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What has been the average annual percentage salary increase in the USA in the last decades?

Percentage relative to a workers previous year's salary. Then average across all US workers in a year, then average across years. Please only respond if you have a reliable source.

The National Average Wage Index from the Social Security Administration may be of interest to you. The human resources consulting firm Mercer has also studied compensation for many years, although you have to pay for all their data. Neutrality^talk 00:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you.

For someone asking for such specific data, it is surprising that you haven’t heard of the [[Bureau of Labor Statistics], or defined your question in terms of nominal or real changes in pay. DOR (HK) (talk) 04:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

It's not me, it's you

Quite a lot of novels have been written in the first person. Even more have been written in the third person.

But has anyone ever written a novel in the second person? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 04:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Se una notte d'inverno un viaggiatore -- Italo Calvino. Well worth reading. Even in English, probably. --Trovatore (talk) 04:21, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Does Choose Your Own Adventure count? Cuz those were often written in the second person. --Jayron32 04:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Not novels, but H.P. Lovecraft wrote a few short stories in second person. I'll have to dig up the titles, but I remember they were in a compilation book of his. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:26, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

See second-person narrative. Oda Mari (talk) 05:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow, so many, and such writers. I would have thought the reader would soon get tired of being told what he/she is doing, thinking and feeling (I have no taste for being told those things in real life), so it's a tribute to the writers that they can get away with it. I must get off damn Wikipedia occasionally and catch up on my reading. Thanks, all, particularly Oda Mari. -- Jack of Oz [your turn]

For fiction-within-fiction, the character Harold Lauder from The Stand is described as writing stories in the second person; that bit of characterization is apparently intended to show what an annoying asshole he is. —Angr (talk) 12:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I just read Dark Harvest, almost unbearable but I finished it (was on an airplane and had nothing else with me). Besides the pathetic plot, ridiculous dialogue and hackneyed horror tropes, it was written in the second person which drove me a bit mad.--108.46.109.70 (talk) 12:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Not quite a novel, but most Live Action Roleplaying characters are written like this. "You are Rick Blaine, owner of Rick's Cafe. You are an American, who left New York because you killed a man. etc...." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdjewell (talk • contribs) 16:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Of course, there are books which are written which are written as though the reader is experiencing the action, as though they were in second person, but don't use the second-person pronoun. Such books are often stream of consciousness books, in other words they are written not from the perspective of one of the characters (first person) nor from the perspective of an impartial narrator (third person), but from the reader's own perspective which, despite not using the second person pronoun, sounds like second person to me. In fact, its a much more natural way to do second person, since if YOU the reader are supposed to be the main character, you don't call yourself "you" all the time, you just experience being yourself. Stephen King himself wrote a book like this, see Dolores Claiborne. --Jayron32 04:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Very interesting. I've heard of that book/movie, of course, but knew nothing about it. So, if not the second-person pronoun, what devices does King employ to cause the reader to feel so involved? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 10:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

As the article says, "it has no chapters, double-spacing between paragraphs, or other section breaks; thus the text is a single continuous narrative which reads like a transcription of a spoken monologue", although I can't say I felt as if I was "experiencing the action" when I read Dolores Claiborne (and I've read it twice) - at least not any more so than when I read any other novel. Mostly I felt "this is a great story, but when am I going to reach a convenient stopping point so I can use the toilet / make dinner / whatever?". —Angr (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Right. Look, any novel worth its salt will "involve" the reader - if for no other reason so as not to fall into what I call the "Le Carré Trap" *. If the main character is sufficiently sympathetic, the reader will identify with them and "feel their pain", so to speak, when bad things happen, and their joy at other times. That's the basic job of the writer. But very few are explicitly written about the reader, by use of "you" rather than "I", "he", "she" or "they". I've never read a word of Dolores Claiborne, but it sounds like it's not really a candidate. (* John le Carré once wrote: As a reader, I insist on being beguiled early or not at all, which is why many of the books on my shelves remain mysteriously unread after page 20. But once I submit to the author's thrall, he can do me no wrong. I know what he's talking about only too well. With the money I've wasted on books that I never finished, I could have been a millionaire by now.) -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 19:15, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

There are lots of second person sections in novels, and short stories have been written that way, when the goal is to make the reader experience something like "The last thing you saw was the butt of a rifle descending toward your head. You awoke abruptly from the shock of cold water suddenly around your feet. Now you feel the icy water rising. You want to scream, but there is a gag in your mouth. You try to remove it, but your hands are cuffed behind your back.You feel a burlap bag around you, and there is a rock tied to your feet. You take a last gasp of air into your lungs just before you sink below the surface.." (original prose). I think I once saw a weird 1960's black and white movie which had narration throughout something like that, about a gangster in dire straights. Edison (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

