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What is the sounding (and written) range of contrabass clarinet?

What is the sounding (and written) range of contrabass clarinet? Different sites are giving different ranges.201.79.52.212 (talk) 00:00, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

According to our article (Contrabass clarinet)→

Range of Bb contrabass clarinet + LA(3) at 440 Hz

It also mentions that there are two types "EE♭ (aka:contra-alto) contrabass clarinet" & "BB♭ contrabass clarinet". --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:807B:66FA:B5EC:A602 (talk) 00:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Parkinson's shuffle

I believe there is a particular word which describes the failure to lift the feet by people with Parkinson's disease. I think it may begin with C but I don't remember it. Can anybody help please? Kittybrewster ☎ 11:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Anything in Parkinsonian gait? --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Nothing. Kittybrewster ☎ 07:26, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Breakdown of victims of Islamic extremism, by category

Excuse the inflammatory nature of this question, but it is, IMHO, a fair one.

When a Muslim kills in the name of their religion (something I accept only a minority of Muslims do) the victim by definition falls into one of three categories. My guess is that they rank in this order:

1. Fellow Muslims, whose version of Islam differs or is perceived to differ from that of the killer, or whose behaviour the killer sees as deserving death in Islam's eyes (shia vs sunni being perhaps the most common, but also religious vs secularised, fundamentalist vs moderate, "honour killings" motivated by Islamic beliefs, etc)
2. "Infidels", or, (to quote the indictment against Abu Hamza al-Masri), "persons not of the Islamic faith" (Westerners, Christians, Hindus, Yazidis, etc) - but excluding Jews
3. Jews (but excluding those killed in Israel or the West Bank by the Israeli-Palestinian conflict)

I exclude direct local victims of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as it has dynamics of its own, with the two peoples forced to engage with each other on a daily basis. Please DO however include Jews killed by Muslims (be they arab or non-arab or even Palestinian) outside Israel and the Palestinian territories. Please also DO include Israelis killed in Israel by Hizballah or other non-Palestinian arabs, who unlike the Palestinians, DO have the option of avoiding contact with Jews.

Can anyone point me to sources which would give me a breakdown on the number of victims which fall into each of these three distinct groups (intra-Muslim, "Infidels" and Jews), either in terms of raw numbers or percentages? Eliyohub (talk) 14:30, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, formatting error on my part - failure to fill in question title. Now fixed.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
You haven't posted a question - just a completely irrelevant answer to a question about a medical condition. Wymspen (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2016 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot the title line (this is how wikipedia posts questions when you leave the title space blank). My internet connection crashed whilst I was typing the question, so I typed the question in notepad fearing a repeat, and when I cut and pasted it across, forgot to fill in the title line. Now fixed. Answers? Eliyohub (talk) 14:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

The OP chooses to guess that victims of extremist murder are to be ranked in terms of some extremist's own pseudo-religious rhetoric. I suggest that someone close the whole question to prevent arguments proceeding on these unproductive categories. AllBestFaith (talk) 15:03, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree it should be closed, not to prevent arguments proceeding but simply because it is (as the OP himself notes) an inflammatory question that serves no useful purpose, even if answerable. --Viennese Waltz 15:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

• This seems to be a source. --Jayron32 15:37, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Historically, Jews and Christians were granted special status above other "infidels", in that they were considered to be "people of the book", that is, since all 3 are Abrahamic religions. However, recent fighting over Palestine has lowered the status of Jews in many Muslim eyes. For Christians, you'd need to go back to the Crusades to find a real reason for hatred, but leaders of terrorist organizations know they need to be seen as attacking "the big guys" to get recruits, so claim the Crusades are ongoing. StuRat (talk) 02:15, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Presumptive nominee - convention as formality

When is the last time the party's nominee for U.S. president was not known going into the convention? ―Mandruss ☎ 16:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I would say Democratic Party presidential primaries, 1968 would be the last example of this. RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

There was also the closely contested 1980 Democratic National Convention, where Kennedy tried (and failed) to change rules to allow delegates committed to Carter released from their commitments. While the vote actually went off as planned, there was some possibility of a contested convention had Kennedy gotten the rule changes he sought. --Jayron32 17:11, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

According to Brokered_convention#Conventions_close_to_being_contested, it was 1984 for the Democrats and 1976 for the Republicans. The previous section of the article has the last brokered conventions for both parties in 1952.--Wikimedes (talk) 06:55, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

British political familial connections

Former Conservative minister Virginia Bottomley is certainly well-connected by birth and marriage. I want to clarify two potential connections. Her father was William John Garnett (1921-1997), industrial relations campaigner. Was he related to David Garnett ("Bunny", 1892-1981, of the Bloomsbury Group) and his long line of illustrious forefathers? That seems a tenuous link. The second query, however, is more pointed: various sources state that one of her cousins is Julian Hunt, Baron Hunt of Chesterton, father of Tristram Hunt, MP, both of them Labour politicians. Is Bottomley related to these Hunts? Other sources claim that she is cousin to Jeremy Hunt, the Tory health minister who survived last month's shuffle. Is there any reliable statement - for example, an interview with any of them in a newspaper of record - to the effect that they are related, and how? There are an awful lot of unreliable sources, and I suspect they are circularly reporting our articles. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

According to this website, which is generally pretty reliable, John Garnett's father, James Clerk Maxwell Garnett, also had a daughter Pauline Garnett, who married Roland Hunt, and Pauline and Roland were Lord Hunt of Chesterton's parents. That would make Lady Bottomley of Nettlestone a first cousin of Lord Hunt of Chesterton and a first cousin once removed of Tristram Hunt. There doesn't seem to be any obvious link documented there between her and either David Garnett or Jeremy Hunt. Proteus (Talk) 10:36, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Turkey

So Erdogan or the other one in USA: who is the good guy, and who is the bad guy? I cant fathom from the news Im reading.--86.187.174.194 (talk) 23:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Have you read our article on the 2016 Turkish coup d'état attempt? Reducing the matter to that of the "good/bad guy" is beyond the remit of the ref desk. — Lomn 00:14, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Define "good guy" and "bad guy". The one is an ally, the other is living in the US. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:10, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

• Are we talking of the official British perspective? Where government policy is friendly to Erdogan, but our newly appointed Foreign Secretary (of an interesting Turkish ancestry himself) publicly penned a deeply insulting limerick against Erdogan? Erdogan, who does not take kindly to journalists seen as criticising him. It is indeed complicated.

The Ataturk state of Turkey was resolutely secular. Erdogan has recently pushed this back and encouraged Islamification of the Turkish political society and government. His dealings with and oil buying from ISIS have been questioned, particularly by those Russians who like to question things with bombing strikes. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:30, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the political philosophy that has driven Turkish politics prior to recent decades, see Kemalism, an overtly secular philosophy. While led by a cleric, the Gülen movement is still in many ways aligned to Kemalism, and is diametrically opposed to the Islamist and authoritarian reforms of the Erdogan government. --Jayron32 12:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Another possibility is that they're both bad. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend (e.g. Stalin). Clarityfiend (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2016 (UTC)