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Kingdom of Mysore

I've listed this article for peer review because it is the first of its kind and covers an important period in the history of Southern India. The article describes South India in the wake of the decline of its last great Hindu Empire in 1565, the struggle for independence from British rule by an offshoot Kingdom, the influence of English language and British governance on local customs and administration, the development of classical Carnatic music, Kannada literature, Kannada drama and stage, Mysore paintings and Indo-European architecture before and during the British Raj. The article is well referenced. Please provide constructive feedback on the content, its style and presentation. Thanks.Dineshkannambadi 22:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please see automated peer review suggestions here. Thanks, APR _t 12:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DK Reply. Thanks. I will look into the automated review suggestions and make appropriate changes.Dineshkannambadi 14:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been copy edited several times and the requirements in the automated PR has been addressed. Several sub-articles have been created to reduce the size of the article.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 18:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Some comments

Lot of images that are creating a few blank gaps.

DK Reply I will try to solve this.Dineshkannambadi 01:18, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DK Reply Done.Dineshkannambadi 14:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How come there is no history or military history sub-articles? I found some bits very intresting that I would want expanded upon such as the apparent "pitched battle" Shivaji refused.

DK Reply My source does not give details. As such, the overall size of the article makes it prohibitive to add all that info in the main article. However, that bit a detail could be dug up and added to a page created for the specific king. I have added see also article for Anglo-Mysore wars, Tipu Sultan and Haider Ali.Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some questions about the history section, if you wish I would be glad to look over the rest of the article.

I'm a little puzzled as to what was happening in the region before the Wodeyar family. Did the kingdom start of as a village or it was an already established region when the family came to power? I think a sentence worth mention of the state this kingodom was in when it was administered by/conquered by/joined (another point of uncertainty) the Vijayanagara Empire.

DK Reply The Mysore region was entirely under the Vijayanagara Empire, with Srirangapatna as the governing centre. The nearby Mysore region had its own chieftain Timmaraja II, also under the Vijayanagara Empire, when Vijayanagara Empire fell in 1565. This is already mentioned in the history section. Details about how big Mysore territory may have been in the 1560 time frame is mentioned in the Origin of Kingdom of Mysore. In the main article, the sentence goes like this The first mention of the Wodeyar family is in 16th century Kannada literature from the time of the Vijayanagara king Achyuta Deva Raya, while the Mysore kingdom's own earliest available inscription is from the rule of the petty chief Timmaraja II in 1551.Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The origin of the brothers" you're talking about their birthplace right?

DK Reply Yes Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"prompting claims that he was the most important of Mysore's early rulers" claims by historians?

DK Reply yes. the citation is from "Kamath (2001), p228".Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"the king gave him the title "Nawab Haider Ali Khan Bahadur"" the title means?

DK Reply The term Nawab generally equates to "royalty". Bahadur means "brave".Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"like their immediate predecessors, were kings in title only" meaning? Pardon me if this is explained previously in the section.

DK Reply Meaning they held the title of king and were officially coronated, but the real power was in the hands of Haider Ali, who most sources say "usurped" power.Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From the paragraph devoted to Haider Ali as I understood he became king, although I'm not sure it is stated.

DK Reply Haider Ali and Tipu Sultan were never officially the kings of Mysore. They were never coronated. In fact, from 1796-1799, when Chamaraja Wodeyar VIII died in 1796, the thrown was empty and Tipu kept it empty. As a Muslim in a predominantly Hindu Kingdom, he would have found it difficult to obtain legitimacy, despite his achievements.Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The kingdom role in the Indian independence?

Thank you, and if you don't mind me asking, any plans of taking the subarticles to FAC? 74.13.100.91 22:49, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DK Reply By 1900's, Mysore did become one of the centres of independence movement. But due to article size constraints, I have not been able to dwell on this topic. The kingdoms role in independence can be covered as a seperate subarticle as such. Each sub-article that exists can be made into a FA, time permitting. I plan to create a FA at some point on the "Architecture of the Kingdom of Mysore", since that would be more eye catching.Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DK Reply Thanks for your comments. I will answer your quesions in detail, but please do log in. That really helps.Dineshkannambadi 00:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DK Reply Hope I have answered your questions. If you have more concerns, please post them next week on the FAC discussion page.Dineshkannambadi 01:08, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nehru not Head of State

Nehru (first Prime Minister of India) doesn't really belong at the bottom of the list of Kings of Mysore; they were heads of state, sometimes in a more or less ceremonial capacity. He was a head of government. If you must put a modern Indian politician on the list, you should list the first President of India, Rajendra Prasad, or, to be even more historically precise, the first Governor-General of independent India, C. Rajagopalachari. Writtenright 23:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)Writtenright[reply]

I will change it to Rajgopalachari, the first Governor General. thanks.Dineshkannambadi 00:49, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

DK Reply Done Dineshkannambadi 01:23, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]