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Ronnie Lee Gardner

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I've listed this article for peer review because incoming information has stabilized considerably as the subject is now deceased. I am interested in recommendations to promote this to good article status.

Thanks, KimChee (talk) 04:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jappalang
  • Dablinks (toolbox on the right of this peer review page) shows 2 disambiguation links; please fix them.
  •   Done
  • Checklinks shows 6 dead links; please fix them.
  •   It appears the only other online versions of these 3 articles are now behind pay portals. The links used to forward to newspaper scans in Google Archives that have since been taken down. There may be no other choice than to comment these links out and treat them as offline sources in good faith. KimChee (talk) 11:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   I am noting the dead links here before replacing them with alternate sources in the event the former do appear again:
  • Bernick Jr., Bob (1985-04-03). "Vickrey clears prison guards, says security will be studied". Deseret News. p. A1. Retrieved 2010-09-25.[dead link]
  • Spangler, Jerry (1985-04-03). "Sheriff blames layout of building". Deseret News. p. A1. Retrieved 2010-09-25.[dead link] (includes diagram of Gardner's April 2, 1985 escape attempt from the Metropolitan Hall of Justice)
  • Fidel, Steve (1987-10-29). "Gardner smashes door, barricades visiting room". Deseret News. p. A1. Retrieved 2010-09-25.[dead link] (includes diagram of Gardner's October 28, 1987 barricade of a Utah State Prison visiting room)
  •   Done

Life

  • "... born on January 16, 1961 in Salt Lake City, Utah."
    US format dates are also required to have commas at the end of the year.
  • See Comma (In dates): "This style is common in American English. Additionally, most style manuals, including The Chicago Manual of Style and the AP Stylebook, recommend that the year be treated as a parenthetical, requiring a second comma after it: 'Feb. 14, 1987, was the target date.'" Jappalang (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Done. I remember this style guide in college. It may as well be a religious text book.
  • "He was one of nine children born to Ruth Lucas. His father, Dan Gardner, was a heavy drinker who left [...] his mother's subsequent husband, Bill Lucas, while burgling homes."
    Were his parents married? Is his mother's maiden name Lucas as well? If not, please check because the sequence by names here is confusing.
  • I think it is a bit puzzling still... Might I suggest that "... born in Salt Lake City, Utah. His father, Dan Gardner, was a heavy drinker who left the family while Ronnie was a toddler and told him that he was not his son. His mother, Ruth, divorced the elder Gardner and later married Bill Lucas. Gardner was raised by his sister, 8 years his senior. ..." Jappalang (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... and molested by his older brother."
    The article reports this as fact. The source states "Gardner has said an older brother molested him." This is a serious allegation that should be backed up by high-quality sources per Wikipedia's policy on biographies; I do not think Gardner's claims should be stated as fact. Jappalang (talk) 02:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Done.
  • "Jack Statt became a foster parent to Gardner and one of his brothers in 1975,"
    Who exactly is Statt? Why and how did he become their foster parent? There should be a better way to introduce him.
  •   Done
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  • "Psychology professor Dr. Craig Haney stated that his mother asked the hospital staff to sterilize her because she was overwhelmed by her parental responsibilities."
    Is this necessary? Jappalang (talk) 01:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   I think the professor was trying to paint a picture explaining why Gardner's mother was unable to parent him properly. I can see how the sentence placement is a bit awkward — if you think this section still communicates everything it needs to without this detail, I can live without it. KimChee (talk) 11:56, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I edited the section a bit, removing the above the sentence. I also removed the link to alcoholism (from heavy drinking) since alcoholism is an addiction that should be outright stated in the source. Jappalang (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Murders

  • "... he shot bartender Melvyn Otterstrom in the nostril,"
    I have a hard time imagining this. Where did the bullet end up?
  • "According to fellow attorney Robert Macri, Gardner initially ..."
    Gardner is an attorney?
  • "Darcy Perry McCoy found unarmed and arrested about a mile away."
    I think a word is missing here.
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Sentencing and incarceration

