Wikipedia:Peer review/Ipswich Town F.C./archive1

I'd like the article to be reviewed from the perspective of the article being elevated to featured article - it's loosely based on the Arsenal F.C. article which is a current FA. All comments of any type are encouraged and more than welcome! The Rambling Man 18:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Elisson

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  • The article suffers from recentism. I understand that the history before turning professional might not be that interresting, but one single paragraph to cover 80 years of history (1878–1961), then three paragraphs for the next 30 years (1961–1994), and finally three long paragraphs for the next 10 years (1995–today) is not well balanced. Other than that, nothing major. Maybe incorporate the ownership section somewhere else (no separate section needed for that short text) and expand the intro somewhat (not necessary, but I would prefer it). – Elisson • T • C • 22:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I agree. We'll try to remedy this and I'll let you know when, in our opinion, we've fixed it! Cheers. The Rambling Man 08:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed here too. The section is also too long, so I'll focus my hacking on reducing the most recent history. --Dweller 09:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Qwghlm

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Apart from that, the article is very good in my view; as well as the above it may need the odd minor copyedit or two before reaching FA status but that's all. Qwghlm 20:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Oldelpaso

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Hmm. Finding something that states it explicitly is proving difficult, this RSSSF page comes closest. The phrasing used by the BBC article is inaccurate. Five newly-promoted teams have won the championship (Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, Ipswich and Forest) but only Ipswich were top-flight debutants. This can be determined by inspection, but as it stands we have no source saying it directly. Oldelpaso 20:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by HornetMike

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Excellent work with expanding it so quickly chaps. Just a few comments:

Otherwise, great work! HornetMike 18:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by SteveO

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Only a few nit-picking comments, since there really isn't much wrong with the article

  • Once George Burley is introduced in the history section, he can be referred to simply as Burley in the sentences which follow.
  • Is there a reason why Ipswich started wearing blue? According to this, they started off wearing striped shirts and black shorts, which may be worth a mention.
    • To do. --Dweller 18:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      I can't find a good reason for blue, presumably it was just a popular colour - plenty of clubs in blue or red etc that almost certainly have no reason other than it was a popular choice. I'm not really going into too much about the early days of the shirts because citations using decent sources are extremely hard to come by (and I don't think that one is a particularly reliable source, it has dead links on it for a start) The Rambling Man 19:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the honours section, the statement: "Ipswich have won a number of honours" seems irrelevant, since the trophy list proves that anyway.
  • Winning the FA Youth Cup doesn't need to be mentioned in the history section, as it's not a first-team honour.
    • I agree that it's not a major honour, but disagree that it shouldn't be mentioned, as the nuance is that FA Youth Cup winners are likely to benefit from a strong team with a spine of home-grown playrs in the following years. It's a tough competition to win and the winners are in good stead. I welcome a come-back or further consensus from others. --Dweller 09:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the heaviest defeat in a Premiership match" should be tightened a bit to show that this is a league record.

SteveO 21:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ending Peer Review soon

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I've identified eightfourone outstanding comments above to action/respond to. I'd welcome more, before we move on from Peer Review. --18:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)(updated Dweller 18:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC))[reply]

We're done, the FA nom is up and running, but by all means, open invitation to continue peer reviewing, either here or at the FAC page. The Rambling Man 20:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Bigmike

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This is my first PR response, just a few possible suggestions...Bigmike 19:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Closing Peer Review

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All comments and criticisms have been responded to. Please continue at [[ Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ipswich Town F.C.]] Thank you for your contributions. --Dweller 10:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]