Wikipedia:Peer review/Aston Villa F.C./archive1

Aston Villa F.C.

How can we get this page to GA status then FA status and what would anyone recommended?

(Everlast1910 20:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC))

Comments from Oldelpaso

• The lead section should be two or three paragraphs. See WP:LEAD.
• The number of subheadings in the history section is excessive, and they editorialise in a non-neutral manner.
• The history section should deal with all eras in an evenhanded manner. Currently, the last decade, in which Villa have not won a trophy, is covered in far more detail than eras in which the club won several.
• The prose needs a thorough copyedit - it contains a number of basic grammatical errors e.g. there was only 14 playing staff used in the whole season. There are several instances of weasel words and a number of POV statements which need removing or referencing (e.g. This was a decision welcomed by many Villa fans; arguably Villa's best result since the 1982 European Cup Final; while 18-year-old defender Gareth Barry was easily the most competent young player in the Premiership that season; Dwight Yorke was now established as a world class striker).
• A number of paragraphs are unreferenced. Any statement which could potentially be challenged by a sceptical reader should be supported by a reference.

Have added a number of references can anyone else see anywhere that is in need of reference.(Everlast1910 00:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

One I did notice - the bit in the 'Formation by Villa Cross Cricketers' where it states that the club was formed by cricketers wanting to stay warm in the winter. I would imagine that this comes under the same ref for the rest of the section but it looks unreferenced as it stands EyeSerene^TALK 18:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

• Does the list of notable players have inclusion criteria, or is it an arbitrary list of players chosen by those who added them?
• Get rid of the Famous supporters section. A celebrity's support for Villa has no effect upon the club, if a person's support for Villa is truly notable it should be included in their article, not Villa's.
• Where appropriate, convert bulleted lists into continuous prose (see Wikipedia:Embedded list).
• For further pointers, take a look at some of the existing featured football articles.

Hope this helps. Oldelpaso 21:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man

• Use dates etc in accordance with the relevant section of the manual of style.
• Shorten the history section considerably and remove the many subsections - compare with Arsenal F.C..
• Fair use images need rationale for each page on which the image is used - see fair use policy for assistence here.
• See the dash policy - typically you'll find season descriptions ought to use the en-dash instead of the hyphen e.g. not 1953-54 but 1953–54.
• I tend to write numbers below ten in text so "...five man board contained three members..."

Changed all the numbers to word form under ten.(Everlast1910)

• Consider wikilinking football seasons thus: 1953–54.
• European champions history belongs in the History of Aston Villa page, here you just need a brief synopsis of the tournament win, probably two sentences max, not five sub-sections.

Made a separate page with the full history on there which can be added to, then left a brief description (Everlast1910 19:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

• WP:CITE will help with the placement of citations, usually, if possible, directly following punctuation, not spaces.
• As per Oldelpaso, try to avoid placing too much emphasis on recent history.
• Use manual of style for paragraph headings.

Put Reference See Also and External links in the correct order (Everlast1910 19:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC))

• Notable players. Why are they notable? Consider making a sub-page for List of Aston Villa F.C. players or similar, and perhaps only discuss a few here, like the ones in national halls of fame? Again, see Arsenal F.C. for how this is best achieved.
• Coaching staff not required.
• Turn records section into prose and consider adding a graph of league placements year-on-year.

That's it for now, let me know if I can help further. The Rambling Man 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

• Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Thanks, APR _t 22:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Additional comments

Reading through the article, it uses 'Aston Villa' and 'Villa' interchangably. It would read more encyclopedically to use the club's full name throughout. Interesting article though ;) EyeSerene^TALK 18:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)