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Barbie princess pauper

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie_as_the_Princess_and_the_Pauper I know that classic is opinionated and a word that's chucked around a lot and I used to ask a lot of questions about it on here however I've given that up. One day I was on here looking at barbie film and it turns out its classic. It's a word that is arguable on whether its a classic or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:7427:6B00:2D82:A885:55F2:C5D2 (talk) 12:13, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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What is the musical instrument on "Eye of the Tiger"?

I would have said a bass guitar, but there is also a bass guitar with low notes less frequently than what I would call the lead instrument, which has very frequent very short notes.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

All I hear is bass, electric guitar, drums, and piano. And judging by the instruments shown at about the 1:25 mark, I think I'm right. †dismas†|^(talk) 22:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm thinking the very fast guitar is not the one played more slowly later.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 23:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

• OK, the opening "chugga chugga" is an electric guitar played with palm muting. There's the big "zhooooop" that comes in at about 8-9 seconds that's a backwards piano chord. And then there's the "DUN...DUN DUN DUN" big part that comes in after that, which is the other electric guitar, piano, bass, and drums all playing together. Then the drum goes to the straight rock groove, and the lead guitar takes the main riff, while the bass goes to quarter notes on the root of the chord. The lead guitar drops out for a measure, and then there's an eighth note pickup where the piano plays that one chord before the vocals come in with the "Rising up". The bass and drums keep the same groove throughout, bass playing quarter notes and drums playing the simple "kick-snare-kick-snare" pattern. The bass does play a little lick at the end of some measures for some flavor, and the drums play occasional fills after every verse section. That's about it. Other than the backwards piano chord bit, there's nothing too complex or weird. Just a straight 4/4 rock groove with the bass playing quarter notes, the "chugga-chugga" rhythm guitar playing palm muted chords, the piano adding some accents, and the lead guitar playing the main riffs and solos. Not sure which instrument you were looking for, but that's all of them. --Jayron32 12:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

With that analysis did you notice the bad cut that left an extra note in the intro? It isn't an obvious cut in mp3 format, but in vinyl, the splice is more noticeable. I've always assumed the editor miscounted and cut one note too late. 135.84.167.41 (talk) 13:37, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I had not noticed that, perhaps I will give it a listen and see if I can find it. --Jayron32 14:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

It is the very beginning. It goes (if you are counting beats): 1 . 3&4 1&2 3&4... 1 . 3&4 1&2 x 3&4... The 'x' is where there is an extra beat. However, when I taught high school back in the 80s and our marching band played the song, they didn't include the 5-beat measure. They played it as a standard 4-beat measure, omitting the extra beat. 135.84.167.41 (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I just listened to it, and I only heard the "DUN DUN DUN" chords delayed at that point x, not where you'd expect them, but not breaking the 4/4 beat. The intro stays within the 4/4 beat without breaking it. There's no 5/4 and no extra beat. ---Sluzzelin talk 15:31, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

It is after the dun-dun-dun part. It is not the bass. It is the guitar intro. To my untrained ear, it sounds like the chords A AGA AGA AEF A AGA AGA x AEF. The x is an extra beat, and I'm not certain it is a whole beat. In Audacity, I can measure the gap between the first AGA to AEF and the gap between the second AGA to AEF. The second one is almost twice as long as the first one. However, it is very possible that there is more than one release of the song. I heard it on the radio when it came out and immediately noticed the gap. Then, on the record, I heard it. I have no knowledge of hearing it on a re-release or anything like that. Of course, this entire subtopic is drifting very far away from the question. 135.84.167.41 (talk) 16:56, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

drifting off some more This SongFacts quote by Jim Peterik is interesting: "I started doing that now-famous dead string guitar riff and started slashing those chords to the punches we saw on the screen, and the whole song took shape in the next three days" [1] ---Sluzzelin talk 21:09, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Jayron32, thanks, it is the "chugga chugga" I was asking about, I believe. Since that is the sound that is so distinctive in this song, I thought it would be obvious what I was asking about. And in the first few seconds of the linked video, it's the only thing I can hear.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Perfect. That's an electric guitar playing power chords with a lot of palm muting and a clean tone (no distortion). --Jayron32 18:16, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Since all I hear is one note played very fast, I don't understand how that is a chord. But "dead string guitar riff" sounds like that must be it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Looked into it myself. I had thought it was a C5 chord, but checking several online tabs, there seems to be agreement it's just a palm-muted C note. Good ear. --Jayron32 13:05, 30 January 2020 (UTC)