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Impossible Princess

Previous peer review

I've listed this article for peer review because I am striving to make this article a WP:Featured article alongside a Featured topic or Good article topic. Since the last review in April 2015 here, I have created a private page to fix, construct, add and remove information about this album. I have stuck to a lot of reliable sources, research that I have obtained in several different formats (including magazine articles, image and text, radio, interviews, etc.) and detailed it thoroughly. After the failed attempts, I have tried to narrow down the article a lot of make it more appropriate and readable. Not to take personal credit or spotlight, but majority of the editing process of the artcle since the past year has been conducted by me through a lot of research, and again, I am striving to make this a featured article. I need this to be peer reviewed in order to achieve my goal.

Thanks, CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 03:58, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Comments from JM

Happy to offer a review. I've taken some albums to FA status, but not recently. (As an aside, I've just reviewed Too Much Too Soon (album) at FAC, which strikes me as an excellent album article, and potentially a good one to emulate.) If my comments come across as a little harsh/picky, it's because I'm trying to catch the kind of things which could sink a FAC nomination.

• "it was her first album to assert partial creative control" How can an album assert control?
• "Because her label, Deconstruction's A&R department were not present through majority of the album process" This doesn't work. How about "Because the A&R department of her label, Deconstruction (link link), were not present throughout the majority of the album's production process, ..."
• "An album with a mixture of different musical genres and styles, several songs on the album" This doesn't work either. The subordinate clause at the start of the sentence refers to the subject of the main clause, which is currently "several songs on the album". How about something like "A release with a mixture of different musical genres and styles, the album features several songs employing themes..."
• "The album cover was directed" How can covers be directed?
• The author/featured poet of the book would be a nice addition to the lead.
• "as the albums official singles" Apostrophe! The singles belong to the album!
• "while the rest of the album served as promotional singles in Australia and New Zealand" You don't mean the rest of the album, you mean the other songs on the album.
• What does "sonic change" mean?
• "where it peaked at number three" Why "where it peaked"? Why not just "peaking"?
• "The trips with Sednaoui and his encouragement to express creative freedom allowed her to start writing songs for Impossible Princess" This doesn't work. Also, an unnecessary capital letter later in the sentence.
• "Impossible Princess took nearly two years to record, becoming the longest period of time Minogue had worked on a project since her time acting on the Australian soap opera Neighbours (from 1986 to 1988)." This doesn't work. I'd drop "becoming".
• "Minogue's creative director Steve Anderson later explained that its lengthy time was “due to the pure perfectionism of all creatively involved.”[10]" Be aware of MOS:LQ. I'd recommend checking the rest of the article for this- I'll not make any further comments about the rule. Also, why those funny quote marks?
• "where they both completed the unreleased track" Both? Who's both?
• "Welsh musician James Dean Bradfield contacted Minogue's A&R Pete Hadfield, asking him what their current project was where Hadfield replied “Kylie Minogue's new album.”" Grammatically odd. Is this really necessary? I think some people might claim you have too much background info, here.
• "loved" is a bit hyperbolic.
• "Sednaoui introduced her the work" Missing a word?
• "Her most indie work in her career" How about "The most indie work in her career" or simply "Her most indie track"?
• ""Breathe", the album's third single, and "Say Hey", are electronic tracks that have been compared to Icelandic recording artist Bjork." How about "Both "Breathe", the album's third single, and "Say Hey" are electronic tracks that have been compared to the music of Icelandic recording artist Bjork."
• "The former track deals with calmess, while the latter talks about verbal communication with Sednaoui respectively." You're already saying "the former" and "the latter"; you don't need "respectively".
• "is a trance song where Minogue" in which, not where
• "about wanting attention and satisfaction from Sednaoui" She doesn't want satisfaction from Sednaoi (or, I'm guessing she doesn't...). She wants S to be satisfied. How about "about desiring Sednaoui's attention and wanting him to be satisfied". Not perfect, but better.
• "as the albums most" Apostrophe!
• "the albums most straightforward Motown–indie rock song on the album" If it's "the album's most", you don't need "on the album".
• "Minogue stated the lyrical narrative was "difficult" to explain" that the lyrical...
• "that shows Minogue singing" It doesn't "show".
• "is a schizophrenic dance song" We really shouldn't use the word "schizophrenic" like that.
• "over a orchestral and string arrangement" an orchestral
• "Minogue concerned about the delays of the albums release." Apostrophe. Also, I don't like the way you attribute concern. How about "Minogue, discussing the delays in the album's release".
• "but was postponed until May 1997" The release was postponed, not Deconstruction
• "Deconstruction aimed to release the album in January 1997, but was postponed until May 1997.[41] Despite this, Deconstruction postponed the album until September 1997 but withdrew this decision, leaving the album unreleased" I'm struggling to follow this narrative.
• "released selected album tracks and released them on various formats" Repetition
• "followed by a 12 January 1998 released in" release
• "but dismissed plans after they failed to find an American label to promote it" dismissed these plans
• "Shooting a cover in 3-D required multiple static cameras and she grew tired of posing for long periods of time." You haven't mentioned a 3-D (and shouldn't that be "3D"?) shoot yet, and who's "she"? (This is a recurring issue throughout the article- lots of "she"s.)
• " The background of swirling lights was achieved by Sednaoui, who was dressed in an all-black suit" I'm not clear what this means. Also, why on earth are his clothes relevant?
• "The title" Specify that you mean the album's title
• "It was given to Minogue" The title wasn't. How about "A copy of the book was..."
• "Due to the death of Diana, Princess of Wales in August 1997, the title was changed to Kylie Minogue for the UK and the rest of Europe.[50]" This alternative title should really be mentioned in the lead- perhaps even the first line (with bold).
• "After the albums European release" Apostrophe!
• "Minogue embarked an Australian and European tour Intimate and Live," How about "Minogue embarked Intimate and Live, an Australian and European tour, ..."
• "rehearsing for the tour while she was rehearsing" Repetition
• "The production made for the tour was on a lower budget than her previous tours, only to give it more off a "special and unique" atmosphere. She decided to have it low budget so she could establish more risks in her performances rather than have a production bigger than her." Difficult to follow
• "Kylie and Baker designed and drawn the concept and set out of the tour." Unclear.
• "Objects in the album's content, including the "K" symbol and the multi-coloured cone had been featured as props for the tour." You need a comma after "cone" ("including ... cone" is a subordinate clause) but I'm not clear what "objects in the album's content" means.
• "From the supporting album, Minogue performed "Too Far", "Some Kind of Bliss", "Breathe", "Cowboy Style", "Say Hey", "Drunk", "Did It Again", "Limbo" and unreleased track "Free"" If "Free" is/was "unreleased", it's not "from the supporting album".
• "The live album with the same name was released on 30 November 1998 in Australia and the live DVD with the same name was released in July 2002." Unreferenced; same name as what?
• Judging from the reception section, the album did not have "generally mixed" reviews.
• ". It re-entered at number forty and enter back inside the top ten, staying there for three non-consecutive weeks and stayed in the albums chart for thirty-five weeks (including three separate stays in the Top 10 during its run) making it Minogue's longest-charting album at that point." All over the place.
• "had a duration of four weeks" The album didn't have a duration of four weeks, it stayed in the chart for four weeks
• "was a benefit of low sales" I am assuming this is not what you mean. I assume you mean that it was a possible cause of low sales, or was possibly caused by low sales.
• "along with Minogue's radical change through the media industry, who criticized her appearance and the material on the record." I am unclear on what this means. Also, why is this criticism not covered in the reception section?
• "felt that she had been fighting her previous egos to be taken seriously for Impossible Princess" What does this mean?
• "UK critic Adrian Denning also called the album her biggest misconception in her career." How can an album be a misconception?
• "Impossible Princess received huge backlash for her media dub as "Indie Kylie", her sonic exploration and low sales." I am unclear on what this means.
• "despite the album being released months after" afterwards or later. Also, which album? The latter or the former?
• " Tim Jonze opined that Minogue going back to pop music and disco in her 2000 album Light Years saved her career if she did another album similar to Impossible Princess." This doesn't make sense.
• "Minogue commented since stated that while" What on earth does this mean?
• "She did admit she does" that she does
• "Use in various culture" is not a good section title; I'm not at all clear on the value of the discussion in the section. If you're going to keep it, it needs copyediting- a block quote would be valuable for the long quote.
• The fact that the song articles are up for deletion is potentially an issue- I'd hold off FAC until that issue has been resolved.
• What's the "subsequent releases" section about?

