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November 18

Reliable sources for “Chief Wiggum” as a character

I’m finding tons of false positives while looking for detailed sources about The Simpson’s Chief Wiggum, any leads? Gleeanon409 (talk) 01:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

What info are you looking for ? I would think the episodes featuring him would be the best refs for basic biographical data, as much as it is defined at all. (I know they gave his first name as Clancy, and his "special" son's name is Ralph, but I don't recall them listing his wife's name.) SinisterLefty (talk) 01:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Non-primary sources at least. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

We have an article on Chief Wiggum, with some references you could follow. (And his wife's name is Sarah). Matt Deres (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I’m looking for more, and better sources, to add to the article. Gleeanon409 (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

That article is being discussed for deletion. There's no question the character exists. The question is whether he merits his own article. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

I think that may be the point, to find sources that show the character has been discussed in depth and out of universe. 2602:306:CE95:57B0:46B:A6B1:CDF3:A041 (talk) 11:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Bake 'em away, toys. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:13, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

The AfD closed, but if anyone finds something not used in the article I’ll try to use it. Gleeanon409 (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Hfuhruhurr

User:86.132.221.234 asked this question at Talk:The Man with Two Brains two years ago but never got an answer. So I'm reasking it here.

What, if anything, is the connection between this Hfuhruhurr (Michael Hfuhruhurr, played by Steve Martin) and the one mentioned in Hfuhruhurr? JIP | Talk 12:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The movie is a comedy, and the name sounds funny. --Jayron32 12:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Since the movie (1983) predates the appearance in the comics (1987), presumably the comics copied the name. The chances of them having independently come up with that name twice seem remote. If we assumed 10 random letters, that would give us 10²⁶ possibilities, although most of those are presumably unpronounceable (not that that stopped comics from using the name Mxyzptlk). SinisterLefty (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

TvTropes (Not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards) seems to think that the comic character was inspired by the Steve Martin movie: [1]. IMDB (also not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards) says the same: [2]. I can't find any other sources better than those, however. --Jayron32 17:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Castle bridges in Beauty and the Beast (1991)

There appears to be at least two castle bridges in the 1991 film: the northern one, from which Maurice enters the castle in the beginning, and the western one, using the castle's west wing as a reference point. The western one is also possibly the same which Gaston and his party pass during the final fight (if it's not the third bride). The bridges could also be distinguished by different entrance doors. However, there's always only one bridge seen adjacent to the castle. Is it just an internal inconsistency or something else? 212.180.235.46 (talk) 23:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Since it is a work of fiction, and an animated one at that, you should always start with the presumption that any continuity errors are made because the people making the film didn't try to avoid them; it was something they didn't consider important to telling the narrative. --Jayron32 13:02, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Which 212.180 acknowledged by saying "is it just an internal inconsistency...", yes? --76.69.116.4 (talk) 02:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

It was a question. I believe I provided an answer. The problem is a continuity error. --Jayron32 13:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

You provided an assumption. The OP asked whether it was the correct assumption. --76.69.116.4 (talk) 07:28, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the OP should ask the creators of the cartoon. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:34, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Several web pages (like this one for example) suggest that the castle was inspired by the Château de Chambord, one of the Châteaux of the Loire Valley, which only has one bridge because the moat is just for ornament and doesn't go all the way around (on further comparison, it also lacks the vertiginous chasms of the Disney version, so probably not all that helpful). Alansplodge (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

I also found this plan of the Beauty and the Beast castle with only one bridge, but whether it came from the Disney studio or was drawn by a fan, I cannot tell. Alansplodge (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2019 (UTC)