  • "... because he was upset that he was required to wear a leg brace that would lock if he attempted to escape again."
    Repetitive "... that ... that ..."
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  • "The jurors deliberated less than three hours on the same day to find Gardner guilty of capital murder."
    I think "The jurors deliberated less than three hours and found Gardner guilty of capital murder." would be better; the above sentence seem to imply that they planned to find the man guilty.
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  • "... but grandfathered it for convicts ..."
    "Grandfather" as a verb is informal, not suitable for an encylopaedia.
  •   Done
  • "... Utah state representative Dan Tuttle (D-Magna) ..."
    Why the subscript?
  •   Done
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  • "On March 3, 2001, the Metropolitan Hall of Justice, the building faulted with the escape attempt that led to Burdell's murder and Gardner's own death sentence, was itself demolished."
    Does this matter to the subject at hand (Gardner) in a critical sense? One does not fault a building (a non-living entity which cannot take responsibility for any event), nor can it do wrong.
  •   The escape led the sheriff and the state to evaluate the building and conclude it had serious security problems because of its inherent layout. Here is the problem: this article was once hosted on Google Archives and mysteriously vanished. Hopefully, it will come back. KimChee (talk) 03:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Done. I found different sources and expanded this into a paragraph more clearly relating Gardner's influence on the development of the security measures of the new replacement courthouse, which makes the mention of the demolition of the old one fit more logically. KimChee (talk) 10:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Defense motions

  • "Lawyers and medical experts in Gardner's defense argued whether meningitis contracted at the age 4 had damaged Gardner's brain. He had also huffed gas and glue with his siblings, and played with mercury stolen from gas meters by his stepfather to sell."
    This is all too sudden here. Why should these not be in the Life section? Or are they simply concoctions substantiated only by his defense?
  • "Deputy Salt Lake County attorney Bob Stott said that McCoy would not be prosecuted because Gardner, the only witness, was going to be executed anyway."
    This sentence (particularly the ending) reads quite informal to me.
  •   Done
  • "... he signed off on the execution on Twitter:"
    "... he signed off the execution on Twitter:"?
  •   Done

Death penalty debate

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  • "Rev. David Henry ..."
    What is "Rev."? See above about abbreviation.
  •   Done

Execution

  • "The Utah Department of Corrections prepared documentation for Gardner about dying by firing squad and lethal injection along with records of the training and expertise of the execution team. His attorney Andrew Parnes agreed to personally relay the information without showing the actual documents to Gardner or anyone else."
    Suggestion: "The Utah Department of Corrections provided Gardner with documentation for his own perusal about executions by firing squad and lethal injection. They also gave him records of the execution team's training and expertise. These documents were relayed to Gardner by his attorney."
  • "... 12:15 a.m. MDT ..."
    What is MDT? See above about abbreviation.
  •   Done
  • "... at Utah State Prison in Draper, Utah."
    It would be weird if the state prison is not in Utah, so why not "... at the state prison in Draper, Utah."?
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  • "... five anonymous volunteers who were certified police officers who stood about 25 feet from the target."
    Repetitive "... who ... who ...".
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  • "His dark blue jumpsuit made it difficult to see the blood pooling at his waist. A medical examiner removed Gardner's hood to reveal his ashen face."
    Does this seem to be a bit too detailed, more suitable for newspapers than an encyclopaedia? Jappalang (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After the lack of pulse at the neck and pupillary light reflex were verified, Gardner was pronounced dead at 12:17 a.m. by the medical examiner."
    Active voice: "After verifying Gardner's lack of pulse at the neck and pupillary light reflex, the medical examiner pronounced his death at 12:17 a.m."
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Sources

  • While this is stricken, I question whether we should identify his family. They (non-notable subjects) might not like their relationship with Gardner made even more explicit. Jappalang (talk) 02:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Images

  • File:Mathesoncourthouse.jpg: lacks the customary assertion of authorship (e.g. "own work", "uploaded by photographer/me", or "I took this photo"); I have asked the uploader to help on this (hopefully he would be on to help).[2]
  •   Done. I found an alternate image of the courthouse that is clearly CC/free, though the other photo is still better. I can switch back if the uploader responds later. and wrote a new caption that fits this photo. KimChee (talk) 04:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC) / 10:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the lead, I thought there would be more wrangling by the subject, the authorities, and the church over the issue of blood atonement, criminal tendencies and such. However, those seem quite inconsequential... Is there really no more that can be reported of? That aside, I found the language here to be pretty good. Jappalang (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you, this process has been very helpful. I was previously concerned of coatracking, but will look into the suggestions, though outside coverage of this subject has slowed down considerably. KimChee (talk) 23:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Coatracking is when the focus shifts to another subject. I am more concerned for events that relate to Gardner's case (and not attempts to bring the subjects into general focus); i.e. was Gardner's claim of blood atonement justified (whether it fulfills the tenets of Mormonism), what disputes of "criminal tendencies", centered on Gardner, were brought up during the trials, etc. Details of theories and their validity should not be in this article (this article should not validate or dispute them). Jappalang (talk) 02:30, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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