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December 11

Internal migration within Austria-Hungary

An ethnic map of Austria-Hungary for 1910.

Does anyone here know just how much internal migration there was within Austria-Hungary--as in, people moving from the Austrian half of the empire to the Hungarian half of the empire or vice versa? For the record, I am excluding migration from one part of the Austrian half of the empire (ex.: Prague) to another part of the Austrian half of the empire (ex.: Vienna)–or from one part of the Hungarian half of the empire (ex.:Temesvar) to another part of the Hungarian half of the empire (ex.: Budapest). Futurist110 (talk) 22:49, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I found it interesting that few of Austria-Hungary's Magyars, Slovaks, Romanians, and Croats actually moved to the Austrian half of the empire--and also that few of Austria-Hungary's Czechs, Poles, and Slovenes actually moved to the Hungarian half of the empire. This is evidenced by looking at ethnic and/or linguistic maps of Austria-Hungary–such as the map on the right. (Interestingly enough, though, while most of Austria-Hungary's Germans obviously lived in the Austrian half of the empire, there were nevertheless sizable German communities in Hungary as well.) Futurist110 (talk) 00:10, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

The Military Frontier was created for the purpose of encouraging migration to lands near the border with the Ottoman Empire... AnonMoos (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Yep, even in 1981 you could still see specks of Czech, Slovak, and Ruthenian populations on the former territory of the Austro-Hungarian Military Frontier: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/c8/34/17c834484c13f9e3e36f57e31a0715db.jpg The Slovaks and Ruthenians were located in Vojvodina whereas the Czechs were located in northern Croatia. Futurist110 (talk) 03:08, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, see Germans of Croatia (meaning ethnic and linguistic Germans rather than people from Germany). Alansplodge (talk) 12:39, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

If only they had been neutral with Germany, they were still stuck in the mindset of the 1520s to 1790s when Ottomans were actually dangerous (attacking Vienna multiple times etc) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:39, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, the Croatian German population right now is a couple dozen times less than it was back in 1900. Less than 3,000 right now versus over 85,000 in 1900. You can thank the post-WWII expulsions of the Yugoslav Germans for this. Futurist110 (talk) 21:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Considering my impoverished ancestors were able to emigrate from the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria in Austria-Hungary to the United States at the turn of the century, I think it stands to reason there was some degree of internal mobility of populations as well. 199.66.69.13 (talk) 14:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Were they Ukrainians, Poles, or Jews? Futurist110 (talk) 21:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Poles. 199.66.69.13 (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Which city/cities were they from? Futurist110 (talk) 03:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

One was supposedly from Kroscienko Wyzne. I'm not sure about the other. Genealogy gets tough with these folks once you jump back to Europe. 199.66.69.13 (talk) 05:17, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

With Poles specifically or in general? Futurist110 (talk) 03:12, 18 December 2020 (UTC)