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Godsmack

I've listed this article for peer review because, they are a multi-platinum selling heavy metal/hard rock band, and very talented. Hoping for FA.

Thanks,

Skeeker _[Talk] 22:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Comments:

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J Milburn

• All album titles should be in italics, and absolutely not in speech marks. By comparison, all song/single titles should be in speech marks. A few places this is an issue- the lead, the caption of the album cover, and the section titles.
• I recommend the use of citation templates for the references. You do not phrase the publisher on some, you do not phrase it in the conventional way on any, and you do not put the author or date on any, as far as I can see.
• The bottom two external links- are they official? If not, lose them. I would also decap them, and lose the French one anyway.
• On the template at the bottom, the DVDs should be in italics, not in speech marks.
• The album cover picture isn't really needed- if you specifically discussed the album art, yes, but you don't.
• References should be phrased like this- [fact][punctuation][nospace][citation][citation]. Basically, never a space before a citation, never punctuation after it.
• The logo lacks a rationale, and should categorically NOT be being used outside the article space. In fact, I'll remove it from elsewhere now.
• The other logo (the one in the infobox) is also lacking in a fair use rationale.
• "really hit big" is POV, and an unencyclopedic tone. The paragraph could also do with a little more referencing.
• "Robbie Merrill and Tony Rombola soon joined Godsmack"- 'Soon'? Can we be any more specific?
• "strong reputation and following" Again, POV and unreferenced. According to whom?
• WAAF links to a DAB page.
• "Said Sully, "We had been selling maybe 50 copies a month at the time WAAF picked up the album."" Said Sully? Not quite certain if it makes sense, but it certainly sounds a little odd, (especially as they both begin with S) not to mention the fact it sounds more newspapery/poetic than encyclopedic.
• "After the CD's release the band hit the road playing club shows as well as playing Ozzfest and Woodstock '99 before a crowd of 250,000. They then supported Black Sabbath." References, and links to Woodstock and Black Sabbath would be good.
• Article seems to contradict itself. It talks about how Godsmack was released on Universal, but then the discography section says it was released on Columbia.
• "the studio after the huge success of Godsmack" Huge success? What huge success? Perhaps you could mention the sales in the prose?
• "The CD was a big success but not nearly as big as Godsmack, with the single, Awake." This sentence is a little clumsy, and some figures or references would be nice, explaining why/how it wasn't a success. Also, remember- albums, EPs, "songs" and "singles".
• "later the CD would go on to sell over 1 million copies in the United States alone." Painfully unreferenced.
• "On March 16, 2004 The Other Side an acoustic low priced EP was released. It includes several" Change of tense- keep it in the past tense.
• "It includes several previously released songs re-recorded as acoustic versions, as well as three new acoustic tracks: "Running Blind", "Touché" which featured Godsmack's first guitar player Lee Richards and John Kosco who where in the band Dropbox who are the first band signed by Sully's Realign Records/Universal label[6], and "Voices"." Overly long and clumsy sentence- you are trying to tell the reader too much at once.
• "On March 16, 2004 The Other Side an acoustic low priced EP was released." Doesn't make sense- you need more commas. Perhaps "On March 16, 2004, The Other Side, an acoustic, low priced EP, was released." But I am prone to use too many myself.
• "while headlining with Dropbox in the summer. Then they did acoustic shows for their newly released album The Other Side in the fall of 2004, while still opening for Metallica." References? Also, overuse of pronouns.
• "Their first release from the album IV, "Speak" was released on February 14, 2006, and their album IV was released April 25, 2006. The band will continue performing on their IV tour in May and June 2007. IV debuted at No. 1 on the Billboard 200, selling 211,000 copies in its first week. IV has since gone platinum.[9]" In a complete change of direction, this paraprah could do with more pronouns- it repeats IV a lot. More references would be nice, and use of slightly longer sentences.
• "The album was originally intended to be a boxed set, but the band scrapped the plans so they could release a best of album. Godsmack will be following the release of the album with an acoustic tour." Reference? Also, one sentence paragraphs are bad.
• "In an interview regarding rumors of an "indefinite hiatus", the band's singer, Sully Erna, is quoted as saying," Interview where?
• "GODSMACK" Lowercase?
• Links in the prose- could they not be formatted into real references?
• "The two primary influences on Godsmack are believed to be thrash metal/hard rock band, Metallica, and alternative metal/grunge band, Alice in Chains." Believed by who? Reference?
• "It has been believed that Godsmack took their name from the Alice in Chains song "God Smack" from the album Dirt." By who? Reference?
• "However, many believe that this was part of Godsmack's attempt to distinguish themselves from the band that they have been compared to most frequently." Who? Reference?
• "Godsmack have attempted to distance themselves from the Alice in Chains comparison with Erna stating in an interview with Matt Ashare, "I've just never really heard that in our music."" Reference? Quotes without references are not good.
• "VH1 Rock Honors" is such a tiny thing that I would say it didn't deserve its own section.

