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The Beatles genres

The Beatles genres were so many because they were so creative they were Rock, pop rock, psychedelic rock, experimental rock, rock and roll, Classical and Hard Rock. But here on Wikipedia they are only listed as rock and pop. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jongudni (talk • contribs) 01:25, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

The place to discuss this is not the Reference Desk, but Talk:The Beatles. However, it looks like it's been discussed before and there is some consensus for the current version; see the "Archives" section of that talk page. Talk:The Beatles/Archive 20#Pop before Rock? is the most recent page in the archives in which various editors make proposals for changing the lead and run into some resistance from other editors who have had the same discussion before. Nothing is set in stone, of course, and editors can always reach a WP:CONSENSUS on the talk page to change anything and everything. Tempshill (talk) 03:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

There is also an ongoing discussion about completely removing genres from bands. The Beatles are not remotely unique in that they changed genres over time. Most bands that last as long (or longer) than the Beatles tend to change genres. Listing them all is mainly original research, not documented and referenced information. Until there is some official genre indicator for all bands, the debate about what genre each band should be listed as will continue. -- kainaw™ 12:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Even as a devout Beatles fan, I am unable to discern a specific genre for them. TBH, I thought we'd gotten rid of that field. They were obviously rock'n'roll at the beginning, but they diverged toward the end. If I had to give them a category, I'd make a new genre called "Beatlesque" and lump them in it with oasis and all he other tribute bands. Dendodge _T\^C 23:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

That's true, and it's really the case with any band who created a lot of material and who didn't just repeat themselves. It's a pointless excercise to try to categorize The Beatles, or any band who wrote a variety of songs, as anything other than a rock & roll band. Their catalog is their genre. —Kevin Myers 03:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

film discussion (Cheaper by the dozen)

According to the film Cheaper by the dozen I&Cheaper by the dozen II,

If you could choose, which family (Baker or Murtaugh) is you want to be a child in it?Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dansonncf (talk • contribs) 08:04, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

This sounds like you're asking for people's personal opinions. Which isn't really what the Ref Desk is for... --Dweller (talk) 12:06, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Songs about money

I am looking for a song(s) that is blatantly about money but do not know where to look. It can be any genre and should err on the side of appropriateness. I am not looking for opinion, but rather a list of fitting songs whether you like them or not. I want something similar to For the Love of Money however that is too well known being The Apprentice theme and all. The song(s) needs to be available for purchase specifically from iTunes store. I am trying to point out through the theme of the song that life is essentially about money and buying things. Any help either offering song selections or where to look would be appreciated.--71.165.84.18 (talk) 23:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

(I'm sure The Apprentice's theme tune is neither soul nor funk, but what do I know?). I did a quick Google search and the result was [1]. That sounds promising. The first 2 that spring to mind are "Money (That's What I Want)" and "You Never Give Me Your Money", but—as Beatles tracks—they are not available via iTunes. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, Dendodge _T\^C 23:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

How about C.R.E.A.M. by the Wu Tang Clan? You can use that piano line for a motif, and there's a funk/jazz version by the El Michels Affair that you could use for background music or similar, too. (first post, how do I attach my name to the end here?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roydisco (talk • contribs) 23:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

I remember from my youth, hearing It's A Rich Man's World a fair amount on the radio.

Edit - I recalled the song, but not the actual title, which is Money, Money, Money by Abba. I also remember a "Mony, Mony" song, or something like that, but really don't know if I ever heard it right, and heard it less; i actually remember Weird Al's parody Alimony more.Somebody or his brother (talk) 23:45, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Money (That's What I Want), Money (Pink Floyd song), Money Don't Matter 2 Night and Money Changes Everything are some of the more obvious ones. 23:55, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Gold Digger, Mo Money Mo Problems, Can't Buy Me Love, ... --Jayron32.talk.contribs 00:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think "Mony Mony" is about money. —Tamfang (talk) 20:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes! I actually own Can't Buy Me Love and I did not even think about that. The theme of the song is probably the closest to what I actually could use (think economics concepts). But keep the suggestions rolling if anyone else can think of any other songs. The more the merrier.--71.165.84.18 (talk) 02:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Life's Been Good by Joe Walsh is pretty much along these lines as well. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 02:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"What God Wants Part II" by Roger Waters. They lyrics include

"God wants dollars

God wants cents

God wants pounds shillings and pence

...

God wants escudos

God wants pesetas

Don't send lira

God don't want small potatoes

Dismas|^(talk) 02:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Money for Nothing by Dire Straits. Rmhermen (talk) 03:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Here are 115 songs about Money. (What an embarrassment of riches!) -- JackofOz (talk) 03:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

And Blue Suede Shoes starts out "Well, it's one for the money ...". -- JackofOz (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Mo Money Mo Problems by Notorious Big is good if you want to make the point that more money brings with it problems too. Or Loadsamoney by Harry Enfield, which was a brief hit in the 80s and is horrifically bad. 194.221.133.226 (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

This site (http://divisionoflabour.com/music/) might be useful for seeking economic concepts in songs; check the keywords down the right-hand side. --Roydisco (talk) 09:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Money by Pink Floyd, Easy money by Billy Joel are two I can think of off the top of my head. 65.121.141.34 (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The first of those has already been mentioned. Dismas|^(talk) 16:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Rich Girl by Gwen Stefani. Money by Jelleestone, about whom we do not seem to have an article. Adam Bishop (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

How could I have forgotton one of Paul McCartney's silly coin songs? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"Money" as sung by the inimitable conferencier Joel Grey (and girls) and Liza Minnelli in Cabaret. "That clinking clanking sound ..." ---Sluzzelin talk 18:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC) I must have somehow confuddled it with "Two Ladies", apologies to the Magnificent Ms. Minnelli. ---Sluzzelin talk 11:25, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

How about All 'Bout the Money by Meja? Oda Mari (talk) 18:28, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"I Wanna Be Rich" by Calloway. Mike R (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

"The Money Song" by Monty Python? Although it may be a bit outdated singing about Francs, Lira etc. Last Polar Bear (talk) 08:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I got you all beat: "Gimme Some Money" by Spinal Tap. :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

What? There's no sports- or gamesmanship going on here, We're Only in It for the Money. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

King of the Road (song) by Roger Miller is pretty much about (the lack of) money. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 19:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)