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The Veronicas discography

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I've listed this article for peer review because I have expanded the article and updated the tables and sources. I would like to know what else I need to add to the page as I want to make this a featured article. Thanks in advance, DonEd (talk) 08:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Peer review

Started by–shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

1. You probably want to aim for a Featured List (FL) rather than a Featured Article.
2. Check existing [[Category:FL-Class_Discography_articles]], especially recently assessed ones.
3. Did you use the Toolbox? Check them all: it'll save time later.

Note: unless otherwise indicated, maintain existing formatting &/or wikilinkage.

4. Use unbreakable space between words that should be wrapped together. e.g. top five
5. Give acronym, by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) at first appearance. Tells casual reader what ARIA Awards and ARIA Charts relates to.
6. also won an ARIA Music Award for Best Pop Release in 2006 > also won Best Pop Release at the ARIA Music Awards of 2006 Note: changed wikilink.
7. New Zealand and peaked in the top forty of countries such as Italy, > New Zealand, and peaked in the top forty in Italy, reduces wordiness.
8. UK and number twelve on the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart. > UK and number twelve on the Billboard Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles chart. Note: delinked Billboard – its found in the Bubbling Under page – reducing overlinkage.
9. for the 2005 ARIA Music Awards in the Best Breathrough Artist Single category > at the ARIA Music Awards of 2005 for Breathrough Artist – Single. Fixed wikilink, 'Best' is not used in the category title, endash used between Artist and Single.
10. for over 75,000 sopies sold. > for over 70,000 copies shipped.
11. The following single, "Revolution", reached the top twenty in Australia and the final single from the album, "Leave Me Alone", peaked in the top fifty of the ARIA Singles Chart.[1] > The next single, "Revolution", reached the top twenty on the ARIA Singles Chart and the final single from the album, "Leave Me Alone", peaked in the top fifty.[1]
12. In 2007 they released their sophomore album Hook Me Up > In 2007 they released their second album Hook Me Up Maintain existing formatting & wikilinks. Sophomore is not commonly used in Australian English.
13. The first single off the album of the same title reached number-one in Australia becoming their first number-one single, and achieving platinum status. > The lead single, "Hook Me Up", became their first Australian number one and achieved platinum status. Note changes to wikilink & formatting.
14. The single topped the Irish charts while reaching the top five in countries such as > It topped the Irish charts while reaching the top five in
15. Delink United States: its a common term.
16. both reached the top ten in Australia, making it their third and fourth consecutive top tens in the country, and also achieving Gold status. > became their third and fourth consecutive top ten Australian hits and both achieved Gold status.
17. nominated at the 2008 ARIA Music Awards for Best Pop Release, Highest Selling Singles and Highest Selling Album. > nominated at the ARIA Music Awards of 2008 for Best Pop Release, Highest Selling Single and Highest Selling Album. Changed wikilink.

I've done a quick run-through of the Lead. I may come back to it later. Next I'll tackle the wikitables.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 12:10, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

General comment: in your wikitables, as much as possible, for same or similarly named columns try to make them the same size and style.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:12, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

18. Peak charts for some markets are in later years? If so, note(s) to that effect should be supplied per album.
19. Delink overlinkage of AUS in the body of the table (last two columns) – leave first appearance but delete other(s).
20. Fix link pipe on US in body, first appearance should go to Record Industry Association of America. Second or subsequent appearances should be delinked.
21. Cite source for WW sales.
22. Lead tells me they are signed with Sire Records, why do I find a release by Pony Canyon? While talking about Sire, its affiliation with Warner Music should be mentioned in Lead too.
23. While talking about the compilation, the Pony Canyon website implies the album title is merely Complete by The Veronicas not The Veronicas Complete. See here. This is supported by eil.com, a resale website, here. The release does not appear at their MusicBrainz entry, here. I can't find mention of this album title on their official website. This needs to be fixed and the article The Veronicas Complete may need to be renamed if its title is only Complete.
24. Delink second & later linked terms.
25. First two EPs appear to be live recordings, a note is needed.
26. In singles table delink previously linked album titles.
27. Couldn't find The Veronicas' "4Ever" on Billboard website. So you need a ref for 112 position.
28. Soundtrack appearances: "Us Against The World" > "Us Against the World"
29. Music videos: some directors still needed.
30. Version > version Seven times.
31. / > : (colon with a space after) or / (space before and after slash).
32. "Take Me On The Floor" > "Take Me on the Floor" Twice.
33. Song writers should be verified by searching Australasian Performing Right Association website at Works Search e.g. "What's Going On?" was co-written by the twins with Bernholm and Johansson. Co-writers should be acknowledged in a note. You should change intro sentence > Apart from their own music they have also written or co-written songs for other artists. Note: I haven't checked all of these song titles.
34. Written for Casey Donovan for her debut album after winning the second series of Australian Idol.[51] > Written for Casey Donovan's debut album after she won the second series of Australian Idol.[51] Clarifies who won Australian Idol.
35. Luske Steele > Luke Steele Also fix wiki pipe to Luke Steele (musician).
36. when they were 17. > when the twins were about 17. Source does not definitively say they were 17. Without clarification 'they' could mean Luke was 17 too. Also other co-writer(s) needed.

shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

References Comments and numbers relate to the References section & ordering that existed on 14:42, 10 February 2011. Subsequent edits may change the order or the references themselves.

1. <ref name="Australian-charts">[http://www.australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?key=33095&cat=a "The Veronicas - Australian Chart Positions"]. ''Australian-charts.com''. Retrieved 22 April 2008.</ref> Some problems here: the current url points to The Secret Life Of... with its charting outside Australia, the album's track listing and chart trajectory displayed before getting to Australian charts for singles and albums. A better url is [http://www.australian-charts.com/showinterpret.asp?interpret=The+Veronicas "Discography The Veronicas"] The publisher is Hung Medien. The work is Australian charts portal. Update Retrieved date, otherwise "This Love", "Take Me on the Floor" or "Popular" are not verified.
2. Similar problems to [1]
3. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-year.php?year=2006|title=2006: 19th Annual ARIA Awards|publisher=Aria Awards.com|accessdate=22 July 2008}}</ref> > <ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.ariaawards.com.au/history-by-year.php?year=2006 | title = ARIA Awards 2010 : History: Winners by Year: 2006: 20th Annual ARIA Awards | publisher = [[Australian Recording Industry Association]] (ARIA) | accessdate = 22 July 2008 }}</ref>
4. <ref name="Accreditations a 2006">[http://www.aria.com.au/pages/ARIACharts-Accreditations-2006Albums.htm "ARIA Charts - Accreditations - 2006 Albums"]. ''[[Australian Recording Industry Association|ARIA]]''. Retrieved 22 April 2008.</ref> > <ref name="Accreditations a 2006">[http://www.aria.com.au/pages/ARIACharts-Accreditations-2006Albums.htm "ARIA Charts – Accreditations – 2006 Albums"]. Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA). Retrieved 22 April 2008.</ref> Note change to formatting: no wikilink for Australian Recording Industry Association (previously linked), no italics for publisher, hyphens to endashes in title.
5. Fix title, Retrieved date.
6. <ref name="U.S. chart position">{{cite web|url=http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3065447&cdi=8581859&cid=04%2F08%2F2006|title=U.S. chart position|work=[[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]]|accessdate=9 July 2007 |archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20070929174842/http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3065447&cdi=8581859&cid=04/08/2006 <!-- Bot retrieved archive --> |archivedate = 29 September 2007}}</ref> > <ref name="U.S. chart position">{{Cite web | url = http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3065447&cdi=8581859&cid=04%2F08%2F2006 | title = Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles – "4Ever" | work = [[Billboard (magazine)|Billboard]] | publisher = [[Nielsen Company|Nielson Business Media Inc]] | date = 8 April 2006 | accessdate = 13 February 2011 | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20070929174842/http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3065447&cdi=8581859&cid=04/08/2006 | archivedate = 29 September 2007 }}</ref>
7. See [3] for similar. Don't wikilink publisher this time.
8. See [4] for similar.
9. <ref name=eincharts>Everything I'm Not charts. [http://australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Veronicas&titel=Everything+I%27m+Not&cat=s THE VERONICAS - EVERYTHING I'M NOT (SONG)] ''australian-charts.com''. Accessed 23 November 2009.</ref> > <ref name=eincharts>[http://australian-charts.com/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Veronicas&titel=Everything+I%27m+Not&cat=s The Veronicas – "Everything I'm Not" (song)] ''Australian charts portal''. Hung Medien. Accessed 13 February 2011.</ref>
10. Similar to [9].
11. Similar to [4].
12. Similar to [5], take care with album title: italics needed.
13. Delink Billboard, already linked. Problems with url: is this a dead link? Try archive copy ala [6].
14. Similar to [4].
15. Similar to [5].
16. Author? Date? Publisher not italicised.