Overall, I think this article is still a good way from FA, but GA is within reach. Message me on my talk page if you would like me to review further, and I would be happy to have another look. J Milburn 18:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

• I've taken care of it all now. Is there anything else needed to be done? Skeeker _[Talk] 00:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Right, time for a second wave of recommendations, starting from the top, moving down. Just before that, however- please remove the fair use images and article categories from your sandbox.

• The lead should be two paragraphs, but expanding the first one would be a good idea. Single line paragraphs are not good.
• I'm not a huge fan of references in leads, (it should all be referenced elsewhere anyway) but the two citations to the same place on one line- why not just have one at the end of the sentence?
• Robbie Merrill is linked twice in quick succession- I would delink the second.
• "The band's name as stated in the home video DVD Smack This! by Merrill, "we stole it from Alice in Chains", the song being "God Smack" from the band's second studio album Dirt." That sentence doesn't seem to make much sense, perhaps rephrase?
• I'd lose the line "That's where we picked the name from." It sounds like the quote is agreeing with the previous line, which it isn't.
• "The All Music Guide gave the album three out of five stars, stating that Godsmack confidently brought metal and rock to modern days.[9]" Can we please have the name of the reviewer, and a direct quote?
• "A man" is a little vague- perhaps something like 'A father in [country]', if nothing more specific is known.
• "situation to Rolling Stone magazine" Rolling Stone should be in italics.
• The album titles in section titles need to be in italics.
• "With the release of Awake they" Awake should be in italics.
• Would be nice if you stated which country's military. I instantly thought of the UK's Army adverts, which certainly did not use them.
• There are a lot of single line paragraphs in both the Awake and Faceless sections.
• The Scorpion King should be in italics, not speech marks
• "wrote and performed was titled, "I Stand Alone" and became" No need for the comma.
• "due to personal differences[2], Godsmack" Reference should go after the comma.
• "The lead single "Straight Out of Line" received a Grammy nomination for "Best Hard Rock Performance", losing to the Foo Fighters' single All My Life." Reference please, and "All My Life" should be in speech marks.
• Put the big quote in with the prose. You seem to want to have used {{blockquote}}, but that would be inappropriate due to the fact it is two quotes from different places. In fact, what on Earth is the relevence of the quote? It's just a typical 'sex, drugs 'n' rock 'n' roll' anecdote, nothing to do with the album name.
• "It includes several previously released songs re-recorded as acoustic versions, as well as three new acoustic tracks: "Running Blind", "Touché" which featured Godsmack's first guitar player Lee Richards and John Kosco who where in the now broken-up band "Dropbox", who were the first band signed by Erna's Realign Records/Universal label,[20] as well as the song "Voices"." I'm still not loving this sentence, for a number of reasons. How about- "It includes several previously released songs re-recorded as acoustic versions, as well as three new acoustic tracks. One new song, "Touché", featured Godsmack's first guitar player, Lee Richards, as well John Kosco, who were at that time in the now defunct band Dropbox, The other two new accoustic tracks were "Running Blind" and "Voices". The song "Asleep" is actually the acoustic version of "Awake" from the band's second album Awake." That sentence fixes grammar, spelling, formatting and clumsy sentences. If you were to use that suggestions, (and otherwise, I suppose) a reference for the other two songs being new acoustic songs would also be needed.
• Are you going to put tours in speech marks? You have for some, but haven't for others.
• "Jar of Flies EPs. Which is one of the" Change 'Which' to 'This'.
• "well known producer and engineer, Andy Johns," Lose the first comma.
• Again, bring the blockquote into the prose, in the same paragraph as the line before it.
• Same's true of the next quote.
• "It will include a cover of the Led Zeppelin classic Good Times, Bad Times, as well as the group's acoustic performance in Las Vegas." "Good Times, Bad Times" is a song, so should be in speech marks, not italics. Also, 'Godsmack's' would be better than 'the band's', seeing as you just mentioned Led Zeppelin.
• Lose the one sentence paragraphs!
• The references could still do with some expansion- Link (presuming it's an online source), title, accessdate and publisher are essential, author and date would be nice.

