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Random idea

First off, i understand that this idea is most likely not executable due to the technical challenges involved with it, but just for the sakes of creativity (Or maybe a good laugh) ill post it anyway.

One of the big limitations i always encountered during vandalism patrol, is that if more users are helping only very marginal speed gains are accomplished. This is mostly due to the fact that each and every user will check the same edit, no matter how many people have already ignored it as being ok. Huggle itself seems to be able to filter reverts from trusted user out, but can't do the same for edits where no action has to be taken.

What if huggle was grid computing based? If Huggle would have a main server which sends out the same edit only 2-3x for several active patrol to check, it means that the other hugglers don't have to focus their attention on those edits. Of course 100 users checking 1 edit is more reliable, but if there isn't any detected vandalism with 3 people, there won't be much change in detection misses.

As i said its probably technically and time-wise impossible, but maybe its a usuable idea on some other level :) Excirial ^{(Talk,Contribs)} 13:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Highly unlikely: I think VandalProof manages that, no idea how they do it :( And it'll completely mess up the "All changes" queue selection, slow down huggle considerably, etc etc. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

What happened here?

Resolved

Half the names were removed from the User list by this edit: [1]. I was among those removed and was wondering if there was any particular reason. This confused me. Spencer^T♦C 21:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

See here, it's been discussed before. It's nothing too drastic as your name will be added back to the list automatically next time you log into the program. On inspection of the current edition, your name is back so, no problems :) ——RyanLupin • (talk) 21:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Not constructive, but is it "vandalism"?

A few times I have used Huggle to revert unexplained removal of content or obvious POV and using the handy warnings provided by Huggle. What started bugging me however, is that while such edits are non constructive, they're not necessarily "vandalism". They may even be good faith edits by new editors unfamiliar with the rules. A good example is in the recent history of Curry. (this diff for example. Wasn't done by huggle but native rollback was used)

My question is, are we technically violating the rules for using the rollback feature by making such reverts if the edits are not vandalism? (or am I just "wikilayering")? Another issue is should the warnings for such edits be "leveled" warnings?--Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd be careful when Huggling, there are some admins who despise Huggle and will always find ways to degrade it. So if you come across an edit that you're only 95% sure is vandalism, don't revert :) ——RyanLupin • (talk) 09:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I've reverted edits that weren't vandalism before with Huggle and I'd do it again. I'm not going to waste my time opening the page in the browser for no reason, if anyone has a problem with it I couldn't possibly care less. There is no policy against doing so. Second, the reason roll-back is not to be used on non-vandalism edits is due to the lack of an edit summary. Reverting any potentially good faith edit without an edit summary or explanation on the talk page is only somewhat less of a policy violation only because people consider roll-back to be especially bitey. If you're using an edit summary, then you're not violating any policy I am aware of. Unexplained removal of content though is always reverted, and use of an edit summary beyond the default is unnecessary because the reason should be obvious to anyone looking, and if you issue the proper warning to the perpetrator then they'll know the reason too. And warnings should always fit the nature of the edit you are issuing the warning about. The first level warnings are issued when you're assuming good faith, so yes that is appropriate. On a side note, for that reason it isn't necessary to use first level warnings at all on cases of obvious vandalism, because there is no good faith reason to replace a page with "poop". I usually never use them except for page blankings and content removal unless I'm using Huggle; overriding the default warning in Huggle takes too long.--Dycedarg ж 20:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Not that it really helps, but there are several scripts that allow you to change the summary in rollbacks, then it could be used more quickly for reverting non-vandalism things. I use it quite a lot. - tholly ^--Turnip-- 16:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

You can write your own edit summaries in huggle - just open up the drop-down revert menu, and click "Other summary..." - I don't think it currently works though... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure it works, I use that feature all the time. – ukexpat (talk) 00:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

← Oh? I thought it was currently broken in 0.7.11 ? It works in the current dev version (0.7.12.88) though, that's for sure. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It works sometimes just not always. We are hoping to get the new huggle version out soon. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Posting below redirects

Huggle should always follow redirects when posting to User talk: pages. (E.g., this.) Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 08:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

What if a vandal got the idea to redirect his talk page to that of an inactive user? --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

We'd block the vandal for disruption? --MZMcBride (talk) 16:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Eventually yes. But if he did do this then instead of escalated warnings followed by an AIV report, level one warnings would build up on some innocent shmoe's talkpage and he could do a lot of damage before someone realizes what's going on. If huggle does this, then it should only do it for autoconfirmed users. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we will implement this because of the huge holes that it would create. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Editing in Huggle

When pressing the edit button in Huggle, could it go to where the last edit was made. If the user made a capitalization or spelling mistake it would be much easier to correct if the edit app opened to where the last edit on the diff was. This would be especially helpful on long articles.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 13:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, I second that. It would be great if it is achievable. Not that Huggle isn't brilliant as it is, of course. --bodnotbod (talk) 15:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Either that, or at least add a search function. StaticGull  Talk  15:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Search will be implemented at some point. I have to do cut/copy/paste and undo/redo first... :/ -- Gurch (talk) 17:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

cut/copy/paste and undo/redo is not done yet but there is now also a replace function. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Infact what Am I saying, I think its all done ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

My two cents

I'd like an option to have the changes list (the large article list on the left) be relocated to the right of the application. My eyes are focused on the right column looking for changes, and by having the list on the right I can easily read what the warning levels are for upcoming articles.

I'd also like an option to automatically trim articles in the queue. I know there is a trim function now, but being able to have it repeat every so often automatically would help when Wikipedia gets busy.

