Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Swamp Wallaby

Swamp Wallaby Feeding

Original - The Swamp Wallaby (Wallabia bicolor) is the only living representative of the genus Wallabia. This individual exhibits the species' unusual preference for browsing; note the use of the forelimbs to grasp the plant

Crop by Fletcher

Reason: This is a high quality image of a Swamp Wallaby (Wallabia bicolor). The Swamp Wallaby is rare amongst the many species of macropods (kangaroos, wallabies, etc) in that they almost exclusively graze, however this species browses on leaves, etc. This photo shows this rare characteristic very well, including the way it grasps the plant and leaves in its 'hands'. (I also have a possible 'alternative' image being used in the Wallaby article , but I have a slight preference for the nominated image.)
Articles this image appears in: Swamp Wallaby
Creator: jjron

Support as nominator --jjron (talk) 16:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment subject is cut off. Is there an alternative with the full subject in frame? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 16:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Meta-discussion largely unrelated to this nomination

- Yes there is - refer to the lead image in the article, which is of this same individual. But IMO this has better EV as it shows the rare feeding behaviour better, as I have pointed out in the nom. Besides, the full animal is not required, even if there wasn't a good reason - refer to Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Animals/Mammals for plenty of other examples of 'cut off' mammal FPs. --jjron (talk) 17:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, it's required by me to get my support. And I don't care that other people have been willing to pass cut-off animals in the past. Consensus can change and all that. No criteria-lawyering needed here. Thank you. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 07:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Consensus can change, but unfortunately you don't create the consensus by yourself. The consensus is expressed in Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria, and that does not exclude images that have been framed in this way. Thank you. --jjron (talk) 08:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Wallabies are relatively tame, and easy to photograph as a result. Mostlyharmless (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I think when dealing with "cut-off" images of animals (especially in smaller animals), it is important the remainder of the animal make up for the missing part, such as the FP's of this seal, or this cat, and given that you can't really see the wallaby's face that well, I vote no. Nevertheless, I enjoyed your photo. smooth0⁷0₇ (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Cut off, hence it has less encyclopaedic value - aesthetic value poor Capital photographer (talk) 12:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is it possible cutting it off more would help the image? I think people are bothered by the way you can see most, but not all, of its form. If you cropped it to box in the head, arms, and the plant, it would bring the focus more to its face and eating behavior. It's only 1600 x 1200, but I think this can be done without dropping under the image size requirements. Just an idea. Fletcher (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on Comment Added a cropped alternate. To me, I like it more focused on its face. Fletcher (talk) 21:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for your edit (and for actually reading the nomination) - if the cropped version is particularly popular I can re-crop from the original and put it up at a higher res. I tried another crop too, but mine was tighter, and yours seems fairly popular. --jjron (talk) 08:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Though its cut off, it provides a view which would be very difficult to provide withn a full body shot. Muhammad(talk) 19:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The back half of the wallaby is not in focus, and though Fletcher's crop takes out most of it, a full animal shot is preferred. Spencer^T♦^C 23:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support crop The oppose votes are perhaps correct that the picture does not do a good job of portraying the anatomical characteristics of the wallaby, but there is more to an animal than its anatomical characteristics. This shot seems to display the feeding behavior very well, and the cropped version emphasizes it even more. The technical qualities seem good enough to me. deranged bulbasaur 00:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support crop--Mbz1 (talk) 04:18, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support crop that makes it an image of a Swamp Wallaby eating. --Blechnic (talk) 22:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support crop The crop looks better, but it's still not that great. Becky Sayles (talk) 00:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose crop, oppose original. I'd be more impressed if I could see the food actually going into its mouth. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 14:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the food actually going into its stomack?--Mbz1 (talk) 01:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about it? Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 01:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just was asking, if you'd be even more impressed?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support either. Each works nicely in the article. Seeing it eating isn't that important to me.Dwayne Reed (talk) 18:20, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A good, illustrative image of the diet of this wallaby. However, I do not care for the lighting, which distracts from the subject. (Dimly lit wallaby, very bright background.) Mangostar (talk) 22:27, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No consensus MER-C 06:51, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]