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Game of Thrones (season 1)

The first season of Game of Thrones received international acclaim and commentary for its then-novel mix of fantasy, intrigue, and violence. All of the constituent articles garner a quarter million views per year, making this a very significant topic for our current popular media viewership.

Game of Thrones (season 1)

12 articles

"Winter Is Coming"

"The Kingsroad"

"Lord Snow"

"Cripples, Bastards, and Broken Things"

"The Wolf and the Lion"

"A Golden Crown"

"You Win or You Die"

"The Pointy End"

"Baelor"

"Fire and Blood"

Game of Thrones: Season 1 (soundtrack)

Contributor(s): jclemens

With the season summary article recently promoted to FL, the 10 GAs for each episode of the first season of the international hit HBO series now together meet GT criteria. --Jclemens (talk) 06:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As per standard formatting and precedent at Wikipedia:Good topics/Media and drama, episode titles should be in quotes- now done for you. --Pres N 12:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! Jclemens (talk) 17:14, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've been waiting for this topic for a long time and it's finally here. Great job. :) Nickag989^talk 14:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support the soundtrak seems minimal. Nergaal (talk) 11:41, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I did not include Game of Thrones Theme or Music of Game of Thrones in this topic because while they started with season 1, each of them has continued and the articles cover music throughout all six seasons to date. I think they would be properly included in a series overview topic, which this does not strive to be. Jclemens (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Digging a bit deeper into this, I was not even aware there was a separate music article for each season's soundtrack--music's not really my thing. I am in the process of working that article up to GA status, but note that other similar GTs, like Book:Doctor Who (series 5) 1) have a soundtrack album for the season in question, but 2) don't include it in the season topic, and 3) the soundtrack isn't GA either, and none of that seems to matter. Jclemens (talk) 22:20, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support if Game of Thrones: Season 1 (soundtrack) is promoted to GA, otherwise oppose as without it the topic is incomplete. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 18:20, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you cite any other GT/FT television season which 1) has a soundtrack album and 2) in which the soundtrack is included in the GT/FT? I've pointed out Book:Doctor Who (series 5), above, does not, and I do not see anything anywhere listed in Wikipedia:Good topics/Media and drama which has a similar composition: None of the other television season GTs delve into music at all, and the film GTs (Book:Pirates of the Caribbean films, List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films) don't touch on soundtracks, either. Let's look at featured topics: Book:Seasons of Avatar: The Last Airbender has a soundtrack album and it is not included in that topic, either. Even more egregiously, several show season FTs (Smallville (season 1), Supernatural (season 1), and Supernatural (season 2) don't even have articles for every episode! More to the point, a soundtrack article cannot be similar to an episode article, as suggested by WP:WIAGT, so it's unclear that any topic with both episodes AND soundtracks included meets the current GT criteria. I respectfully request that this request be struck, or that the criteria be clarified and applied consistently to other similar topics. Jclemens (talk) 07:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - That's (mostly) like comparing oranges and apples.
    Wikipedia:Featured topics/Pirates of the Caribbean films and Wikipedia:Featured topics/Marvel Cinematic Universe films have a restricted scope to films only. Also the Marvel Cinematic Universe, AFAICS, doesn't a have soundtrack article for all the films combined.
    
    Likewise, Wikipedia:Featured topics/Seasons of Avatar: The Last Airbender is restricted to only seasons, and I don't see a soundtrack article.
    
    "don't even have articles for every episode" Well, that doesn't matter, because at a good/featured topic nomination only existing articles are considered. If one of the missing articles is created, and it doesn't attains GA/FA status within three months (retention period), than the topic becomes eligible for delisting.
    I think it's highly relevant, because if I am being dinged on incompleteness in a GT for not having an article that's not even part of the season per se, but other Featured topics could have articles on other episodes created, but don't, that's an entirely consistent perverse incentive against creation of articles, or for the deletion of other articles, in order to get better bling. Jclemens (talk) 06:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - You're right about Wikipedia:Featured topics/Doctor Who (series 5), that should contain Doctor Who: Series 5 (soundtrack), so I will think about nominating it for delisting. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 14:47, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - So if the topic were to be renamed "Episodes of Game of Thrones Season 1" then you would support? Jclemens (talk) 06:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yeah, although I would prefer the "Game of Thrones (season 1) episodes" title for the topic. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 22:55, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Director Comment - Not seeing much of a consensus for this topic. There needs to be more discussion here before a consensus can be made. GamerPro64 14:33, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support - based on the concerns above, I will support this topic if the scope and name is changed to cover Season 1 episodes only. --haha169 (talk) 15:53, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And again... 1) That's not particularly fair as no other season GT/FT includes music and thus my contention is that a 'season X' topic is inherently limited to the episodes, and 2) I've nominated the S1 soundtrack for GA based on the feedback here, but no one has seen fit to pick it up yet. If someone here wants to do a GA review on that article, I can address those concerns.

Alternatively, do haha169 and Armbrust agree that this can be promoted as 'Game of Thrones (season 1) episodes' and then speedily renamed to 'Game of Thrones (season 1)' without having to go through GTC again, once the soundtrack article is brought to GA? Jclemens (talk) 17:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Jclemens What you propose seems fair; however, I'm not familiar with what the process is to rename a topic. Perhaps someone with more familiarity could chime in on the subject? --haha169 (talk) 00:32, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's up to GamerPro64 and company. There's no particular encyclopedic limitation on renaming a topic, as they exist primarily within the GT/FT framework. Jclemens (talk) 06:12, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support renamed topic 'Game of Thrones (season 1) episodes', to be speedily renamed to 'Game of Thrones (season 1)' if and when the soundtrack is brought to GA. --haha169 (talk) 16:02, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the Soundtrack GA review has been picked up and I will be addressing the identified issues over the next few days. Jclemens (talk) 04:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And the Soundtrack has been promoted to GA, so I am including it mid-nomination to resolve a couple of the objections noted above. Jclemens (talk) 22:15, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support all articles look good and with the soundtrack now included the topic is complete. Great job! (small note: there's actually 12 articles now not 11) - Brojam (talk) 05:39, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, thanks. Jclemens (talk) 14:17, 19 March 2017 (UTC) [reply]
Support with the inclusion of the soundtrack! --haha169 (talk) 07:07, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support everything looks good and ready to go with this. Congrats to everyone who worked on these articles. Aoba47 (talk) 15:30, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks great, especially with the new article addition. @Juhachi and GamerPro64: I can see no reason why this could not be passed today, it has been three months and the nominator addressed the concerns of the voters. Kees08 (talk) 02:50, 11 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic. - GamerPro64 01:25, 19 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]