Ok, that's it for now. I'll take another look once these things are dealt with. J Milburn 14:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

All taken care of. Anything at all to help this article and I out is good. I want this to be FA someday but I really want GA right now, so please tell me what is needed for that. Skeeker _[Talk] 04:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I fixed the references the best I could and got as many dates, authors, and publishers as possible. Third review? Or possibly GA? Skeeker _[Talk] 03:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

M3tal H3ad

Needs a lot of work for FA -

• Lead should be two paragraphs
• Along with major-American success in their albums - POV remove this sentence
• as a lead singer - implies there will be two lead singers :S
• his previous band for more than 23 years. 0 I'm sure you can find the name of this band in an interview
• In 1996, his new band Godsmack - you never told us where he got the other members or who they are
• Hit songs such as - Hit song is POV
• In early works you mention a bassist and guitarist joining the band, so who was the bassist and guitarist when they played in bars (above paragraph)
• each album section is small, too small. Mention quotes from reviews of CD's/chart positions/tours
• So most of Awake -> So most of Awake
• The lead single "Straight Out of Line" received a Grammy nomination for "Best Hard Rock Performance". Who did they lost to?
• The band ended the "IV tour" - you never told us they went on tour
• To celebrate ten years as a band Godsmack - comma after band
• as well as the groups acoustic -> group's
• You refer to a person with their last name after their first mention
• References need to mention the publisher outside of the title as done with reference 11
• alphabetize categories

It just needs a lot of expansion to be more informative. M3tal H3ad 02:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

All that is needed to be done now is expand the album articles. Can somebody review again. Skeeker _[Talk] 03:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

All done. Skeeker _[Talk] 11:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok second review;

• Are you using American-English or British English? You first state they are a band, then say the band has, implying a singular and are means more than one.
• They have sold over 10 million albums in the U.S., and 11 million worldwide.[1] They have had two #1 albums (Faceless and IV) on the Billboard 200. They have had thirteen top - very repetitive and written poorly
• he CD was recorded in just three days for $2,500. US dollars?
• D'arco left the band , do we know why
• All Music Guide -> All Music Guide
• 5x Platinum - should platinum have a capital? is there a link to platinum that tells the reader its for 1+ mill albums sold
• due to profane lyrics - what does profane mean here? it doesn't mention what the lyrics contained, swearing? racism? etc
• In 2000 Godsmack returned to the studio after the multi-platinum success of Godsmack to start recording Awake. This is the only information about the album we get, how about some chart positions, reviews. It got Number 5 and this isn't even mentioned...
• The Scorpion King, the third installment in the Mummy saga, It is a spin-off prequel off the mummy series
• The bands -> band's if you are referring to Godsmack
• With references like this - ^ SMACKFANS.COM - GODSMACK FANSITE - make it lowercase (should also avoid fansites as sources)
• The biggest problem is you overuse the quote template; just merge the quote into the text
• he overall sound of the band's first two albums sound similar to the sound of the Alice in Chains album, Dirt. who's opinion is this?
• Godsmack's logo is similar to the sun logo of Alice in Chains. Again, who claims this?
• For FA you will need to have a section on style, you do this by quoting critics on elements in their music, comparison to other artists, and critics opinions on how the band's music has changed overtime.
• On March 16, 2004 The Other Side an acoustic EP was released from the band - missing a comma or needs to be reworded
• simply titled IV, followed by a tour that would go on through August 2007, simply titled "The IV tour".
• 10 million albums in the U.S., and 11 million worldwide -> I know i reworded it, but does this mean 21 million all together or only an additional 1 million worldwide?
• It will include a cover of the Led Zeppelin song "Good Times, Bad Times" (see, "Good Times, Bad Times (Godsmack song)) The link to the Godmsack song tells the reader nothing

It would fail FAC and with a bit more work can become a GA, although you will be waiting ~a month for a GA review. it looks A LOT better since you started work on it M3tal H3ad 04:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I think I'm content on GA for now, but soon I want FA. Thank you a lot for helping. I've seen the stuff you do to slayer articles. Skeeker _[Talk] 04:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)