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Shinhwa discography

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I've listed this article for peer review because I would like to bring it to FL status and so it can be used as a standard for other Korean pop discographies. I'd particularly like comments on the clarity of chart citation methods in a country whose chart has changed over the years and which has no centralized place for an artist's chart history.

Thanks, Shinyang-i (talk) 21:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Peer review by Rationalobserver

Lead

• two prestigious Daesang (lit. "grand prize") awards

I would clarify that "grand prize" is an English translation of a Korean word, which might seem self-evident, but still is a good idea.

• Avex Trax released three greatest hits compilations in Japan and one in Taiwan.

This seems to conflict with the totals detailed in the first paragraph; e.g., "One greatest hits compilation, My Choice, was released in 2002 in South Korea".

• four-year hiatus of Shinhwa's group activities, as five of the six group members

Copyedit to avoid saying group twice here.

• "idol group"

Maybe I'm getting old, but what's an "idol group"?

Compilation

• You list 6 albums there, but, unless I miscounted, the lead only mentions four.

EPs

• Aren't EPs considered albums here? If so, are they included in the albums total?

Singles

• Being the English language Wikipedia, I wondered if the non-English names should be in parenthesis rather than the English translation.

Other songs charted

• I think "Other charted songs" is better syntax.

Conclusion

This all looks pretty tight. There might be some room for clarifying the totals, and there might be issues with the English versus non-English names, but overall I can find little to be concerned about. Rationalobserver (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your comments, @Rationalobserver:!! It's much appreciated! Regarding your feedback:

• I added a Korean language template - is it more clear now?
• I tried to reword things. The various greatest hits releases are discussed chronologically and based on location (1 in Korea, 3 in Japan, 1 in Taiwan). Is it clear?
• Done.
• The term is now wikilinked; until now I had no idea such an article existed, so thank you for the education!
• I had included a box set in the compilation albums table, yielding 6 entries; I have now broken it out into its own table. The lead mentions 5 compilations, which I hope is more clear now. Thanks for the catch!
• I changed the heading level for the EPs table to be its own section; EPs are considered EPs consistently (I hope) throughout.
• I'm always torn on this issue. Most of these songs don't actually have both a Korean and an English name. The English name is usually a translation I (or someone) did; as such it's not official and may vary from person to person. Some titles also contain, in their original form, both English and Korean. I want to be clear about what each title actually is, but maybe there's a standardized way of doing this which I don't know about. I will do some around-the-'pedia research on this issue. This is a good point.
• Another lovely editor made this change.

Again, thank you so much for taking the time to review. I'd love further feedback, if you're so inclined. I've been off-'pedia for a while, so I apologize for the lag. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:19, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Comments from MJ94

• The first thing I noticed when reading the article is that it really needs to be broken down into sections. In the first paragraph, I really like how well-formatted and thorough it is. I would definitely recommend that this paragraph should be the lede and that the other paragraphs should be split off into their appropriate sections.
• The second large chunk of text could possibly be moved into a section titled "History" or something similar. This would allow for you to break up the large wall of text and just focus on the group's history together, like this particular paragraph (or chunk of text) seems to be doing. The phrase "Shinhwa moved to Good EMG, a small and then relatively unknown agency" is a bit ambiguous. In this context, I believe that you are trying to say that the group's record label changed to Good EMG upon expiration of their original contract with SM Entertainment, correct? If so, I think it would be best to make that a bit more explicit with that wording. Looking at those record labels, I notice that SM Entertainment does not have a wikilink. If it's notable and has an article on Wikipedia, I think it would be a good idea to add one here. In regards to Good EMG, the article says that it was "a small and then-relatively unknown agency." Who is saying that it was relatively unknown and by what standards?
• "Shinhwa released their first album under Good EMG, Winter Story, in late 2003". It's probably not too important, but I'd put "titled" before "Winter Story."
• "Winter Story was the first of four albums Shinhwa would eventually release under Good EMG with "Winter Story" in the titles." I don't think it is necessary to say "under Good EMG" as we have already established that the band has a new record label at this point. Maybe you can give examples of other albums with "Winter Story" in them here?
• The fact that Winter Story albums are considered special releases and not usually counted when assigning ordinals to their studio album released is very interesting and is a nice addition to the article.
• Remove "The year" from the paragraph that begins with "The year 2008".
• The last paragraph is very interesting to me. It is neat that they started their own company to oversee the band. I also find it very interesting that they are one of the only Korean pop artists who continue to release full-length albums instead of EPs and maxi-singles. Even cooler, they are considered the longest-running "idol group" in Korea.

@Shinyang-i: I really enjoyed reading your work and can tell that you put a lot of effort into writing about Shinhwa. Great job! Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, or concerns by leaving me a message here or on my talk page. I hope you found my review useful. Best, MJ94 (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, @MJ94:! I really appreciate the useful feedback! Regarding your observations:

• From what I've observed of featured discographies, a lead like this - which is basically a mini-chronology of releases - is a norm. I've never seen a discog with additional prose sections, as Shinhwa has its own article. I think I may be misunderstanding you, so if it's not too much trouble can you explain again?
• SM Entertainment is wikilinked in the first paragraph already. I removed the comment about Good EMG until a source can be found; it's not vital info.
• Done.
• Hmmm. The Winter Story releases are pretty minor in terms of Shinhwa's history, and since I don't explicitly name each album/EP in the lead, I feel it would put undue emphasis on the Winter Story albums if I named more of them. They are called exciting stuff like Winter Story 2004-2005 and Winter Story 2007. I will try to think of a way to reword it to include more information but not actually list out the names.
• I'm glad my explanation was clear! Korean artists make a big deal about each album's "number". For instance, their recent release, We, was called their 12th album everywhere in the media. It's confusing because it's not their 12th album, ha ha.
• Done.
• I'm glad the info didn't seem extraneous. Thank you!

Thanks again for your helpful comments and for taking the time to review. If it's not too much trouble, I'd love additional feedback. Sorry for the long lag since I posted this; I've been off-'pedia for a bit. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)