Also, whenever I update my options, Huggle fails to write them to my configuration page. I have to keep changing them back every time I open Huggle. Might be something specific to my account. tj9991 (talk) 16:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Good suggestions. I have the same config trouble: when I exit, the 'saving settings' thing comes up, but then comes up with an error saying it can't change them because I am not logged in - which I still am in Firfox (it saves my password anyway). - tholly ^--Turnip-- 16:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I will see what I can do ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added it to the todo list, Should be easy enough to implement. Watch the google code report here to see how its going. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

New pages

The new page feature doesn't work for me in Huggle, nor has it ever worked for me. Is this just my computer or does it work for some of you. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 16:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi there. Can you give us any more details? This seems to be working for everyone else. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Mishuggle

My new word for a revert on something that first looks like vandalism but turns out not to be, such as this...

Mishuggle

It turns out that all these profanities are the actual lyrics to the song which means that this was probably a good faith edit. Probably should have been reverted due to copyright issues but not as vandalism. I apologized to the editor.--Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately the page has now been deleted, so I cannot see the revision to which you refer. Users reverting revisions that aren't vandalism is, sadly, not something that is easily addressable in the software – Huggle itself does not know whether the edit is vandalism or not, it is up to the user to determine that -- Gurch (talk) 09:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect password

Every time I tried to login I get "incorrect password", even though I can login with the exact same password using Firefox. I've tried 20 times. Any suggestions? --wj32 ^t/c 01:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

When you enter an incorrect password a few times in the browser, you are presented with a capcha for further attempts. Perhaps this is happening with huggle which probably doesn't know how to handle capchas so it continues to throw up "incorrect password" for any reason login fails.

Wait a while, clear your cookies in Internet Explorer, (not Firefox) and try again.--Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Nope, doesn't work. And I don't think it uses cookies... I tried entering a wrong password in IE several times until it displayed the captcha. Then I cleared all my cookies and entered an incorrect password again. Still displayed the captcha. --wj32 ^t/c 01:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

And Huggle does handle Captchas. --wj32 ^t/c 04:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, I got the source code and debugged it, turns out that when it sends the login request Wikipedia is returning a login form, which Huggle interprets as a failed login. If I login with Firefox and get the Set-Cookie header using Tamper Data and paste that into the variable in Huggle, it logs in fine. Except I can't warn people. --wj32 ^t/c 01:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I can confirm I am getting this error as well. 220.245.180.135 (talk) 11:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC).

I am the user above, and I am still getting this. I can enter the correct password through my browser and get in. I also tried entering an incorrect password, and I wasn't presented at all with a captcha, so maybe the server-side code has changed? Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 03:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC).

You don't need to enter a captcha until after the 2nd incorrect password (3rd try, in other words). Captcha and log in still works for me. Sorry, but there really isn't anything to do until Gurch comes back and miraculously fixes it :( Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 04:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Great, I've fixed it. I hacked the source code to accept a cookie value as well, and you just paste your Set-Cookie header in and it logs in. I can also warn users now, by using a local squid proxy. --wj32 ^t/c 08:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

User classification

How is it determined if a user is trusted, anonymous, reverted, or other? Becky Sayles (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

A user will be added to the white list after the user has had 500 edits. To use huggle you must have rollback and be autoconfirmed. I think this is what you mean. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

How is it determined for the queue coloring/symbols? Look at the code... :) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh if thats what you want to know i can explain also :> ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I was unclear on. What code? I tried searching for "trusted user" and couldn't find anything. thanks. Becky Sayles (talk) 17:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Search for whitelist and ignore. That should find you something. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

New Pages

When I do New Page patrol with Huggle, my sessions usually end with Huggle displaying back and forth two pages in a sequence so rapid that I am unable to tag either one of them (like four times each per second). The only way to stop this is to shut down the program. That sometimes means speedable pages remain lingering. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 00:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

This also often happens to me. Unfortunately we still do not have a clue why it does keep happening. One way I have found to lessen your chances of it happening is to go through the pages slower, (don't click space so many times) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Problem still there

I'm still having this problem, and recently I got this message from Microsoft .NET Framework when I tried to log in: 'Object reference not set to an instance of an object'. I tried downloading huggle again and I also reinstalled .NET framework (and did everything else I could think of) but the problem is still there. Is some other software in my computer preventing huggle from operating properly or what is the problem? And by the way, am I the only one who has had this problem so far? Chamal ^Talk 13:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I can log in just fine. – ukexpat (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

INTRO = Cancel?

Hi. When I open the page deletion dialog, I get a box to write the reason, and two buttons. Well, when I write the reason and press Intro in my keyboard, the dialog closes but the page doesn't get erased. I have to click the OK button in order to delete it. It is possible to make the OK button the default one? --Racso (talk) 19:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete should be the default... might be some language problems... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Can't log in

I have installed Huggle, but when I try to log in it says "Use of Huggle requires rollback". What does this mean? --Theleftorium (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback is required to operate huggle which may be requested here ——RyanLupin • (talk) 13:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Until then, you could try using version 0.7.9 or lower. StaticGull  Talk  11:50, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The rollback only is enforced on all of the newest versions of huggle. Also the older versions are no longer enabled. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 11:51, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

New pages

Among the list of warnings for users, one should be able to find {{uw-create}} and {{uw-speedy}}. As it is now, they have to be entered manually. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 15:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, {{uw-create}} should be automatic in cases of recreation of the same article when tagged again (one way to know is if the creator has a CSD notification about the article that is older than the article itself), or in cases of the same user creating several speedable pages. --Blanchardb-^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}-timed 15:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

These warnings can be added manually in huggle. The default list cant get to big. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Keyboard shortcuts

It seems that, for me, the keyboard shortcuts only work intermittently. Any reason for this? Someguy1221 (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, if you give focus to the browser window (where the diff is being shown) or the window shell, the keyboard shortcuts don't work. Bringing focus back to the application should fix it (just click something, or resize the log at the bottom). We're working on a fix for the problem. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Windows only?

