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I've listed this article for peer review because I believe it has the potential to become a GA and, if I dare risk sending such a controversial subject to FAC, an FA. A peer review is definitely needed first, however, to iron out any problems this article may have.
Thanks, Pyrrhus16 15:44, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: I think this is probably pretty close to GA, but would have some issues before it could pass FAC (contoversy aside). I also have some general questions on the name of the article, and the rules for inclusion. Here are some suggestions for improvement.
- I am not sure about the title. There are only two other articles with personal relationships in the title that I could find: Personal relationships of James I of England and Alexander the Great's personal relationships. While these are both about sexual relations, my problem with the title is the use of the phrase "personal relationships". It seems to me to be a broader term than just dating / sexual relations. I looked on Wikipedia and Personal relationship is a redirect to Interpersonal relationship, which is broader in scope than this. With this title, why aren't there sections on his reations with his family members or with Macaulay Culkin or Emmanuel Lewis?
- I see where you are coming from. A possible alternative title could be Michael Jackson's relationships and marriages, which is inline with Paul McCartney's relationships and marriages. However the "relationships" part of the title can include many things as well. Hmm, I'll ask around on this.
- The other concern I have is that there seems to be less material in the article on the whole sharing his bed with kids (especially boys) issue. If there is a large section on women with whom he had no or next to no physical contact with (Brooke Shields and Tatum ONeal), I can see someone arguing that there should be more on the children with whom he himself said he slept.
- I've added a bit about him sharing his bed into the allegations section.
- I also wonder about not including the allegations that Jackson was not the biological father of some or all or his children.
- Added into the Debbie Rowe aftermath section.
- No dabs or dead links, very nice alt text. I wonder if contactmusic.com is a WP:RS? Or NME?
- Will look into/replace.
- The ISBN here is wrong (copied from the previous book in the article): Taraborrelli, J. Randy (2004). The Magic and the Madness. Headline. ISBN 097497790X.
- Fixed.
- In the Diane Sawyer interview, didn't Lisa Marie explicitly say they had sex? Shouldn't that be in the article?
- Added.
- I thought it was pretty well done otherwise, but noticed a number of slightly awkward places that would benefit from a copyedit. A few examples follow:
- Once Presley had left the building, she returned to Los Angeles, from where she had come.
- "The female"??? in The female then proceeded to unbutton her blouse, ...
- To the father's disapproval and concern, the musician and the boy had become friends in May 1992.
- Mother Katherine was a devout Jehovah's Witness and conveyed her thoughts clear[ly]; lust in thought or deed was sinful and physical intimacy should be saved for marriage.
- Altered these.
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 05:58, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the review. :) Pyrrhus16 16:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Comments from Ealdgyth (talk · contribs)
- You said you wanted to know what to work on before taking to FAC, so I looked at the sourcing and referencing with that in mind. I reviewed the article's sources as I would at FAC.
- What makes the following reliable sources?
- Hope this helps. Please note that I don't watchlist Peer Reviews I've done. If you have a question about something, you'll have to drop a note on my talk page to get my attention. (My watchlist is already WAY too long, adding peer reviews would make things much worse.) 18:06, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
- Removed those links. Thanks. Pyrrhus16 18:22, 9 December 2009 (UTC)