Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/delist/Moonlight Sonata 2-3
Delist nomination
These were nominated with a live performance of the first movement. I think they got rather minimal review because of that. I don't think they'd have passed on their own, and, hil completeness is good, I don't think these are the way to get that completeness.
Withholding judgement on the human-performed part for now.
- Nominate to delist. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- Delist I was hoping we could replace these with the musopen versions immediately, and do a delist and replace job like we did with It's a long way to Tipperary, but at the moment that proposal has stalled. Tch. In the mean time this is a mess of a set. Should we delist all three currently listed ones (see the chart below)? Sven Manguard Wha? 23:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to leave the genuine human performance, for now. If we don't get the full Musopen set, then we'll need to put these head-to-head. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- I've managed to find a third party hosting the third movement of Paul Pitman's performance on Musopen. I'll see if I can find the second movement, then upload them. --haha169 (talk) 06:13, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- Done, amazing what a few hours of searching can do. I'm not exactly sure what to do with them right now...so: . --haha169 (talk) 06:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm. Not as good as the first movement (there's some obvious mistakes), but far better than what we have. An interesting conundrum! =) Adam Cuerden (talk) 09:27, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- I'm inclined to leave the genuine human performance, for now. If we don't get the full Musopen set, then we'll need to put these head-to-head. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
- Delist: given the highly competitive nature of playing such canonic works (they're very exposed parts of the repertory), I don't believe either file should remain featured. Wrong notes, unevenness of touch, a bit underwhelming in artistic terms. Might be worth using in an article, but certainly not on the main page. That seems to be the benchmark now. Tony (talk) 13:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- Somewhat inclined to agree; It's a great find, but - and here's what we couldn't have known until we did find them - they aren't up to the high standards set by La Pianista and other. I'll have to review the competing first movements, as they seem a bit above the rest of this before I decide if any of those are FS-worthy. THAT said, I think these are definitely better for the article than what we have. Adam Cuerden (talk) 13:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
- Delist all I've just listened to this lot again and it's very dispiriting because to be frank they are all terribly dull. The MIDI version sounds just as it would if I'd step-entered the notes to a pre-determined tempo and then occasionally changed the volume of a phrase. Very poor. The Pitman performance is well below the standard expected; his first movement is ponderous and tedious and the rest are embarrassing. The same goes for the slow version in the nomination below - ponderous and dull on a poor piano. That too should be delisted. For once I agree with Tony.Major Bloodnok (talk) 21:20, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Per proposal on moving forwards, all current Moonlight Sonata FSes are delisted, and current discussions closed, without prejudice to future nominations. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)