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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to see it get to Good Article status. I've contributed significantly to it, and listed it for GAR once, but I was advised to delist it and move it here. I was told that the main area of improvement is in the prose. Advice on how to make it flow better, or on information which should be included, would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Mo-Al (talk) 05:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: Interesting article, but I think it needs some work before it gets to GA. Here are some suggestions for improvement.
- The lead does not really follow WP:LEAD, which says that the lead should be an accessible and inviting overview of the whole article. Nothing important should be in the lead only - since it is a summary, it should all be repeated in the body of the article itself. My rule of thumb is to include every header in the lead in some way, but the Orthography and Phonlogy sections do not seem to be in the lead.
- The article is WP:OVERLINKed - for example Tarifit and Tashelhiyt are linked at least twice in the lead alone.
- The use of italic text needs to follow WP:ITALIC
- The map in the infobox needs a caption, and seems to disagree with this Central Morocco Tamazight is spoken in the Atlas mountains in western Algeria, in valleys next to Taza, near Rabat, and close to the Moroccan border in the south.[1] The caption on the other map could do a better job of explaining what is shown in relation to this dialect
- I'm having trouble figuring out how to get a caption on the map image in the language infobox to display...Mo-Al (talk) 18:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Article is generally well-referenced, but some places need a ref, such as Some[who?] argue that Central Morocco Tamazight should be considered a dialect of Tashelhiyt. My rule of thumb is that every quote, every statistic, every extraordinary claim and every paragraph needs a ref.
- Internet refs need URL, title, author if known, publisher and date accessed. {{cite web}} and other cite templates may be helpful. See WP:CITE and WP:V
- Article has a lot of short (one or two sentence) paragraphs that need to be combined with others or perhaps expanded in almost all cases.
- Avoid needless repetition, for example we are told twice that King Mohammed established IRCAM in two separate places (History and Official status
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I took too long and edit-conflicted with Ruhrfisch.
- From the lead, "related genetically"... is this the standard usage for linguistics? I'm a biologist; it sounds a little off.
- I clicked morphology hoping for an explanation of "templatic", but didn't find anything. Can you include a short explanation (or alternatively, expand the morphology article)?
- Any reason for using the spelling Tamaziɣt for the endonym in the lead and Tamazight in the first section?
- What's the literal translation of Tamazight? I'm unclear on the significance of using the term "Tamazight" to refer to the language, as described in the nomenclature section.
- For those unclear on the location of Morocco, that map in the infobox is not going to help. Maybe zoom out a bit?
- I find the dialects section a bit confusing. A second map might be helpful. It's not clear how the list of dialects in the second paragraph maps to the high/middle/Djabel Sargho distinction in the first paragraph.
- "At one point the Berber states of Numidia and Mauretania existed" - awkward wording.
- "the use of Berber languages was suppressed or even banned." - even if covered in existing sources, I think this deserves its own footnote.
- "was limited to some Berber elite" - awkward.
- "Berber...is now taught as a compulsory language" - which Berber language is being taught? Does it depend on the region?
- The map in the geography section is confusing. "Tamazirt" = Tamazight?
- Added 'Tamazirt' to Nomenclature, though still need a source. Mo-Al (talk) 18:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- "This would give Tamazight 40% command, Tachelhiyt 40%, and Tarifit 20%." - "command" doesn't sound right here.
- "Tamazight has been used to teach children Tamazight " - Tifinagh has been used...?
- Fixed typo. Mo-Al (talk) 18:02, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- The lead says the language "is not found on signs or buildings" but there's a picture of a sign in the orthography section.
- I can't really tell you much about the phonology and grammar sections, since I know so little about them.
Overall this strikes me as a comprehensive article that was written in sections and thus needs some copyediting. The history section is also a bit chronologically confusing, but cleaning up the prose should help with that. Opabinia regalis (talk) 03:19, 22 July 2009 (UTC)