At first glance, the sources look OK, but there are issues. A full FAC review would definitely pick up these and likely more.

• I'm not keen on the way you repeat the citation information for the booklet interview. Same with Baker.
• There are some questionable italics (Rovi, for instance) which should be cleaned up.
• "Unknown, Author" is not an author name.
• Your Youtube link looks like a copyright violation and needs to go.
• The full Aspinall source is never given. Neither is Taraborelli.
• Herald Sun should be italicised and linked.
• "Mushroom Records press release; included with disc" is not a title. There are others similarly and incorrectly formatted.
• "Billboard - Google Books. Books.google.co.nz. 4 April 1998. Retrieved 11 August 2014." No no no.
• "Unknown author (August 1997). "Review of Impossible Princess". Music Week." Page numbers? Volume? Issue? (Also no pp on Sunday Mail)
• ""Kylie new album interview 'Sometimes you fall flat on your face'". By Robert Copsey. Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 12:09 BST." and "http://www.pop-cultured.net/deconstructing-kylie-minogue-analysis-artistic-input-deconstruction-records/" need sorting.

There were other smaller source issues, and a few websites of questionable reliability. The source list needs going through with a fine-toothed comb before FAC. Concerning the images: Your main cover has an incomplete rationale and your music sample has a useless copy-paste rationale. Do you really need the second album cover? Is it really adding anything? The real issue, though, is the prose- right now, the writing is a good way below FAC standards. I hope this review is helpful- if you fix everything I've pointed out, you will be a good way closer to FAC-ready. Josh Milburn (talk) 11:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

@J Milburn: Hi Josh. Thank you for conducting this review, there is A LOT I need to work on to achieve a FAC rating. Your criticism and opinion is superb (not hard or bad at all), and I will be working on what you have suggest above in the coming weeks. Once again, thank you for the time you've taken out to help me out :) CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 06:00, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure- let me know when you are done and I may be able to find some time to have another look through. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

@J Milburn: Hi Josh. I managed to do as much as I could with your responses above. I used the format on my workproject page User:CaliforniaDreamsFan/FAArticleforImpossiblePrincess and corrected the article using this page, then I transferred it onto the Impossible Princess page. Hope it helps! CaliforniaDreamsFan (talk · contribs} 06:44, 2 September 2015 (UTC)