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Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge

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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like it to be an FA before it turns 20 this year. I know the prose is not good yet, but it is sitting in the queue for a copy edit at GOCE. I want to see what other problems may exist, and what suggestions you may have. Thanks, BollyJeff | talk 02:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Ssven2

A few minor comments regarding the prose, which I believe you can resolve yourself.

• "Raj asks his father if he can go on a train trip across Europe with his friends; he agrees" — can be rephrased as "One day, Raj asks his father if he can go on a train trip across Europe with his friends; his father agrees."
• "Shah Rukh Khan was initially not interested because of the romantic nature of the role; he was having success playing villainous roles prior to that." — do you mean "prior to this film."?
• Some of the lines have "Shah Rukh Khan", some have "Shah Rukh", some have "Khan". It's best if you standardise it to "Shah Rukh". Same case with Aditya Chopra. Some have "Aditya". Some have "Chopra". Best to call both Yash Chopra and Aditya Chopra by their first names.

That is tricky because we usually refer to people by their last names, but here there are some people with the same last names, so that is when I revert to their first names. I will try to do better, but perhaps the copy editor will also improve it.

@Bollyjeff: I have used the full names of SRK and the Chopras for you. If you wish to revert them, do so by all means. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 05:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is correct. I am asking for help here. BollyJeff | talk 16:34, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• Quick question — Is there a reason why Saif declined the role?

I don't think it is not known why.

@Bollyjeff: You can add a footnote about it using this source from DNA and from MTV, both of which state he declined the role for unknown reasons. If you want to add more facts in the legacy section, you can use this source from Bookmyshow. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 05:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• "Chopra asked for two assistants, his brother Uday Chopra, and his friend Karan Johar, who also acted a small part in the film. He got those, plus assistant director Sameer Sharma" — can be rephrased as "Aditya's brother Uday Chopra, Karan Johar and Sameer Sharma worked as assistant directors in the film. Karan Johar also played a small role in the film as Raj's friend."
• "Sharmishta Roy was the art director.[30] Manish Malhotra was in charge of costume design, with help from Karan Johar and others. While he had many new ideas, Chopra wanted to keep the clothing style simple; he did not want it to distract from the story". Better to keep them in "Casting" section.
• Can you wikilink "Indianness" to Indian Culture for those who might not know of the term?
• It would be great if there was a quote in the legacy section like "Mother India" and "Chandralekha".
• Do check with any WP:NBSP, WP:PUNC and MOS:LQ issues in the article, if any, to be on the safe side ("Saif ki side toh Kareena hota hain na?" lol).

Comments from Dr. Blofeld

Sorry, been busy! Let me look at this tomorrow or Tuesday.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Lede

• "Earning over INR1.06 billion (US$17 million) in India and INR160 million (US$2.5 million) overseas, it became the highest grossing Bollywood film of the year, and one of the biggest hits of all time in India. It won 10 Filmfare Awards, the most for a single film at that time, and won the National Film Award for Best Popular Film Providing Wholesome Entertainment. The film's soundtrack was one of the biggest sellers of the 1990s, and songs from it are still popular at weddings." -rep of biggest
• "The success of Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge led to the targeting of non-resident Indian audiences by other film makers, which deemed lucrative for them." -makes little sense, reword
• imitators -imitations?

Plot

• I'd word it as "Non resident Indians and put (NRIs) in brackets.
• The plot overall could do with polishing up to improve the quality of prose, it reads too much like a narrative in parts..

Production

• " After his mother Pamela agreed that the story was solid, he decided to make this his directorial debut.[9] Aditya Chopra's intent was to make a wholesome story that people could watch repeatedly. He wanted to show that unlike the typical story "- rep of "story"

Impact

• Link British Film Institute

It is already linked twice elsewhere

• Is there a link for Consulate General of Switzerland in Mumbai?

No

The article is stronger in the lower sections I feel. The prose throughout most as Sandy would say is rather "rambling". It reads too subjectively and just lacks the finesse of a higher end article. It needs several decent copyeditors going through it. That for me is its biggest concern right now, the general comprehension has improved though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. The hard part seems to be getting "several decent copyeditors". At WP:GOCE you get one; and their skill is what it is. My plan is to do that first, and then ask some of your preferred copyeditors to take another pass at it. BollyJeff | talk 13:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Pinged, read one section, saw this: " ... causing Aditya Chopra to keep continue pursuing Khan" ... keep continue redundant. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

It was not ready for your keen eyes yet, Sandy. I hope you don't mind if I call you later, though. BollyJeff | talk 15:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Yup, still a fair way to go. I'll try to give it an initial copyedit later in the week.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: how is it looking to you now? BollyJeff | talk 03:32, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

SG

• Maybe it's an Indian thing, but I don't understand why we switch from referring to most persons with full name and one with nickname in the same sentence. Since she has a full name, I don't understand why we can't refer to it on first occurrence, identify in paren her nickname, and use that subsequently. The average non-Indian (like me) is forced to click out to discover that her name is Kajol Devgan, and is left wondering why she is referred to by mononymous nickname while the others aren't. It's just jarring to the reader (like me) unfamiliar with Indian customs.

• It was written and directed by Aditya Chopra, produced by Yash Chopra, and stars Shah Rukh Khan and Kajol.

Why not:

• It was written and directed by Aditya Chopra, produced by Yash Chopra, and stars Shah Rukh Khan and Kajol Devgan (know mononymously as Kajol).

• " ... Simran's father has long ago promised ... " had long ago promised ???
• Personal preference here, but I think ten would look better:

• It won 10 Filmfare ...

and there is a missing WP:NBSP there between the measurement and what it's measuring (check throughout).

The GOCE member who just copyedited this removed them, saying "they're only needed where breaking the line will make the sentence difficult to follow". WP:NBSP does not say to me that a nbsp is needed between '10' and 'filmfare'. It is not some unit of measure. For the dates, maybe yes. BollyJeff | talk 12:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• " ... songs from it are still popular at weddings. ... "

• Review WP:REALTIME, still is not only vague, it is redundant. Either find a way to recast the sentence mentioning x many years later or as of or something, or just say ... popular at weddings ... without the still.

• The film was able to connect with different segments of society by simultaneously promoting strong family values and the following of one's own heart.

• Ugh. The film connected ... lose the simultaneously ... maybe ...

• The film advanced a message of strong family values while following one's own heart, connecting with different segments of society.

• Two sentences after that, we again start a sentence with "the film" ... prose is not varied.
• only two Hindi films in the film reference book ... books are italicized, not quoted.

I stopped there ... prose isn't quite ready for prime-time yet. Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 11:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. BollyJeff | talk 12:39, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Kailash

If the prose needs to improve, I will do it myself. But if there are things I can't understand, I'll post them here. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. FYI, Baffle gab1978 has an ongoing copyedit. He/she worked on it last evening, and is about half way through. Now done. BollyJeff | talk 02:16, 12 May 2015 (UTC)