Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Albert Harris - Coconut shy B

Albert Harris - Coconut shy B

A traditional coconut shy, established in 1936 by Mrs E. Harris, is still being run by her son today.

True vertical and horizantals are in green. lines that should be such are pink. measures of the deviations apear in pink. Average tilt is about 3.6 degrees. that isn't minor.

Reason: Poor composition. no sence of size of tent and location. Distracting lights, blown red in places. subject blends in with background. Tilted to the right. Not particularly ENC.
Nominator: Fcb981

Strong Delist — Fcb981 14:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delist I remember perfectly when it was nominated. The support was so overwhelming I was afraid to oppose. I think it's now the time for it to go. The resolution is not very high also. --23:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep high quality, size of the tent is easily inferable based on the person there. tilt is admittedly hard to assess. The rest of the technical problems are minor. Debivort 00:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the height maybe but not the portion behind the camera, for all the reader knows the tent is 300 meters in length with the game at the end!! -Fcb981 20:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hahaha good one :-)Debivort 19:35, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral but someone should fix the color balance if possible. --jacobolus (t) 02:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see any of the problems. ~ trialsanderrors 08:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- its tilted 3.6 degrees. -Fcb981 20:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - - You might want to not measure plumb lines on flexible surfaces, like open tent corners. A pole that has to ballance a coconut might be more appropriate as a necessarily vertical element in a photo. Debivort 00:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Those lines are complete bullshit. ~ trialsanderrors 18:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Clearly you didn't actually look at the image and I wonder why you think they are bullshit. I respect that there are trialsanderrors but try to get a few more correct. This is the most un-ENC picture ever to be featured. -Fcb981 21:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - I looked at it long enough to have a good laugh at the lines you drew in. I don't even know what the 4.0° line is supposed to follow. The tent pole? Certainly not, and it also ignores the coconut poles right next it (which need to be vertical since they balance the coconuts). The 3.6° line is perspective distortion: the eyeline, roughly at the level of his hairline, is horizontal as it should be, all lines above it slope upwards just like it happens under normal perspective. The 3.4° might be distortion, but it might also be that the sign is slanted like the one to the left. Those lines show absolutely nothing. ~ trialsanderrors 03:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - chuckle per Trialsanderrors. Debivort 22:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delist. This stretches the definition of encyclopedicity - the coconut shies are hardly visible, the signage is totally inappropriate and irrelevant to the game, the tent is cut off on all sides. Incidentally, there is terrible overexposure of most of the light bulbs. Pstuart84 Talk 15:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Light sources are overexposed? How do you properly expose white light without turning it white? ~ trialsanderrors 03:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - As I say, that's incidental to my opposition. There are plenty other reasons to oppose keeping this picture as an FPC. Pstuart84 Talk 21:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delist - doesn't really show the game ^8thstar 20:19, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. One of the more interesting FP's I've seen.--Bagginz 14:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Virtually all of User:Bagginz's contributions consist of voting Keep in delist nominations. --YFB ¿ 03:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Film at 11. --Bagginz 15:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC) [reply]

Strong Keep. Still falls within the FPC guidelines and is still one of the great FPC's from awhile ago. Cat-five - talk 02:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak keep~~Delist - It's not an especially good illustration of a coconut shy (not bad to illustrate fairground stalls in general though), but I find Fcb's complaints about tilt and tent size pretty bizarre - there's no proper reference to measure the tilt and it's quite likely the tent isn't even put up straight. If we were going to delist every image where you couldn't see what was behind the camera then we'd be restricted to 360º panoramas. I also agree with trialsanderrors about the lightbulbs - to expose this so that the lightbulbs weren't blown, you'd have to either use HDR to make one of the most unrealistic-looking images ever, or have nice unblown lightbulbs floating in a sea of almost-black. People seem to throw around blown highlights with no understanding of basic photographic principles. --YFB ¿ 03:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You say "It's not an especially good illustration of a coconut shy...". Is that not a prerequisite of this photo being featured? Pstuart84 Talk 21:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's why I voted weakly. I think it's mildly worth keeping as an illustration of Funfair, in which it also resides. --YFB ¿ 21:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my vote, prompted by further thought along the lines of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates#Criteria For Delisting. I don't think this would be promoted today and I don't think I'd vote support if it was nominated, therefore I should vote to delist. --YFB ¿ 02:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Because I don't think there was at the time any serious error of judgement in promoting the picture, which is IMO the only valid reason for delisting. Alvesgaspar 12:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delist - The colours and general composition is quite ugly. There is little encyclopaedic value as the coconuts can hardly been seen. Also why are parts of the tent cut off? It's not up to the standard of some of our Features pictures. Centy 13:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Keep. This a a great, unique, moody picture that technically meets the requirements; it wouldn't pass FPC today, but I don't see a compelling reason to delist it.--ragesoss 21:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, this is a great scene that I am not fully sure how we could replicate it... but I'm not 100% sure it's the best for the article. gren グレン 04:16, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - a wonderful picture, and illustrates fun fair well. (Changed my vote now that I see it isn't just being used to illustrate "coconut shy," which it does an admittedly lousy job at.) Calliopejen1 08:20, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Ignoring the question of whether the verticals are accurate or not, this isn't a good illustration of a coconut shy. The subject of the photo is clearly the man, and the coconuts themselves are partially obscured and hidden in a sea of distracting "other stuff." -- Moondigger 14:30, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Also, the red channel is blown in several areas -- I'm not referring to the lightbulbs, either.
Delist Is it just me or is the white balance severely off? Not used in any articles and after looking at it for a few minutes I still have no idea what the tent is about or what the man is supposed to do. Tilt is not a major problem as the tent may not be straight in the first place, but otherwise it's not of great quality. --antilived^{T | C | G} 05:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The edit isn't used in any articles, but the original is. Let's be careful here...Debivort 16:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - Oppos looking at the wrong version.... --antilived^{T | C | G} 23:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Not terribly encyclopedic, parts cut off, overexposure, and tilted. Reywas92^Talk 00:20, 29 April 2007 (UTC)I[reply]
Keep Excellent picture ! Light bulbs are blown out is the worse argument I ever heard.... Ericd 19:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This photo has a lot of character. howcheng {chat} 23:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree about the blown red highlights and the sad fact that the subject blends in so well with his surroundings, but it is still a very interesting photo. I don't see any reason to delist it. And if you've got nothing better to do than work out the "tilt" factor of this image, then... --Vaelta 17:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- IMO many comments about tilted pictures rely on the false hypothesis that something shoud be vertical in the picture. I noticed it with some picture of an old monastery. There was something that looked "wrong" in the picture but the floor was horizontal. I made a another visit to the monastery. (It's close to my workplace. In fact the wall on the right was both tilted and twisted ! Ericd 23:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - In fact this picture is not that good I tried to hack it a bit to get a cooler color balance. Its better with more blue but then JPEG artifacts jumps to your face ! Ericd 02:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I see no good reason to delist -- Spebudmak 18:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a great picture, meets the criteria of FPCs and illustrates the subject well. The lines are also meaningless so I oppose those. Cumulus Clouds 17:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I doubt the lines would be promoted anyway. -Fcb981 02:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

11.5 Keep, 9 Delist, 1 Neutral, 1 Chuckle, 0 Consensus → Kept --YFB ¿ 18:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]