I'm just wondering, as I'm a Mac user, but why is the program(I'm not a programmer btw) only able to work on PCs? Is a Mac version possible at all?— Dædαlus ^Contribs /_Improve 10:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It runs using the .NET Framework, which is proprietary software from Microsoft. There is Mono, which is a copycat of .NET Framework for Linux/Mac, but it lacks support for System.Forms.WebBrowser or something like that, which Huggle uses to display diffs --> Gurch has said that he could modify it to work under Mono, but you wouldn't be able to see the diffs (making the entire thing useless...) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 15:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What would be nice is a huggle-like program written in Java or XUL using the Gecko engine to render the diffs. This could be adopted to Windows, Linux, or Mac.--Ron Ritzman (talk) 20:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What would be nicer is have the Mono team hurry up and implement System.Windows.Forms.WebBrowser in Mono... attempting to translate the code into Java would be difficult at best, and would require someone with good knowledge of both VB.NET and Java, which would be unlikely, as they are pretty different. You'd also have to keep updating the other version as new features/bug-fixes are applied to the original... and other complicated things. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Getting it to C# wouldnt be too difficult (can almost be done automatedly). Then c# isn't too farfetched from java. Very similar syntax and such. The GUI would have to be remade, etc and retied in.

Waiting on MONO && WINE will bring about many more applications to !Windows. Both AWB and NPW are subject to the same limitations. The browser is mainly implemented, its just a few elements and specifics that are missing —Reedy 00:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Last I checked it wasn't possible to set WebBrowser's DocumentText property in Mono, which is something of a deal-breaker; the actual "browsing" capability of the web browser control isn't used in Huggle, it is merely used to render HTML that Huggle has already fetched -- Gurch (talk) 09:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's a problem: [2]: You can see the whole list of windows only forms, and you can see why webbrowser isn't ported yet. Soxπed93^(blag) 00:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The only problem with conversion to C# is that System.Forms.WebBrowser or whatever is .NET-only. A conversion to Java, C#, XUL, or whatever would require a dramatic change in coding, like to use Gecko to render the diffs. However, that is unlikely to happen, unless someone wants to try? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

C# is a .NET language, so conversion would be easy (only a case of changing the syntax; the libraries are identical). I prefer VB.NET though -- Gurch (talk) 09:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Tbh, i dont really think its worth the effort to do it. Mono-project site is down for me atm. All the browser is actually doing is displaying the text, IIRC from gurch said, MW does the diff's, then huggle just displays it. —Reedy 08:35, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

If it was only a case of displaying diffs, it might be possible to make something to display them without using HTML (though it would mean a lot of coding to do a half-baked job of reproducing functionality that is already there) but since it's necessary to be able to view pages too, short of writing an HTML rendering engine there's no way to avoid using a web browser control of some sort -- Gurch (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Pages get stuck

sometimes, when i use huggle, the pages get stuck. is this normal, or a bug in the system. If it is a bug, maybe someone could help fix it. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 14:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "get stuck"? You can't switch to another page? -- Gurch (talk) 09:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm having the same issue. It will hang on the same page (as much as over a minute sometime). I do think that it might have to do with Wikipedia server lag, and not really a huggle issue. Ndenison ^talk 21:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Repeated Failed warnings/reports

When reporting or warning someone, the edit might fail, or it says "retrying in 3 seconds". after three seconds, the same thing still happens. Montgomery' 39 (talk) 14:28, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Try the latest version and see if it now works. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving pages

It seems that Huggle won't allow you to move a page unless you add a space behind the proposed new page name. StaticGull  Talk  16:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Fixed in r111. Soxπed93^(blag) 22:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! StaticGull  Talk  11:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Bug

(snipped ArgumentOutOfRangeException in huggle.Main.Configure)

This occurs when you have the Revertion 'tab' open in the options screen and clicking Ok. Q ^{T C} 02:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

After this error, the revert this revision menu can either be missing entries or have duplicate ones.

This is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 10:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Not making use of my admin rollback?

I've just started using Huggle and I'm quite impressed... a far cry from CDVF back in the day. However, it doesn't seem to be making use of the fact that I am an admin and thus have rollback abilities. Do I need to grant myself the rollback flag in order to make Huggle realise and start making use of them? 'Use rollback if available' is ticked in my configuration. —Sean Whitton / 16:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can see, it is using rollback for your reversions. Have you seen anything to suggest otherwise? -- Gurch (talk) 17:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Do correct me if I'm wrong, but surely if it is using rollback it can't change the edit summary, and thus I wouldn't see (HG) at the end of each one? I don't mind (and in fact appreciate) this notification on edit summaries, but I'm not sure how it can display that whilst using rollback. Unless MediaWiki has changed since I last checked in this regard. —Sean Whitton / 18:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I think a summary can be optionally set when the call is made by Huggle to revert. See the Mediawiki software page. Cheers, Alex Muller 19:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No, the editing API is (still) not enabled here, so it can't use that. However action=rollback through index.php has accepted a "summary" parameter for some time and Huggle uses this -- Gurch (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

For example, click http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Huggle/Sandbox&action=rollback&from=Calvin+1998&token=6d761b2b885c4754e3a00d0b7d83b0da%2B%5C&summary=Test_rollback_summary!, and it'll rollback with the edit summary specified in the URL (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Huggle/Sandbox&action=rollback&from=Calvin+1998&token=6d761b2b885c4754e3a00d0b7d83b0da%2B%5C&summary=Test_rollback_summary!)