17. Needs to be replaced by more authoritative ref: ARIA itself. See [3] for similar.
18. <ref name="Ultratop">[http://www.ultratop.be/nl/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Veronicas&titel=4ever&cat=s "The Veronicas - Belgium Chart Positions"]. ''Ultratop.be''. Retrieved 16 September 2008.</ref> > <ref name="Ultratop">[http://www.ultratop.be/nl/showinterpret.asp?interpret=The+Veronicas "Discografie The Veronicas"]. ''Belgian charts portal''. [[Ultrapop]], Hung Medien. Retrieved 13 February 2011. Note: Some information in [[Dutch language|Dutch]].</ref>
19. Why is the US Billboard Hot 200 used to ref Canadian positions? Chart position of 57 not substantiated.
20. Doesn't give Irish charting: appears to be Australian. Needs to be fixed.
21. Similar to [18] but needs more work. Language is Swiss German
22. For UK positions OCC is preferred, for historical charts see archive.
23. Similar to [4].
24. Change url to this to prevent print window appearing, this one also shows Key for Gold symbol. After publisher provide acronym (RIANZ).
25. Similar to [4].
26. Use RIANZ for NZ accreditations, see here. Similar to [24] but don't link publisher this time.
27. <ref>{{cite web|url=http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=457379 |title=The Veronicas Complete Japan Double CD (457379) |publisher=eil.com |accessdate=6 January 2011}}</ref> > <ref>{{Cite web | url = http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=457379 | title = The Veronicas ''Complete'' Japan Double CD (457379) | publisher = Esprit International Limited (EIL) | accessdate = 6 January 2011 }}</ref>
28. Seems OK.
29. Wrong title. Wrong publisher. May be unreliable. Curiously there's no mention of this title at MTV's own site, see here for albums.
30. Seems OK.
31. Irish Recorded Music Association site for current charting. Wrong place?
32. Similar to [18] but needs more work. Language is Dutch.
33. Generic Billboard page: does not go to expected chart.
34. Similar to [4].
35. Similar to [24], but url needs to be fixed to go to correct historical chart and not current one.
36. Similar to [1].
37. Seems OK.
38. Seems OK.
39. Ref needs expansion: title of chart, page no., publisher, date, accessdate, format.
40. Similar to [39].
41. Fix title, e.g. DVD and CD.
42. Similar to [4].
43. Similar to [41], don't wikilink publisher here.
44. Author name. Reliability of this source is questioned by some reviewers.
45. Expand ref. How does a typical user find the director information here?
46. Expand ref. Fix url to go to relevant director instead of generic intro. May need to try an archive site or find a new ref.
47. Expand ref. Site also gives Cameron for "Take Me on the Floor", Hales for "When It All Falls Apart", Meyers for "4Ever" version 2, and Kern & Petty for "4Ever" version 1.
48. Can't find ref. PDF does not load.
49. Official website: not reliable? Expand ref.
50. Actual source is Official website: a press release. Clearly says Reuters not responsible for the content. Expand / fix ref.
51. I get re-directed, it is difficult to find the citation, casual users may need further direction or a better url. Not sure if the MTV biography is based on the Allmusic biography or vice versa but they are very similar. Allmusic does not specify song title for Donovan's work. As indicated earlier, APRA gives the song's writers (including the twins, Bernholm and Johansson) and its performers (including Donovan). Together with Allmusic biography, the claim is verified.
52. Expand ref. Supports Donovan's song and DeAraugo's song.
53. Discogs is not reliable. APRA confirms Cascada and DeAraugo perform this. Other co-writers needed in a note.
54. Expand / fix ref. Author, date, publisher and owner.

Other appearances? According to Allmusic, as Lisa & Jessica, they released three albums: I can't find the names of these. As members of Teal they released a single, "Baby Its Over", which has also been performed by The Veronicas (see APRA). Some of their song writing for others occurred before they were renamed as The Veronicas.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:57, 13 February 2011 (UTC)