There's a short horror story written in the form of a list of instructions, beginning rather mundanely – go there, carry something – and gradually becoming fantastic; at some point it says "By now you'll have noticed that you no longer have free will," and it ends with "If you have survived, you may be interested to know the purpose of all this...." Something by John Varley perhaps? —Tamfang (talk) 20:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

A more interesting question - warning to 108.46.109.70: don't read the below

Has any novel been written in the second person plural. Like this:

“ It was a dark and lonely night. One of you was at home sitting by the fire, reading a weekly magazine while sipping on hot coca. Meanwhile, the other of you was miles from civilization, caught in... ”

 ;) It would be hard - you couldn't very well give your readers names. Well, I suppose you could. "John, you were sitting by the fire. And Ted - you in the"... Can you imagine a whole novel like that? Dialogue would be like this:

"No way, you can't be serious", you said, Ted. "I am telling you. Look at me", John, you replied. You looked at each other; Ted, you tried to search John's eyes - was he being serious? But you were serious, John, weren't you... :) 188.157.116.32 (talk) 16:12, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Eeurrgh .. I've unleashed a monster. Sorry about that. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 19:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

There are lots of second person sections in novels, and short stories have been written that way, when the goal is to make the reader experience something like "The last thing you saw was the butt of a rifle descending toward your head. You awoke abruptly from the shock of cold water suddenly around your feet. Now you feel the icy water rising. You want to scream, but there is a gag in your mouth. You try to remove it, but your hands are cuffed behind your back. You take a last gasp of air into your lungs just before you sink below the surface.." Edison (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Not quite on topic, but And then we came to the end by Joshua Ferris is written in the first person plural ("we"). I kept on trying to work out who the "I" was, and it was only at the end that I realised that there wasn't one: every person in the "we" was a "he" or "she" when treated as an individual, never an "I". --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Halting State, mentioned in the list above, does something vaguely similar - three rotating second person viewpoints (character A for a chapter, then character B for a chapter, then C, then A, etc etc). It's an interesting compromise (and allows for some neat narrative tricks, like switching perspective in the middle of an event). Shimgray | talk | 18:57, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Isnt all the above from "It's not me, it's you" downwards a discussion, and hence illegal under wp-notforum or whatever? Edit: I've just noticed "What gigs in life will force me to mature faster?" bwelow too. 92.29.127.30 (talk) 16:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

"Illegal" - certainly not. A question was asked: "[H]as anyone ever written a novel in the second person?", and a number of very relevant answers have been provided. There has been a little discussion as to whether a particular novel fits the bill or not, but that's necessary to determine ... whether it fits the bill or not. A supplementary but related question has also been asked and answered. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 20:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Is Google offensive?

If I do a picture search with the keyboards "monkey president", I get pictures of two American and one Iranian president. If I type "posh bitch" I get results pointing at a famous singer. Could be say that here actually Google is insulting? It's the equivalent to answer "your mother", to the question "who is a whore?". -- 12:49, 25 April 2011 80.58.205.34

Google is an indexing service. It indexes what is on the web. If you find it offensive, it is simply because you are offended by what is on the web. If you believe that Google is a sentient entity that is purposely trying to offend you, then you have a lot more to worry about than how offensive Google may be. -- kainaw™ 12:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Given that their software may not always be programmed to properly account for bias, some of their suggestions have been found offensive, but are usually humorous.Smallman12q (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Offense is in the eye of the offended. I think it is safe to say that Google is not intentionally offensive, and leave it at that. Blueboar (talk) 15:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Google's way of deciding what comes up with what terms is a complicated algorithm that is not entirely public, but is understood enough to allow for Google bombing. In the past, Google has explicitly said that it won't modify search results even if they are offensive (see Jew_Watch#Google_controversy). If you search for "Jew," for example, you get all the results, plus a little page at the top which explains why they won't take an active hand in editing their search results.