Thanks for the info. Useful to know. —Sean Whitton / 12:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

"Your user account has been logged out. You may need to restart Huggle in order to edit."

I get this every time I close Huggle. How can I fix it? Gary King (talk) 17:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I see this as well. Could it be a Firefox/IE issue? (I'm wondering because Huggle seems to lauch IE for some links, and on my system I don't use IE to log in to Wikipedia.) --Ckatz^chat_spy 19:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

That's a possibility; I use Firefox as my default browser. Gary King (talk) 20:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so: huggle uses Special:Userlogin to log in, and I'm pretty sure that it logs you back in if you get logged out... and you get this when you close huggle?? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

huh? Whitelist?

I haven't been keeping up with Huggle lately, and I haven't used it in months. Tonight, I downloaded the newest version and began to use it. Edits by User:Caspian blue and User:Gary King began showing up for me. ???? Gary King has many thousands of edits. What's going on with the whitelist? Enigma ^message 05:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Same just happened with User:Good Olfactory, who is running a successful campaign for adminship. I'm manually ignoring each one. Enigma ^message 05:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Huggle seems to be going wack and removing people from the whitelist/not adding them lately. Try using the cutting-edge latest version from the Google Code Subversion here (requires a Subversion client and Microsoft Visual Studio to compile it. Or you can have me email you a pre-compiled one), it'll probably work better. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I had downloaded 0.7.11 from Google. I'll send you an e-mail. Thanks Enigma ^message 22:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll looking to white list problem. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 06:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Fixed in next version. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 11:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Anonymous IPs

Why are anonymous IPs allowed to use Huggle? It's a deadly tool in the hands of the wrong people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.233.28 (talk • contribs)

They're not. If you don't have rollback, you can't use it. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

If you are referring to anonymous user 98.192.44.39, he just used the undo function. StaticGull  Talk  12:13, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Delayed Huggle actions

As an unfortunate side-effect of Huggle's efficientness, I sometimes make a mistake and hit the Revert button on a good edit. By the time I realize that I shouldn't have done it, the server is already processing the reversion and it's too late to stop it by hitting the Escape button. Afterwards, I have to use Twinkle's "Undo recent actions" feature to revert myself. It seems to me that many of these mistakes could be stopped by adding a delay of a few seconds between the user pressing the Revert button and Huggle sending the request to the server (or however that works). This delay could be changed or turned off in a user's preferences. During the delay, if the user presses "Cancel all pending actions", Huggle will actually do cancel them. — Insanity Incarnate 19:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Use the "Undo" button in Huggle, and don't go so fast :) --> nobody's going to agree to a delay, as that would delay reverting actual vandalism. As the disclaimers suggest, you're responsible for the accuracy of your reverts and that you go at a reasonable speed. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

We will definalty not slow huggle down :P Please use care while editing with it. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Hugglers not using edit summaries

Hello all. Must admit to getting slightly frustrated with fellow hugglers today who just hit the "revert and warn" button for everything, be it vandalism, unexplained removal of content, removal of csd/AfD templates, unsourced information, mistakes made in wiki markup, even edits for which good faith can quite reasonably be assumed. I've seen a number of editors today have their edits reverted, been slapped with a vandalism warning and not have any idea why. This often leads to re-posts of the same material with edit summaries such as "I don't know why this was removed". Inevitably these then get reverted and another warning issued and within half an hour the user is scared off. I know the other revert edit summaries aren't working properly yet but the custom one does work, though very few editors seem to use it. Lost count of the number of times I was half way through a custom edit summary explaining my revert and then see another editor just hit the revert and warn button. Is there anyway to strongly encourage huggle users to slow down a little and use the custom edit summary button? Anyway to message users? This is the sort of thing that turns people and admins off Huggle. Sorry to moan at all you wonderful people!! Avnjay^Talk 20:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I think Addshore was working on a announcement banner that would display on everyone's huggle interface with recent news and announcements. This would be an ideal way of messaging users on a global scale. I also think the other edit summaries that aren't currently working properly need fixing ——RyanLupin • (talk) 20:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Aye that would be perfect, writing on every Huggle user's talk page might take a while! Hoping that the "fixed custom edit summaries problem" listed in the version 12 change log is going to sort out the other edit summary problem. Avnjay^Talk 20:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't use the "revert and warn" button anymore. I use the revert button and then pick the warning most suitable to the edit. A custom edit summary would be ideal but as long as the "warning" fits the edit, it's not that big of a deal.

Come to think of it, perhaps the "revert and warn" button should just be removed and replaced with a "revert good faith" button like twinkle has for use on edits one is 100% certain are not vandalism but nevertheless need reverting. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Anyone who is reverting obvious good faith as vandalism should have their rollback rights removed, if you see anyone doing this leave me a message or post to ani. Huggle is a powerful tool and it must be used appropriately --Chris 04:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea to remove the revert and warn button as it makes it just too easy to issue a vandalism warning for every edit. There are certainly enough Hugglers that a couple of seconds longer per revert wouldn't reduce the anti-vandalism power exercised! And maybe a nice brightly coloured bar scrolling across your screen saying "Use Edit Summaries!" might get people's attention! Avnjay^Talk 17:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. Making things easy is Huggle's job, we do not want to be moving in the opposite direction. We should target Huggle users who are not using the tool appropriately not target the functions of the tool. --bodnotbod (talk) 11:18, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree it is not the programs fault but the users responsibility. Anyone misusing huggle should be reported to the administrators and risk having huggle removed from their account. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Huggle is a tool, the responsibility for edits and what edit summary to use, etc., are the user's. The revert-warn button is a key feature, I doubt it will ever be removed. For normal vandalism, reverting with a custom edit summary and then forcing to user to write or choose a custom warning, is, in my opinion, unnecessary. The sole reason for Huggle's popularity is it's speed and efficiency. If an edit isn't normal vandalism, and deserves a custom edit summary, then the user should take the time to do so, but most vandalism doesn't require that. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 19:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, point well made! However, this brings us right back to the beginning "Hugglers not using edit summaries" - users often aren't taking the time to use the custom edit summaries. Is there some way we can actively encourage them to do so (without just reporting them for rollback rights removal)? I know we can leave messages on talk pages, which I have been doing, but given the number of Hugglers and the rate it is growing this would take a while, and of course relies on someone spotting a foul huggle edit. (We might get to the situation where we need a Huggle-like program to vet all the edits made by Huggle, ;) but then of course who is checking up on those checking up on Hugglers, and who is checking up on ... ) I think people probably just need a strong encouragement rather than anything more serious. Avnjay^Talk 21:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

