Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/marine vietnam

marine_vietnam

Da Nang, Vietnam. A young Marine private waits on the beach during the Marine landing. - August 3, 1965

I understand that the image has great significance and rarety, but it does not depict a marine "...in Vietnam" well at all. The surrounding area is not shown or even the entire Marine. The image does not appear to be have been taken during a time of battle, so it would not have been a problem to clearly take the image of the whole soldier or the surrounding area as well. But mainly, its Fair Use status is questionable. The original author of the image is unknown and the image is only considered to be in Fair Use status.

• Nominate and Delist. - AJ24 15:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Original nominator is currently on "vacation". Due to the circumstance, should the nomination for delisting be postponed? -- AJ24 15:45, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: User:Cryptic is not on vacation; he has left the project. I believe the copyright status of the image is in the clear, however. Besides being from the National Archives, the source page states that it's from the records of the USMC, which would make it public domain. howcheng {chat} 18:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't know what your talking about, the image was nominated for FP status by Darwinek in November of 2005. His user page says he is on vacation. -- AJ24 18:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Oops, Cryptic uploaded a revised image. Didn't see that clearly. howcheng {chat} 23:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. It's a famous and historic photo. Even if we were to ignore the historical significance, it's a particularly fine informal portrait. No question in my mind that this should remain a featured picture. -- Moondigger 01:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Ditto Moondigger. --Davepape 02:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Moondigger. PPGMD 15:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. Main and possibly only concern is "Fair Use" status. I agree, the image is above and beyond excellent. -- AJ24 15:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Then why did you question it I quote "...but it does not depict a marine "...in Vietnam" well at all. The surrounding area is not shown or even the entire Marine. The image does not appear to be have been taken during a time of battle, so it would not have been a problem to clearly take the image of the whole soldier or the surrounding area as well."

The copyright status seems to be a secondary concern. Also you could have attempted to figure out the copyright status without putting the picture up for FP delisting. Not only that but the copyright status has always been fine, it's not fair use, it's public domain, and was that well before you nominated it for delisting. Last edit being March 19th.PPGMD 16:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"But mainly, its Fair Use status is questionable" - second to last statement. My other concerns, which I am beginning to reconsider, were secondary. The farthest I went in finding its "fair use" status were statements by an original nominator or edtior that said it was assumed to be fair use. -- AJ24 20:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The only person that has even mentioned fair use has been you, it was uploaded, then tagged PD National Archives (with a source link to the page), fair use is not mentioned on the image page, nor in the discussion page, nor the FPC page. Where you are getting fair use out of it I have no idea. PPGMD 20:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Keep-- Chris 73 | Talk 14:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Very historic photo, recognizable instantly, illustrates the fear and apprehension on the soldier's face, and also the age of some of the fighters in the Vietnam War. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 08:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep for all the reasons listed above and those likely to follow. TomStar81 02:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm back from the vacation. Keep per users above. - Darwinek 17:31, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Retained as featured picture Raven4x4x 05:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)