It's a big issue, of course. "Offensive" is a subjective category, one which is highly dependent on local opinion (there are probably many Turks who would be offended by the results for "Armenian genocide"). Search engines increasingly are the way in which our lives, our commerce, and our news are ordered. We should be very careful before requesting or expecting the search engine providers (who are essentially unregulated) moderate or censor speech. Who would make the decisions? Under what principles would they operate? It is easier, perhaps safer, to require only such sites to comply with local laws (which do regulate speech to various degree, even in the US) and leave it up to that. --Mr.98 (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

This New York Time Article from Sunday's magazine section is topical here and a very interesting read.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

This reminds me of one of A. P. Herbert's Misleading Cases: If it is libelous to print "The Bishop of Bowl is a drunkard," is it also libelous to publish a crossword puzzle in which BOWL is the solution to the clue "Bibulous bishop"? —Tamfang (talk) 19:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Nauru electoral system

I'm looking for a copy/title of the piece of Nauru legislation setting out their electoral system. It was apparently determined by their parliament rather than by constitution so this should exist...? ╟─TreasuryTag►Woolsack─╢ 15:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it should exist. That does not mean that it exists on the web. It may only exist in paper archives on the island of Nauru. Maybe you should contact Nauru directly... --Jayron32 19:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

If you know the details of the Act, it should hopefully be accessible here. (eg/ the referendum legislation) Shimgray | talk | 22:17, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Aha. Per this report it seems to be the Electoral (Electoral System) Regulations 1971, which aren't online. This describes it as the "Dowdall system", with which I'm not familiar; an example of its results is here. Shimgray | talk | 22:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

...and finally, there's a very brief description here. It's an interesting approach. Shimgray | talk | 22:25, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Gambino Crime Family

You hear that the mafia made millions of dollars for the crime families. When one boss dies and another takes over, does the crime families money transfer to the new boss....and if so how does this happen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.38.46 (talk) 15:15, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure they have mob lawyers who have prepared for such a contingency. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Probably most of the cash stays with the old boss's family, while the various illegal activities and businesses go to the new crime boss, who quickly makes his own money from them. StuRat (talk) 08:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

How did the Roman surname "Sergeii" become a common Russian first name?

While many Russian first names - especially female - are Greek in origin and are attributed to Byzantine influence, there seems to be a strong Roman influence as well: in addition to "Sergei" there is the "Roman-off" dynasty as well as the title Tzar, a form of "Caesar".

Would a maven please point me in the right direction? Thank you, Shir-El too 16:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I think any "Roman" influence on Russian comes by way of the Byzantine empire or the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Byzantine empire, after all, saw itself as a continuation of the Roman empire. Similarly, the Eastern Orthodox Church, like the Roman Catholic Church with which it later split, arose under the Roman empire. I'm not sure why the first person to take the name Romanov chose that name, but I suspect that it was to evoke the tradition of the Byzantine rulers as Roman emperors. The name Sergei is derived from Saint Sergius, who is venerated by the Eastern Orthodox Church. Just as many Catholics take the names of saints who lived under the Roman empire, many Orthodox, including Russians, do the same. Marco polo (talk) 17:19, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, see our article Third Rome, which explains how the grand dukes of Moscow and later the Russian tsars saw themselves as successors to the Byzantines, and by extension the Roman emperors. Marco polo (talk) 18:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Car dealer permanent logos in the US

In the US, in some parts of the country, the car dealer places a permanent version of their logo on the rear of every car they sell. I found an example image here where the logo is at the top of the image.

Do we have an article on these awful things? What are they called? Living on the west coast of the US, I only see these on cars that were purchased elsewhere — west coast car dealers don't do this. I'm wondering why people put up with this; do they get some sort of permanent service discount or something in exchange for this ad? Or does everyone put up with the ad because all dealers do this, and the consumer has no choice in the matter? Where in the US is this a fixture, and why isn't it done on the west coast? Comet Tuttle (talk) 17:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I would call it an advertising decal. I don't think it is very common. I agree that it looks ugly, and would scrape it off if I purchased a car from this dealer. I know that a lot of car dealerships add a license plate holder with the dealer's name and number on it... a more subtle form of free advertising (And, I think, a better form of advertising... less noticeable perhaps, but more likely to stay on the car once purchased). Blueboar (talk) 18:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

These things are quite common in New England. I think that most (if not all) dealers in the area have some kind of branding on the car, often plastic decals such as these. Painted or other flat decals such as the one you've linked are less common in New England, though I've seen those here, too. Maybe west coast car buyers would object to decals, but car buyers in the Northeast, at least, just take them for granted. Marco polo (talk) 19:34, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

In the UK, it's very, very common indeed. Now that I think of it, I rarely see a car without one. ╟─TreasuryTag►stannary parliament─╢ 19:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