That's why we're making that message-bar : currently there is no way to mass-notify Huggle users. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

As a side note, I just removed a huggle user's access, and warned another for revert/warning to ADD unsourced BLP content back in (unacceptable under ANY circumstance) and disruptively reverting good faith edits. If you're using Huggle you better damn well know our policies -- with great power comes great responsibility. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 06:26, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The second person was me I'm afraid. What I saw was an entire section of an article being removed without an edit summary so I reverted it WITH a custom edit summary. I'm sorry that the section turned out to be a BLP violation but like I already mentioned, I wouldn't have touched the edit if it had an edit summary. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 11:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

"Blocked From Editing"

Resolved

 – fixed in 0.7.12 Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:36, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

When I sign into huggle, it says my account has been "blocked from editing" and "you may need to restart huggle to edit pages". Huggle proceeds to start but I can't edit or warn. My account is not blocked (obviously). Whats wrong? Washburnmav (talk) 23:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Somehow Huggle thought you were blocked, because it noticed Mediawiki:Blockedtext on the edit page, somehow. I believe it looks for the id="mw-blocked-text" div, and assumes that if it sees it on the edit page, you are blocked. A restart of Huggle fixes it, right? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It said I was blocked from editing when I did a revert, and the vandal was blocked before they were warned. Spencer^T♦C 01:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... alright. I'll file a bug report and see if Gurch can sort this out. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:59, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe that it looks for the permissions-errors id. Here's the code: ElseIf Result.Contains("<div class=""permissions-errors"">") Then. Then, it goes to the function that says "You have been blocked." I'm not sure why you get this error, though. Soxπed93^(blag) 21:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I think I found the problem. You might be getting an unknown error, but because it gives the same permissions problem, then it recognizes it as a block. I'll change this to make sure it looks for the correct ID. Soxπed93^(blag) 22:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Finished, now I just need dev access to commit it. Soxπed93^(blag) 23:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Email User:Addshore for commit access. You have a Google account, right? You'll need one. Oh, and the problem seems to be at [3] (regex simply looks for 'mw-' instead of 'mw-blocked-text'), what did you change? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

That function, as its name suggests, is used to check that a page is a wiki page (if it isn't, when one was expected, it assumes something went wrong), not whether the user has been blocked -- Gurch (talk) 09:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to seem redundant, but this still hasn't solved my issue. I have this problem on one computer, and not the other, despite the fact that I am using the same account on both. It still maintains that I have been blocked from editing. Washburnmav (talk) 21:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I just committed it a few seconds ago. However, as it is not compiled yet, you may have to download Visual Basic 2008 Express from microsoft.com, and compile it yourself. Soxπed93^(blag) 21:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Erm, actually, using non-stable versions of Huggle isn't recommended, but you can test it and see if it works. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

But if it's a problem that stops the use, using an unstable version might be better. Soxπed93^(blag) 22:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

As such, I have created an unstable build here. Hope this helps. Soxπed93^(blag) 23:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

It actually is pretty stable, it just isn't released yet :) - and thanks for the build, I lost access to my copy of SVN and VS2008 :( Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little clueless with this stuff, your unnstable build link isn't openin for me, and I wouldn't know how to compile it anywho. Some tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 00:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Reedy (I think) moved it, the new location is here. Soxπed93^(blag) 00:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and now i've removed it completely. IT was causing problems for Addshore, and the SVN isnt really the best place to keep copies of exe's —Reedy 10:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

That's all good to know, but the fact is I still can't use Huggle and nothing here has helped. It says I'm blocked from editing. Can this be addressed or I am a hopeless case? Washburnmav (talk) 21:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The next version of Huggle will be released within the next few days -- Gurch (talk) 22:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Next version now released. Please see the main huggle page for details. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Won't let me download

Resolved

 – huggle requires .NET 2.0 and will return error messages if you don't have it. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I tried installing Huggle to my computer. Something about needing a network pops up whenever I try to use it. What should I do about this problem? Hmrox (talk) 02:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

We need the full error message to help you. Although from the sound of it, the problem is on your side. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It says

To run the following application you must have one of the following versions of the .NET Framework v2.50727 Contact your application publisher for instructions about obtaining the appropriate versions of the .NET Framework. Hmrox (talk) 03:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

That means you don't have the required version of the .NET Framework, the framework that huggle uses. Download the required version and it should work. This is assuming that your computer runs Windows 2000 or XP. If you're running Vista and you have this problem... well, that's another problem. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

.NET 2.0 SP 1 (along with 3.0 SP 1) should be installed automatically with .NET 3.5. StaticGull  Talk  14:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

As stated on Wikipedia:Huggle under "Requirements", .NET 2.0 is required and may be downloaded here -- Gurch (talk) 09:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Uw-create

