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edit"SOCIETEY ENDRACT"
editBonjour. J'ai trouvé sur un petit tableau manifestement du XIXe s. les mentions "SOCIETEY ENDRACT" dans un cartouche bleu clair d'un drapeau et "VIVA de LIEFDE EN GOED HERT" (vive l'amour et le bon coeur) dans un autre cartouche au bas du tableau visible ici.
Le drapeau, tenu par un angelot nu mais casqué et portant arc et carquois, comporte dans le haut deux mains serrées, qui font penser au symbole maçonnique, dans un anneau de feuillage et au centre un(e sorte de) coeur "porte-flamme" dans une couronne de fleurs enrubannée tenue par 2 lions. À l'arrière-plan, entre l'angelot et une rue formé d'immeubles (dont plusieurs avec pignons à gradins) avec un mur qui ouvre sur un jardin et qui dissimule la base d'une tour carrée, passe un cortège formé d'un cavalier, apparemment vêtu d'un uniforme rouge, botté, chapeauté et tenant un drapelet triangulaire, et de trois calèches découvertes remplies de, chacune, 6 à 7 messieurs chapeauté (haut-de-forme ? claque ?), tirées chacune par deux chevaux menés par un cocher également chapeauté... Des gens, à certaines fenêtres des immeubles, regardent la "société" passer ; j'aimerais identifier cette société ! Avez-vous une idée ?
Good morning and sorry for my very bad English (I am a Belgian Franch speaking). I found in a small painting clearly nineteenth century the words " SOCIETEY Endract " in a blue cartridge on a Flag and " VIVA Liefde en GOED HERT " ( live love and good heart ) in another cartridge in the bottom panel visible here
The flag is held by a cherub wearing a helmet and bow and quiver ; it has on the a handshake in a ring of leaves and in the center a sort of heart " with flame " in a wreath wrapped held by two lions. In the background , between the angel and a street consisting of buildings with a wall that opens onto a garden and hides the base of a square tower, passes a procession formed by a rider, apparently wearing a red uniform, kicked , headed and holding a triangular drapelet and three carriages full of, each, 6-7 gentlemen, each drawn by two horses ... People also headed to certain buildings windows box, watch the "Company" pass; I would like to identify this company ! Do you have any idea ?
thank you in advance, Égoïté (talk) 08:17, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- Google didn't have any results for "SOCIETEY ENDRACT" (except for your question), but there were plenty of results for Society "Eendracht maakt Macht" [1] which is a Netherlands mutual benefit ssciety and a Flemish language society in Belgium connected with Lodewijk De Raet. This page says that the phrase was also used by a "Catholic revolutionary society during the French-Batavian period in Nijmegen". Of course, all this may be entirely unconnected with your painting. Your English is fine except "cartouche" is a better word than "catridge" in this case (we love stealing words from other languages). Alansplodge (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think the name of the society on the flag is "Societey[t De E]endragt" (note the g instead of c), which in modern Dutch spelling would read "Sociëteit De Eendracht" (Society The Unity). There have been a number of Dutch societies with this name, founded in the 18th and 19th centuries, but I can't find either the flag or the buildings depicted on a google image search. It could prove quite difficult to identify without either more information or someone who recognizes the buildings (and we don't know if these buildings still exist). I can't really make it out, but I suspect the text at the bottom actually reads "VIVA de LIEFDE en GOED-HEYT" ((LONG) LIVE the LOVE and GOOD-NESS), because the definite article "de" cannot be applied to the neuter word "HERT" (heart), and it sounds weird without an article. - Lindert (talk) 13:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I've had a good search through Google without result, but the use of the Sacred Heart emblem suggests a Catholic society, and the libertarian slogans leads me to think that they might have been involved in the Dutch Patriot Revolt, 1787 or the Batavian Revolution in Amsterdam of 1795, but that's just a guess. Alansplodge (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- Many thanks ! I'll continue to search. Égoïté (talk) 20:15, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
- I've had a good search through Google without result, but the use of the Sacred Heart emblem suggests a Catholic society, and the libertarian slogans leads me to think that they might have been involved in the Dutch Patriot Revolt, 1787 or the Batavian Revolution in Amsterdam of 1795, but that's just a guess. Alansplodge (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Tahiti queen journal illustre
editCan someone help me find a larger version of this File:Tahiti queen journal illustre.jpg on gallica? --KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think that publication is on gallica. Here is a larger version from ebay.ca. I do not know if it is okay to use on Wikipedia.--Cam (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Gigong and yoga
editcan combine qigong and yoga? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.1.156 (talk) 14:39, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- I took the liberty of creating a new section for this question and adding wikilinks. In answer - see Zen Yoga which claims to be "a revolutionary yoga system that combines elements of Taoist Yoga, Hatha Yoga and Qigong". Alansplodge (talk) 17:09, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- You can if you want. No one here is interested in stopping you. --Jayron32 23:08, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
- Will no one think of the children? —Tamfang (talk) 23:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)