This looks different to what I'd expect. You get dealer stickers (which just peel off), and you get custom registration plates, as noted above, but this looks like it's been screen printed onto the paintwork. I've never seen a (normal) UK car with that. If it really is screenprinted (and not just a decal with a transparent background) it'd be difficult to remove. -- Finlay McWalter ☻ Talk 20:36, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

I read a case of a US customer who paid a dealer to import a European sportscar. The dealer drilled 2 holes in the trunk (boot, to Brits) lid and mounted a chromed dealer logo. The purchaser sued and the dealer had to repair and repaint the trunk. In another instance a US dealer's family member said that the dealer's name on a decal on the car should be taken as a "badge of honor," showing that the purchaser had "gotten a good deal" from the car dealer, like a deer hunter having his killed deer tied over the trunk of the car. Nonsense. If I have purchased a car, the dealer should pay me for any advertising display on my car. Edison (talk) 01:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

This is a dealer badge and can be a decal, a stick-on plastic or metal logo or other. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 01:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Having lived in the American Midwest and New England, I can say that they're everywhere in those two regions. The one the OP posted isn't screen printed on, it's still just a decal. When you buy a vehicle, you can request that the dealer not put it on. I did this when I bought my Jeep because I dislike them and I wasn't given any trouble about it. Dismas|^(talk) 01:40, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I have heard about discounts for the dealer ad, but I have no idea how common that is. Wnt (talk) 13:23, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I've heard similar, but it could be an urban legend. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:05, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

In my experience, In the eastern USA, almost all new and most used car dealerships have these. However, I've bought several cars over the years, and I've always asked that all dealer decals be removed from the vehicle I was purchasing. Every place I dealt with did this without any fuss, and there was no "higher" price for removing them. (Although, it should be noted I always asked at the end of the talks, when the final price had already be agreed upon.) ^Avic_ennasis @ 05:53, 24 Nisan 5771 / 28 April 2011 (UTC)

can you buy options as easily as stocks (e.g. with e*trade?)

If you have an online broker like e*trade, is it just as easy to buy an option like one of these: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=MSFT For example let's say this one in specific: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT120121C00026000

As it is to buy a stock directly, i.e. "MSFT" http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=msft&ql=1

In other words, would I have to do something special to be able to get access to the former, above and beyond what I have to do to get access to the latter (e.g. through e*trade). Thanks. 188.156.227.96 (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

In general, most US brokers that allow you to trade stocks may also allow you to trade stock options. A few things to keep in mind:

• There may be specific margin requirements to have an option position.
• Sometimes you need to fill an extra form to be approved to trade options. Conditions (net worth, experience, account value) may differ based on what you want to do. That is, selling covered calls (against the stock you own), or buying a protective put (again, when you hold the underlying stock) is no big deal. Buying calls or puts is usually considered no big deal either (although even with buying calls, if they are in the money at the end of their term, and you have not sold them yet, they will be automatically exercised, so you end up buying lots of stock - thus, the margin requirements for the stock may also apply for the calls). But selling naked calls or puts obviously involves a lot more risk, so the margin requirement may be stricter.
• Some (not all) brokers charge rather higher commission for options than for common stocks.
• Spread (i.e. the difference between the bid and ask price) on many calls may be very significant. For something like MSFT it may be reasonable, but for many other stocks options exist, but are very thinly traded. -- Vmenkov (talk) 21:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Vmenkov: I'm completely confused. Are you talking about writing options??? Why would you need any cover if you buy options??? Can you step me through the following example, which is my current understanding:

On the following page are call and put options for May of 2011: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=MSFT&m=2011-05

If I were to buy the first call option listed (strike price 15), which would seem to cost me about $11.20 give or take, then someone is making me the following offer: "If you buy this contract from me, then you (or the holder of the contract at expiration) can get 100 shares of MSFT by paying me 17.50 each for them. I promise to have them for you, whatever the price I need to pay to get them if I don't have them already."

And on the bottom of the page, if I were to buy the first put option listed (strike price again 15), which would seem to cost me $0.01 (one penny) give or take, then someone is making me th following offer: "If you buy this contract from me, then I promise to buy from you (or the holder of the contract at expiration) should you (or that person) so desire, 100 shares of MSFT at $15 each. Naturally you (or that person) would like me to do this if the stock is worth less than than $15, for example $10 dollars. You (or that person) wouldn't ask me to buy them from you cheaper than you can just sell them on the market."