Would it be possible to add on optional {{Subst:uw-createn}} to the list of Huggle warnings? StaticGull  Talk  13:03, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Those templates seem to be intended for notifying users that pages they made are about to be deleted. Huggle notifies the user when speedy tagging a page, so I'm not sure what use it would be to have them -- Gurch (talk) 13:54, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It's just that some user continuously keeps creating nonsense-pages. StaticGull  Talk  12:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I suppose for now you can manually report them to AIV after a while. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Gurch

[4] Enigma ^message 22:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It's happened before... I suppose we shall have to watch here and see whether he has truly left or not. I hope he hasn't... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

:-(. StaticGull  Talk  14:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

He's back [5] :) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to spoil your party :P but this isn't him back. This is him not quite left yet. I'm getting him to help fix the most major bugs with the current dev version before he goes. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

A warning to hugglers when reverting "unexplained removal of content".

With the exception of page blankings, if you see large amounts of text being removed from an article, before you click that big red button make absolutely sure that you are not reverting the removal of unsourced content from a BLP even if the edit in question doesn't have an edit summary. In many such cases, the content was properly removed by a new editor or an IP user who knows the content doesn't belong but doesn't yet know how to use edit summaries. It might even be the subject of the article himself.

I was warned for doing this earlier and another editor got his huggle access revoked. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Again, the responsibility for edits lays with the editor. It's not the developers' responsibility to prevent these unfortunate occurrences. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

This was a warning to other editors as this seemed to be the most relevant forum to talk to other hugglers. I was in no way suggesting anything for the developers to "fix". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 21:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, OK then. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Feature request

Resolved

 – feature available in 0.7.12 Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps an autotrim feature can be added? I'm temporarily running a desktop that has vista installed and it keeps freezing up when the queue gets too long. Perhaps an autotrim function where it can chop off revisions older than n minutes (not one time trim, one that it'd keep autotrimming by itself)? Thanks. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 19:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

It has been added to the Google Code bug-tracker. I suppose it might be implemented soon, or maybe not. Track this page for progress, etc. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, already implemented - that was fast ^_^ Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 21:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Yee I shoved it in front of gurchs eyes just before he left :) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 22:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

woot! Thanks! now...how do I implement my version to the latest revision? - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 08:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait until we release the next version :P. I'm hoping that It won't be long now. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 09:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

0.7.12, released several hours ago, has auto-trim feature available (under System > Options >> Queue). Currently I think you can set "minutes" to any positive integer, even though the arrows change the value by 5. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

G12

Would it be possible to have a prompt for a URL when tagging a page for a speedy G12? StaticGull  Talk  13:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes this has already been raised and is currently being worked on. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed in the next version ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes list bug

This is only a cosmetic bug, but the recent changes list is not expanding all the way to the bottom of its area. It's hard to expalain, so here's a screenshot. You can scroll the list, but it wont expand down. - Sorf^ane 07:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Just wondering which version are you / were you using? Is this the new version? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, this is the latest version 0.7.12. - Sorf^ane 09:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ill take a look. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 10:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. I cant seem to see whats wrong with this. Do you have the log enabled? Does this keep on happening? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 13:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It does not happen every time I start it up any more, it seems to be a random occurance now. And yes, the log is enabled. Also, it seems that if you hide and then show the queue, it fixes itself. - Sorf^ane 13:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Still I don't know why that happened but good to know it doesn't happen any more :) Probably just some random windows freaky thing :D ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 14:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

All that looks like is that the scrollbar is enabled but the queue is only 3/4 long... which shouldn't be happening. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 15:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeh the queue is anchored to the top and the bottom meaning it should be impossible to move :). So this must have just been some freaky thing but please tell us again if it happens again :) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Log In

{{resolved}} This is about the problem I reported earlier. Addshore advised me to download the new version. I got 0.7.12 now and it seems the problem has changed :) Instead of the earlier message, it now says "Failed to retrieve user rights". I do have rollback rights [6] or is this about something else? Is this maybe something to do with the underscore on my username? Its "Chamal_N". BTW, thanks for the effort you guys have been putting into this so far. Chamal ^Talk 06:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeh I was just thinking that it might be the underscore. Ill try to do some tests and stuff :P. Thanks for re reporting this! ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 07:58, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, have you tried logging in with a space instead of an _ ? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 09:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey it works!!! Can you believe it.... all I had to do was type space instead of the underscore. Stupid me... Thanks a lot for the idea, but thanks even more for all the effort you put into solving the problem earlier. Oh and sorry for the unnecessary bother :) Chamal ^Talk 11:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yay tis done :) I might try to make it so that _'s or spaces can be used. Thanks for your report. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 11:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

[7] - Underscores replaced with spaces in username —Reedy 19:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks reedy. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Reverting Reversions?

{{resolved}} Huggle seems to be reverting reverts already made to an article to remove vandalism, thus placing the vandalism back, under my name. How do I stop this? Ecopetition (talk) 00:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Whitelist the reverter you were reverting. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Also maybe slow down a bit :) The revert should appear in huggle and then just after you click revert :S. Causing you to revert them. Keep your eyes wide open :) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 09:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Feature request

It would be nice if "Show log" were one of our configurable options. I like having as much screen as possible to look at the diff so I uncheck "Show log" at the beginning of every session. --JaGa (talk) 04:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Godd idea. If this isnt already done I will do it, Added to google code bugs. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 09:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

This is fixed in the next version -- Gurch (talk) 17:41, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Custom templates

Is there any chance that there could be an option to use a custom template message, such as one created in the userspace, for reversions or messaging regarding page tags?

