Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/President Barack Obama

Barack Obama

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 5 June 2013 at 06:03:46 (UTC)

Current Featured Picture – Barack Obama delivering a speech at the University of Southern California in support of California Proposition 87

Replacement – White House portrait of President Barack Obama

Reason: Delist and replace the current featured picture of Barack Obama with his White House portrait.
Articles in which this image appears: Barack Obama, Economic policy of Barack Obama
Previous nomination/s: Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Obama Portrait 2006 trimmed.jpg
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Image:Obama Portrait 2006 trimmed.jpg
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:Obama Portrait 2006.jpg
Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/President Barack Obama (2006 portrait)
Nominator: --Rreagan007 (talk) 06:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Delist & Replace as nominator. The current FP of Barack Obama only currently appears in 1 article and is of marginal EV. The replacement portrait is a much better portrait in almost every way. It has much higher EV and appears in multiple articles. --Rreagan007 (talk) 06:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delist, no opinion on the replace. It's clear that the old image needs to be delisted- there's no particular EV for this image concerning Obama's energy policy, even if he happens to be making a speech on energy policy. J Milburn (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delist but aren't delists supposed to go in the delist section below? – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 18:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it was down there a few months ago, but not enough people voted. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:18, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should just start a new precedent, right now, in which delists are listed in with the other nominations. They might get more attention that way, and it's not like there are so many of them as to make the main list ungainly. On this image, weak delist (but closer may count me as delist if this ends as 4.5 delists and no keeps) per various previous nominations, don't replace, the new official portrait is pretty mediocre in my view: busy, flat, toothy, and weirdly composed, just short of traditional half-portrait length and with his head crammed up against the top of the frame. Chick Bowen 22:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm all for that new precedent. If this runs its course, I guess someone could just boldly remove the delist section and adjust the instructions at the top. We've talked about it enough times! J Milburn (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - See also Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Purple Swamphen down the page. Chick Bowen 01:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I never look at the delist section; it's mostly because I forget it's even there. I never look at the table of contents, just force of habit to skip to current noms, scroll through until I recognize an image, and be done. But would delists go here, even without a replace? Also, maybe the word "Delist:" should begin the title of every delist nom; at least something to make it stand out for those who do look at the TOC; also to hopefully refrain people who don't pay attention to the introductory information from writing "support beautiful photograph" accidentally. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 18:54, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Let's move this discussion to WT:FPC#Eliminating delist section (for real this time). Thanks. Chick Bowen 23:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delist and Replace. The old image is just plain bad. Replacement is good. --Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 21:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Since the image is here, I was just wondering, how can the official version be public domain and yet have the following requirement? --Muhammad(talk) 05:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This photograph is provided by THE WHITE HOUSE as a courtesy and may be printed by the subject(s) in the photograph for personal use only. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not otherwise be reproduced, disseminated or broadcast, without the written permission of the White House Photo Office. This photograph may not be used in any commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.

That's pure BS; if it is public domain, you can't put a restriction on it. That said, the PD release should serve as "permission of the White House Photo Office." --Wingtipvorte^X PTT ∅ 15:08, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's like when you see those dump trucks that say "Not responsible for broken windshields". It's complete BS. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delist, don't replace. Current FP is clearly subpar. I would like the new image to go through the regular voting process and get scrutinized in its own for quality and license, without confusion of wanting to replace a lesser image.TCO (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delisted --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 06:07, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]