It seems to me, that neither for the PUT nor for the CALL option would I need to have any kind of margin or cover or anything of the sort, since I am just buying them from someone else who has to have this. I just don't get where you're coming from, could you explain it to me? Unless everything that you said applied to writing options, rather than what I'm askinga bout! (Which is buying an option someone else already wrote). Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding if you can! 188.156.227.96 (talk) 21:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

You are correct - if you are buying (or "holding") an option then there is no margin requirement, as you can simply let the the option expire if it is out of the money. Your liability is limited to the option premium and any broker's commission, both of which you will probably have to pay up front. The only party in an option trade who has to provide margin is the seller or "writer" of the option. Gandalf61 (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you both are perfectly right; I've checked the official margin guide of CBOE: http://www.cboe.com/tradtool/marginmanual2000.pdf (page 4) and the exchange itself does not set any requirement to have any additional equity in the account beyond the value of the options themselves, if you just have a long option position. An actual broker I've taken a look at (IB, in this case) does not impose any extra margin requirements for carrying a long option position either.

However, you still must understand what happens if the expiration day of your long call comes and it is in the money. In this case, if you have not sold or exercised it, the broker typically will automatically exercise it. Which means that if you have a cash account, you must have enough cash at that moment to buy the stock; if you have a margin account, you must have enough equity to carry the stock. And if you have a long put, and it's in the money at the expiration, they will exercise it for you too - so you either must have the underlying stock in your account (and you had better buy it in advance, so the stock-purchase trade will have cleared by the option-expiration day!), or be ready to carry a short stock position.

If you don't enough equity in your account to handle the post-exercise equity position, you may end up in a situation "which may not be ideal for your account size", as one brokerage has put it. (In other words, a margin call the first thing on Monday morning). This particular brokerage says that it tries to prevent such an outcome by "clos[ing] out of positions that [they] deem too risky for the account size before the market closes on Friday afternoon." -- Vmenkov (talk) 04:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Inuit authors

Hi! Does anyone know of any Inuit or Native Alaskan authors or non-fiction books with an Inuit or Native Alaskan as a main or supporting character? I've look at the Inuit authors on wikipedia and they seem to write children's' picture book and non fiction books. Please help! Neptunekh2 (talk)

Does Category:Inuit writers help, or is that what you already looked at and found only consisted of children's material?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Mitiarjuk Nappaaluk wrote the novel "Sanaaq", which has been translated into French. I can't find evidence that it exists in English though. See here for more: [1] --Xuxl (talk) 18:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Zombaio or Paypal

I'm looking to make money by selling my body image via webcam, and it looks like there are a couple of options for payment. I could use the infamous Paypal service, which is known for screwing it's customers, but popular due to 'social proof,' or I could use Zombaio, which specifically targets the adult entertainment industry. I've found a couple articles so far depicting, negatively, the Zombaio service, but that could be due to the drastically smaller demographic.

Your opinions and recommendations are very much appreciated. I would like to ask that you cite any information sources you can. Thank you. HitmanNumber86 (talk) 23:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

How hot are you? That could strongly affect the payments proffered. Edison (talk) 00:59, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Most seem to rate me very high, but that normally doesn't matter. Many are looking for some kind of look, weather it be a twink, BBW, small tits, gila monster. Although, that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. HitmanNumber86 (talk) 01:04, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Ehm. Now you need to fix that weather into whether. :) The saying goes, One book a month keeps the mistakes away. --151.56.72.91 (talk) 01:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

...none can deny it's truth. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 13:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Unindent - PayPal is well known for freezing the accounts of "adult" service providers and holding the funds for up to six months before releasing them. Bear this in mind. Exxolon (talk) 19:44, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I haven't been able to convince myself to do business with companies under Paypal's dominion, because the last time I read their terms and conditions it sounded like they were saying I had to agree it was "reasonable" for them to charge me a $2500 fine for trying to buy adult material, or any of two dozen other things so loosely defined they could say it applied to anything. Wnt (talk) 23:46, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

There are a number of online payment providers - of course, Paypal is probably the most well known. There is also Moneybookers. Some may prefer Western Union (though this would probably not be right for you, considering the business). --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 17:12, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

If you are indeed "selling my body image via webcam" then do not use PayPal. They will shut you down in a hot minute for violating their terms of service (ie. providing adult material). You'd probably be best suited setting up your own business account with a bank to process credit card payments, if you're actually serious about it. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 21:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)