For example being able to assign a custom message to the various speedy deletion notification template messages to perhaps make them a little more personal?

Or even the option to assign a custom template to all possible template messages? BigHairRef | Talk 20:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll post a feature request, there isn't right now. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Failure to warn

{{resolved}} Every time with the new version of huggle, upon revert/warning a vandal with a level 4 warning, the bottom window simply displays "did not warn xxx because they already have a final warning" instead of prompting for an AIV report. Someguy1221 (talk) 07:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Your configuration is set not to prompt you to issue an AIV report :) . Set "report:" in your config to "prompt". Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Marked as resolved. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Crashes with new version

Hey. I used 0.7.11 just fine, but today it told me that my version was too old. So I downloaded and replaced it with 0.7.12. Now when I try to login, it goes until "Logging in..." or "Checking project configuration..." and then just dies. Alternatively it goes to "Checking global configuration page..." and then reports "Failed to load global configuration page". I suspected the firewall (I had to reinstall the OS a few days ago) but disabling it does not change the problem. I managed to login once after approx. 15 tries but I haven't been able to since then. What's wrong? Oo So#Why ^{review me!} 14:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you get any particular error message? We can't really help you based on the description of the error, in order to fix it, we also need to know exactly what needs fixing. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is no error message apart from the "Failed to load global configuration page" which I get some times. But usually there is none, it just shows the message "Logging in..." and then dies. I could only give you WinDbg-output but I doubt you could use that. Maybe someone could provide me with a debugging-build to record what the application does? So#Why ^{review me!} 17:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have a SVN client, you can SVN-checkout the code here, build it yourself, and run that through a debugger. Programming language is VB.NET, if that helps. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe I could but I have no idea what to do with the debugged information. I am not really good with such stuff, I had hoped someone maintaining Huggle could provide me with a version that would create a report itself... So#Why ^{review me!} 18:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

You could ask one of the developers (Addshore, Reedy, Soxred93), I'm not exactly a "developer" :/ Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm can you load the global config in a normal browser and is this still happening? Nothing has changed with the global config between the 2 versions so I cant really see why this is happening and You are also the first :S ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 19:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm...weird. It works now, I have tried it several times and it did not happen again. Sorry for bothering you, I will report back if it happens again. Thanks anyway and keep up the great job :-) So#Why ^{review me!} 19:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyhow, now that I've actually figured out what a debug-build actually is :P, I can tell you that you'd probably have to make your own from the source code SVN repository :( Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 20:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Having a debug build doesnt actually make it give you any more information. It just means that VS can debug the code easier, and online code editing and such can take place. Addshore, btw, you do know to do releases as "release" builds, dont you? —Reedy 22:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

As this now works the bug was probably due to a connection fault between you and the meta servers. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 20:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Self-warning

When tagging a page for deletion just before it actually gets deleted, this sometimes seems to happen. StaticGull  Talk  14:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Known bug. Currently listed here. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 15:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep up the good work :-). StaticGull  Talk  12:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks but remember the others helping :) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Huggle making a wierd noise

OK, here's a wierd question, why does viewing this diff, and this diff alone, cause a strange humming noise to come through my speakers? I navigate away from that page, goes away...navigate back to it, noise returns. I go to a different diff of that page, noise goes away, return to that diff...Wtf? Someguy1221 (talk) 04:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

That means your computer is about the explode. Sorry, had to say something. Ndenison ^talk 04:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps its your fans spinning up as Huggle's CPU usage increases. 71.63.168.62 (talk) 04:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I would say it's certainly not Huggle, I don't think it even has the ability to make a humming sound... and I couldn't reproduce it, so at first glance I would say it's probably your computer's problem. Does it still have that problem? Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 05:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Huggle is not configured to produce any sound whatsoever. I'd have to agree with the IP's guess; that it's the fans on your computer. Otherwise, I have no idea, unless it's Huggle saying "Feed me!" Enigma ^message 05:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Huggle actually does make sounds - if you increase your volume level, it becomes apparent that upon diff-views, various button-presses, etc., it makes this "click" sound. But actual sound like humming I don't think is possible to do without first making a sound file, and there's certainly no sound file in the source code. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 05:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes but those sounds are default sounds taken from IE ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure your not synaesthetic? - sorfane 08:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Lolz. StaticGull  Talk  12:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I've been messing with this, and I notice the humming is actually always there when huggle is running (and not when it's not running), and the volume is proportional to the size of the diff I'm viewing. And it's definately the speakers because I can get it through my headphones too....wierd. Someguy1221 (talk) 17:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It could be your soundcard. I have a crappy onboard soundcard and it makes an almost constant humming/buzzing sound which gets louder and softer depending on how intensely the CPU is working. Drives me nuts when I'm listening to quiet music. --Closedmouth (talk) 03:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Its not Huggle specifically. Cant tell you what it is, but i've noticed it too for some reason with some programs it has that hum... —Reedy 18:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Standard cleanup templates

I would like to have {{underconstruction}} added to the default list of cleanup templates. I use it a lot when on newpage patrol, when a new page is clearly speedable in its current state but there is hope that the creator will fix the problem pretty soon (e.g. "John Doe is a"). What this does is add the page to my contributions list without being bitey so that I can go back to it after I've closed Huggle. If the page has not been improved by then, I tag it for speedy. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 02:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Doing now, in WP:Huggle/Config. Soxπed93^(blag) 01:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Im guessing this is {{tl|resolved}} now ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Custom Messages

When I click "send template message to user" and then "other message" it allows me to use another message template, but doesn't save the message for future uses. Is there a way to save it for easily reusing? Ctjf83Talk 01:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, it's configurable using the Options window somewhere. Where exactly, I don't know :) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Well thanks to that, I found it...options, then templates..thanks Calvin! Ctjf83Talk 01:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Guessing this is done now. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Feature addition request: Link removal

This is more appropriate for AWB, but I thought to mention it here anyway. A function that allows you to go after spam links will be highly appreciated. expecially something in which you can enter a base URL and the software selects the entire entry and presents a single click option to delete or allow. ChiragPatnaik (talk) 10:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Err...yeah. Use AWB for that :) Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 23:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

New WP:HUG page?

