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New content for "History of Smooth Island (Tasmania)"

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Hi everyone.

I've reached a dead end with History_of_Smooth_Island_(Tasmania).

I need more info on

- The activities of the residents during the 1800s, (eg, historical construction activities? The ruins of a house with chimney are present- when we're these built?)

- I need old photographs and paintings of Smooth Island from the 1800s.

- Have there been there any leaseholders / tenants occupying property on the island?

- Bowen put 11 mutinous Irish prisoners from Risdon Cove prison on the island for a month. What were their names?

- There have been multiple major bushfires on the island since the 1800s and early 1900s. I need more information about the cause and impact of these fires.


I have already been through Trove quite comprehensively. The information I need doesn't appear to be there.

I need new resources, which haven't already been cited in the article.

If anyone is able to help provide resources which address any of these issues to any extent, please let me know.


I really appreciate your help. Thank you,

Vitreology talk 01:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You say you've trawled through Trove. You've probably already thought of this, but have you also tried the National Archives? I'm not sure if you'll find anything there which isn't in Trove, but it's worth a shot, if you haven't already tried it.
Also, you might want to try Libraries Tasmania. Again, I might be telling you what you already know, but just in case, I thought I'd mention it. Eliyohub (talk) 06:48, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Eliyohub:: I hadn't been to National Archives until now. Whilst it hasn't yielded anything particularly useful for the topic of my original post, it did reveal a very valuable document for my family tree just now (ie, completely unrelated, but very exciting for me). Thank you! If you have any other good suggestions like this, please send them my way :) Vitreology talk 12:34, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of French Polynesia

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What are the significance of the red and white stripes of the Flag of French Polynesia and the flags of the independent kingdoms of the Society Islands in the 19th-century? The Wikipedia articles states "red and white are traditional Polynesian colors" but I am requesting more verifiable sources and with more context to the history of these flags especially in the 19th-century.

KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:39, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Flags of the World website says that the red/white stripes predate the French protectorate, see this photo, but no help on the origin. A possible hint is that the traditional canoe depicted on the Coat of arms of French Polynesia has a red sail, so maybe there is a connection there. Alansplodge (talk) 14:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Alansplodge's link says Commodore J. Laws designed on 17 March 1829 for Tahiti a flag with equal horizontal stripes, red-white-red, which was made official on 16 September 1829. This was John Milligan Laws captain of the sloop of war HMS Satellite (1826) and probably ranked Commander at the time. He either gave[1], or first recognized[2] the flag in 1829 which is the earliest i see for red, with a white fess or bar thereon). I can't find anything online from the FOTW bibliography.—eric 16:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All i find from Laws is ...this flag, red above, white in the middle, and red below, proposed for the Georgian and Society Islands.[3]. KAVEBEAR, remember the "Letter to the President" from Queen Pomare? It has We have a new flag given us by Captain Lawes, of the Satellite, British man-of-war; will you kindly acknowledge it,...[4].—eric 16:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
[5]. note page 942 In the original, there was a drawing of a flag, divided into three equal horizontal parts, coloured red, white and red respectively. This was on Tahiti before stopping at Huahine, so unclear if it was designed by Laws or the chiefs.—eric 17:02, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You could ask WP:RX for The Flag Bulletin Vol. 24, pages 198-201 or thereabouts[6]. Searching for likely quotes doesn't find anything online.—eric 17:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you know what study I'm thinking of?

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I think I recall a study showing that college tends to end up being beneficial, even for students who were on the fence about going. I think it looked at SAT scores, comparing those that were just above the threshold, and just below. Do you know what study I'm thinking of?

Benjamin (talk) 09:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Absell

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Various sources (e.g. [7], [8]), none too reliable, and our article on George Washington Lambert say Amelia Beatrice Absell (Q77809031) died in 1963. Her VIAF record ([9]) says 1964. Can someone with the necessary account check the death register, please?

She may have been known by the married name Lambert. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:34, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the early spring of 1964 Amy died, at the age of ninety-two,... Motion, A. (1987). The Lamberts: George, Constant & Kit. p. 307.—eric 14:58, 9 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prince de Joinville

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I am trying to find a detailed account of Teriitua Tuavira Pōmare's (sometime known as Prince de Joinville after François d'Orléans, Prince of Joinville) study in France. Preferably a French source since most English sources are sporadic and brief in mentioning about him. It seems to have happened between 1862 and 1865 with the support of colonial governor Louis Eugène Gaultier de La Richerie. -KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:35, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Villeneuve-Arifat, marquise de (7 May 1861). "Un prince de l'Océanie â la fête des Rois dans le département du Gers". Messager de Tahita. No. 13. Papeete. Récit d'une fête donnéel'honneur du jeune prince Teriitua Tuavira, fils de la reine Pomaré, au chàteau de Ponsan.—eric 16:12, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
confier aux Fréres du Pensionnat Notre-Dame de Toutes-Aides les Nantes[10][11]—eric 16:33, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dubouzet l'emmeua avec lui en 1856, á la Nouvell-Calédonie. En 1862, il est venu en France sur la frégate l'Isis, avec six autres enfants de son age[12].—eric 16:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Le Port, Joseph (September 2002). "Sous le Protectorat, des jeunes envoyes en France". Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes. No. 294.—eric 17:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
a little, not much, in "Histoire: Vieux papiers dé l'Amiral Bruat". Bulletin de la Société des Études Océaniennes. No. 71. June 1944. {{cite journal}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help) That seems to be your go to journal, but it's pretty difficult to search. I wonder if copyright[13] would allow uploading to Internet Archive.—eric 18:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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