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SS Princess Alice (1865)

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SS Princess Alice (1865)

Request

Hi, I'd like a map showing the path of the SS Princess Alice (1865) on her final journey down the Thames before sinking after being hit by a larger ship.

The route it took was:

• Sheerness, Kent (51.445450, 0.744501),
• Rosherville Gardens (51.445815, 0.350717)

Then the collision at 51.510540, 0.090150 If the following other points could also be marked – these were the places it was due to land:

• North Woolwich, (51.497687, 0.060418)
• Blackwall, (51.506944,-0.003333)
• Swan Pier, near London Bridge, (51.508900, -0.088880)

Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

 Request taken by Goran tek-en (talk) 18:26, 1 March 2019 (UTC).

@SchroCat: Draft for you to check. I have added some things you didn't ask for so just tell me what to remove, edit, add or what ever, thanks. Please ping me. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Cool little icon of the boats :) ——SerialNumber54129 20:20, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

What about showing the outward journey too? ——SerialNumber54129 20:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Goran tek-en: Just a point of order—and as you see above I think it's a great piece of work—but at the moment you've got what appears to be a channel dissecting the Isle of Dogs from Blackwall. The map that SC gave you—("bad Zute"!!) blurs at that level of detail, so it's understandable, but it's actually a system of docks, locks and basins rather than a channel. See, for example, this map from the previous decade; they're rather like a turned capital H. It might not seem important, but at the moment I think the map encourages the reader to ask why the ship didn't take apparant the short cut. Cheers, ——SerialNumber54129 20:37, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129: @SchroCat: Can you join this discussion as you are the requester and I need your feedback, thanks. Draft 2.

As mostly always I have zero knowledge on the subject I draw a map for so I highly appreciate all knowledge and information I can get, so thank you. I have looked at this map but I'm not really sure if this is exactly from 1865. On that map it looks like a channel of some type. If you are sure your linked map is the most correct I will of course change it, it is important for me too, so just give me a replay here, thanks.

You wrote "What about showing the outward journey too?". To my understanding this was a route it traveled back and forth on a time schedule so what do you mean. Having two lines or what? --Goran tek-en (talk) 10:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Yes, will so shortly. I was out last night and I’m only on my phone at the moment, so can’t really see the image properly. I’ll be at a computer soon. - SchroCat (talk) 10:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Goran tek-en, Neither of the drafts are present at the moment. - SchroCat (talk) 11:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@SchroCat: Sorry my mistake. Draft 2. --Goran tek-en (talk) 12:11, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I like it. I'd also thought of having the route out, but with the length of journey meaning it's quite a large scale map, I think it would be too confusing to have the second route (pretty much identical), so I think the arrows and dotted line do the job well enough. I've seen a few maps with the docks simplified to just a straight bar across, and as this is before the Albert Docks were built we're only missing out the West India dock. It's not meant to be a perfect representation of London, so I'm happy to go with this as the one for what should hopefully be a Featured Article. Cheers for all your work on this Goran. - SchroCat (talk) 12:32, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Suggest removing the channel completely then, since after all, no other inland landmarks are shown, and the Thames's meander is visually sufficiently iconic that it doesn't need the docks shown at all. ——SerialNumber54129 12:40, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

That would work equally well. Is that possible Goran? Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 12:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@SchroCat:@Serial Number 54129: Draft 3. --Goran tek-en (talk) 13:10, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Excellent - I like it. - SchroCat (talk) 13:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Me too. Nice one, both  :) bit gutted I can't now randomly turn up and oppose on the grounds that "SC has invented a river" :D thanks Goran tek-en for your work and SchroCat for theirs! ——SerialNumber54129 14:12, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

On Wiki I can move mountains and create worlds... before I'm reverted for vandalism! - SchroCat (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@SchroCat: I will need the following;

• Name of the file
• Description
• Category/ies at commons
  

to be able to upload it at commons. --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

• Name

Final route of the SS Princess Alice.jpg

• Description

The route of the SS Princess Alice, showing the position she sank

• Cats:

Category:Princess Alice (ship, 1865)

Category:Maps of the River Thames

Cheers Goran - I'm much obliged for our work on this. Many thanks - SchroCat (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@SchroCat: Now you can find it here Commons:file:Final route of the SS Princess Alice.svg. If you are happy with this please put the code {{tl|resolved|1=~~~~}} on this request so it can be archived, thanks.  Done --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

PNG renderer doesn't handle the coloring order correctly

Cross-posting here in case someone knows the answer – or have seen this before: Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Illustration_workshop#PNG_renderer_doesn't_handle_the_coloring_order_correctly. cherkash (talk) 03:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Egypt and Sudan

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  Map of Egypt and Sudan, with special attention to the territorial dispute in the eastern section of their border

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Four articles at en:wp, plus twenty-seven articles at nineteen other projects (seventeen Wikipedias and two Wikivoyages)

Request

The stripes on this map make it hard on the eyes, and the boundaries of Egyptian governorates and Sudanese states are much harder to see. Could you replace the stripes with a solid background of identical colors, and replace the Hala'ib Triangle double striping with a solid purple or green? (My colorblindness makes it hard to tell which is current; just please use the current color) And please be careful to leave Bir Tawil at its current white. Thank you. -- Nyttend (talk) 12:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

@Nyttend:  Done. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 12:58, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thank you, and yes that's much easier. Nyttend (talk) 13:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

@Nyttend: I put in the striping to help colour-blind people who can't distinguish yellow from blue, so was surprised to read that solid colour is better. Is this universal? Ta, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 10:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Blue-yellow colorblindness is a good deal rarer than red-green colorblindness, and blue-yellow is as strange to me as red-green is to normal people, so I can't give you a solid answer on what they perceive. While the stripes make it distinguishable at full resolution, they make the governorate/state boundaries much harder to see, and you won't see the stripes at lower resolutions; either they're not noticeable at all, or they make the image look "fuzzy" and reduce its perceived quality without improving visibility for someone who can't see the colors. If you're concerned about blue-yellow, I think a better option is changing the darkness of the different regions, since even a totally colorblind person would see the four regions as four different (and thus distinguishable) shades of grey. Nyttend (talk) 12:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Un-archiving this, since cmglee wanted to reopen the discussion. Nyttend (talk) 12:26, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Commonwealth Games Map

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Commonwealth Games

Request

Alright, with the conclusion of the 2018 Commonwealth Games last year, the above map could do with a few changes:

1) Gambia rejoined the CoN in March 2018 and participated in last year's Games, hence it should be changed back to red.

2) The city of Birmingham, England, is set to host the next Games in 2022, and thus should be marked as such.

3) Given that the city of Durban, South Africa, is no longer scheduled to host the 2022 Games, the marker for the city should be removed from the map, and South Africa itself changed from purple back to red, as it no longer qualifies as a country that has hosted or plans to host the Games (after all, Montreal and Cardiff were scheduled to host the cancelled 1942 and 1946 Games respectively, and yet neither are marked as such, hence Durban shouldn't be either).

Thanks. Snow Lion Fenian (talk) 14:46, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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