I have created a redesign of WP:HUG at User:Soxred93/Huggle. Some differences include...

• Some info on how it works
• Some general rules
• List of supported wikis
• Guide on how to use it on separate page
• Split /Feedback into the talk page, /Bugs, and /Requests.
• Infobox
• Icons in header

What do people think of this new design? Soxπed93^(blag) 08:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I personally think /Bugs and /Requests (assuming that means feature requests) should be on the same page for organizational "keeping everything together" reasons, but other than that I think it's great. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

And what I said previously is almost exactly what Calvin said :P ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 08:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone else have anything to say about this? ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont

Hmm, yeah, I support making the talk-page a separate page from /Feedback. The guide could possibly be improved upon, and a cool addition would be an essay on the merits /pro & cons of Huggle. I personally think we should commit the improvements now and make changes as they are suggested. That's how a wiki works, after all. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 00:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why Bugs and Feedback need to be one page. It seems more organized to have general discussion, problems, and suggestions all on separate pages. Soxπed93^(blag) 01:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Because it saves the hassle of trying to classify things into 'bug', 'feature request' and 'other' -- Gurch (talk) 08:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Gurch, is there ANY particular reason you reverted the whole redesign? Soxπed93^(blag) 22:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, cut-paste page moves are bad, there is no need for more than one page for users to post stuff to (as you can guarantee if there's more than one things get posted to the wrong place), there is already a bug tracker, the latest development version is not suitable for actual use, and these are not userpages -- Gurch (talk) 23:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Where is the bug tracker? Right now, /Feedback is not much of a bug tracker, as just like a talk page. IMO, to be a bug tracker, it at least needs some sort of RESOLVED, WONTFIX standard. And as said other places, what's wrong with making it look pretty? I also think that reverting a version which had consensus without discussion was a little...well...unusual way of doing it... (can't think of a way to put this) Soxπed93^(blag) 23:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

By bug tracker he means the google code bug-tracker (http://code.google.com/p/huggle/issues/list). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 01:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Look, I've been putting every moment of my spare time and then some into trying to code this thing. The list of bug reports is little more than a list of "things Gurch has to do" and I simply don't have the time to do them all, let alone keep a bug tracker up to date. I've already had source control and a Google Code project thrown at me. If it gets fixed, it gets fixed and I will say so here -- Gurch (talk) 08:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Well what we are now left with one the pages looks like a bit of a change and looks slightly better so this is getting archived :) ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 07:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Profanity Indicator

Would there be a way to add a profanity indicator to the current revision squares? So if it finds that a user has added some profane language to a page, it will be displayed as the revision icon. - Sorf^ane 22:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

It's been brought up before... I think the main blockade would be that Huggle would have to retrieve the diff of each edit and then search it for a particular set of characters. It seems to be really intensive, both for you and the server. But I suppose it's possible (but Gurch is gone, so I don't know...). Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep the reason we didn't do this before was because it would mean loading every single edit made on wikipedia and checking for these words. We might be able to do something like this just for the preloaded diffs and then highlight the words in the diff though. Or so it only on a certain type of edit or something like that :). Your suggestions would be appreciated! ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 07:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I thought that may have been a problem. But if it looks through just the filtered changes, or even only the IP only changes in that list, it wouldn't be very intensive to "grep" through them, would it? - Sorf^ane 12:27, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Implementing this into the preloading process doesn't sound too bad... problem is, we don't need to know if there's profane language upon looking at the diff (basically useless, as we would instantly notice anyhow), we need to know while it's still in the queue --> so I suggest just adding it to the code which checks whether the page was blanked or not. But then we need a new blob, and I'm not sure how Gurch made the blobs... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

What language is Huggle written in? It'd be great to help the project if I can by trying to implement this - Sorf^ane 18:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

VB.NET Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 18:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I really should read a bit more..... But anyway, I'm off to find out how it works. - Sorf^ane 18:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I had a look and it seems that huggle finds out if pages are blanked or replaced etc with the edit summary, so to implement it would be a lot of work, for not much of a feature. - Sorf^ane 08:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

← Yeah, Gurch also originally opposed the idea (perhaps due to that reason, perhaps for performance reasons) when it was brought up before. Perhaps later... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 05:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I think for now this will be a no but maybe in the future if and when we dont have many bugs to fix. ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 07:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Got a hard time reverting

When I edited my preferences to show new pages on the recent changes list, new pages created, once opened, repeatedly appears at my screen. Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 10:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a known problem :( - and we don't know the cause. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there a way to fix it? Alexius08 is welcome to talk about his contributions. 02:55, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I haven't figured out a way... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Partial revert

A user has made a series of edits to an article; is there a way I can make huggle revert only the last n edits he made? Someguy1221 (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Use the arrows to get to the diff you want to revert to (rev on left side will be reverted to), and use the red revert button. It should work, as it won't use rollback... Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 04:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

That's what I've been trying, and each time it always reverted all the edits...Someguy1221 (talk) 07:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

If you only want to undo his last edit, use the custom revert summary ("Y") instead. StaticGull  Talk  08:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I think this is resolved, Archiving, ·Add§hore· ^Talk/_Cont 07:52, 26 August 2008 (UTC)