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Lithuania men's national basketball team

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I have listed this article for peer review because I have been improving it for a really long period of time and I believe that it reached higher level than just a B-class article. My main goal was to make it a Featured Article. I have covered all the major events the team has participated in, described the most notable players and added many extras (like flags, song, etc). The article has a complete team's statistics with all its records as well. I believe it could be worth being a FA since there really is no further things to be added to the article, unless the upcoming new competitions in the future (which I'm planning to describe from time to time as well). Please share your thoughts what else should be improved in it before nominating it for a FA. I know that the references list currently is a huge mess and I'm planning to fix it soon, so skip this part.

Thanks, Pofka (talk) 15:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Comments from Csisc

First, I have to thank you for the work about Lithuania. The Article is excellent and I am asking why it was not proposed as GA. The article is extremely well done and it involves clear parts about Lithuanian Basketball History. However, I think that some ameliorations should be done soon.

• Coaches: Even an average work about Basketball Teams involves a full list of main coaches. However, you made only a list of important ones. This should be reviewed.
• Records: The Work does only involve some excellent detailed lists of records of the team: Best series of win, The player who scored the most in his international career, the player who had played in the youngest age ever... This can give an overview about the different performances of Lithuanian team in the different parts of its History.
• Ranking: FIBA Ranking is not included in this work.
• Awards: The Article does not cite whether the Team had received governmental and institutional awards for winning international competitions.
• Fans: You did not write anything about Fans. You should cite their songs and their customs.
• Stadium: The Stadiums in which the Lithuanian Team played in its working History should be included in the work. You can even include about some facts that happened when playing in these international stadiums.
• Wear: You should expand the part about the wears of the Lithuanian Team. You can even include older wears.
• Video games: You should expand this part about Lituanian Team in NBA Live and involve some important references. You can also include the players represented in the video games.
• Cups: You should include some photos about how Lithuanian Players had received the FIBA Eurobasket
• Sponsors: You should include some photos about Sponsors. You have also to include some facts about how they sponsor Lithuanian Team, how the Lithuanian Players do some ads to these important sponsons and how their names are featured in the wear of the Lithuanian Players.

Yours Sincerely,

--Csisc (talk) 11:05, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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@Csisc: Thanks a lot for a such quick review! You provided some really interesting points for expanding!

• Coaches. Actually it already has a complete list of coaches here with their achievements mentioned.  Already done
•  Question: Records. This was a bit confusing. What did you meant by that? The list of the longest team's winning streaks? It could be done, but the national team's competitions have so few games that these streaks would be so short and also the team almost always suffered some defeats in the knockout stages, which quickly ended these streaks. The longest streak would be probably be from the EuroBasket 2003 when they won all 6 games. Though, the following competition (Athens 2004) games could be continued so it would reach bigger numbers. Although, in the other years the streaks would be <5 games, so I'm not sure if this really would be interesting. Most points scored players can be found here (7th column). Not sure if the youngest players list could be really that useful since they mostly had a very few influence in the game these years. Though, if that's really required - it could be easily done.  Partly done
•  Question: Ranking. I was thinking about this thing as well. Though, I'm unable to find any information about the ranking history. FIBA doesn't provide it in its page (or I'm unable to find it), so do all my known sources. Google/Wikipedia doesn't tell it either. It would be easy to do if I would get that information somehow. Wikipedia FIBA World Rankings history page has it only since 2007. Incomplete list probably would not work because the ranking was began to be calculated in 2000. Situation without solution...
• Awards. It has the government awards lists, but they would be too huge to include in the main page. They can be found at the "Main article" pages: FIBA World Championship 2010, EuroBasket 2013.  Already done
• Fans. It would be difficult to write something informative about it because it can be described in just a few sentences. First of all, they obviously wear the yellow-green-red clothes, often flies these flags (which I already provided in the article). The variety of chants is not so common among this team's fans. Mostly they just shout "LIE-TU-VA" (Lithuania in the native language). Sometimes they also sing the popular Lithuanian song "Ant kalno mūrai" short part together (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvkaSP-EGI). The crowd always sings the Lithuanian anthem before every national team's game loudly together (other countries fans does it as well, so that's not very unique). And there is a lot of them in every competition Lithuania participates in. I don't really think there really is anything more to tell about them. I think most of this information is obvious and doesn't really requires the individual section.  Done (remade one of the sections).
• Stadium. The Lithuania national basketball team does not have its own stadium/arena. Every year they just play friendly games in all the major Lithuanian arenas before championships.  Invalid
•  Question: Wear. It is really similar every year. Dark ones: green with yellow sides and white ones with green/yellow sides. It doesn't really change much like that. Though, I might try to do something about this, but I need more information about creating these jerseys. They are not simply uploaded like pictures to the Wikipedia, but they are similar to templates. Could you provide more information about how they are done?
• Video games. I doubt anything more could be told about it. The team's rosters are the same as the national team and there hardly are any significant/interesting references. Not sure.
•  Question: Cups. I would gladly do that, but there is no free pictures available anywhere. Would the use of the copyrighted ones qualify as fair use for such purpose? I failed to receive any answers about it from any moderators of that type files as they all simply ignored me.  Done (added the non-free historic images into the empty sections).
• Sponsors. Good idea. I will probably add the list of the general sponsors as their logos are printed on the team's jersey every year (under the text LIETUVA).  Done

Thanks again for the review,

-- Pofka (talk) 16:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Pofka,

I think that you have adjusted some facts. However, some changes should be done soon.

Records: If you want it, you can add a table of the records in which you write the name of the best player for each category. It can be useful for people who do not want to see all records.

Ranking: Involve the current ranking.

Wear: In the part dealing with wear, you should add something describing it.

Sponsors: you should expand this important part and include some other information like how the sponsors decided to support the Lithuanian Team and how it was announced to the media

Yours Sincerely,

--Csisc (talk) 10:08, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

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@Csisc:Thanks for more suggestions.

• Records. I am not sure if this would be really necessary because the records section doesn't really is very complex and it is possible to find everything you want easily. Addition of another table would duplicate some data.  Invalid
• Ranking. Done what I could by creating a new section. Older data is not accessible anywhere.  Done
• Wear. Done by greatly expanding one of the older sections ("Kit supplier").  Done
• Sponsors. Created a completely new section ("General sponsors") and provided all data I was able to find about this topic.  Done

Thanks again,

Pofka (talk) 13:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)