon my motives and character yet no one called those attacks inappropriate. At one of those places the attacks were ongoing for days before I was even aware that the discussion existed. My mentions of hospice and a recent death in the family encountered utter silence. Fellow volunteers, it is hardly tenable to say "go ask Durova to work on this" when years of unpaid service is not even returned with basic human courtesy. Durova⁴¹² 17:39, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

• The fact that you are considered the restoration expert is a sign of how much your work is considered valuable. WP is always a discussion playground. The key is not to take it personal. Even if they talk about you. After all, Durova is not really Lise, or at least it doesn't have to be. Also as all work in WP, you do it if you feel like doing it, if not is fine, maybe someone else will. Gnemetropos (talk) 20:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

The edit screen at my user talk page has a FAQ.

4) I don't want to learn to restore images, but I want you to restore stuff for me.

Please supply an uncompressed TIFF or PNG file of 10 MB or larger. And offer to do something for me.
5) I thought you restored images in ten minutes with a couple of Photoshop plugins?
False assumption. The fastest good article writers turn out good articles at about the same speed as I restore images. Takes comparable effort. Actually, Juliancolton and Ottava Rima say they're faster.
6) What can I do in return?

I have written seven good articles; how about you improve one of them and we conominate at featured article candidates? Then you answer all the manual of style objections. ;)

This request seeks hours of labor which would not be able to correct the partially hidden face of the image's most famous subject or the soft focus. This is a mundane piece of photojournalism, slightly below average for its type. Nonetheless, the offer stands. Please follow up at my user talk when one of my GAs goes live at FAC. I will do the restoration then. Durova⁴¹² 21:30, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Nomination Withdrawn Will renominate after I've restored it. ɳorɑfʈ ^Talk! 04:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC) Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 06:27, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

• Withdrawn by nominator. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:27, 18 May 2010 (UTC)