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May 9

Family Planning in Indonesia

PROOF! Family planning#India But, why there is no section for Indonesia in the page of Family Planning? I just to know about the implementation of family planning in Indonesia. Why India and Indonesia just totally different names?

I want see people to explain family planning in Indonesia.

if someone found the family planning in Indonesia please make an edit and add Indonesia in the regional variation of family planning.

We need an explanation for our country Indonesia family planning policy that makes the people happy.

I don't wondering there has no idea to india in the family planning section Cyberllamamusic (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

There's no section for Indonesia because you haven't written it yet. We're all volunteers here, so it's up to whoever wants to enact change, which seems to be you. Maybe some of the material from the Indonesian Wikipedia could be used? Matt Deres (talk) 13:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Presidential pins

I started with Joe Biden and checked a few predecessor's leadimages (presumably official portraits) to see which were wearing flag pins (as one does). The conclusion is that after W. it became illegal for a US president not to have one.

Anyway, I noted that Harry S. Truman and Lyndon B. Johnson are wearing not-flag pins. Can the reference deskers tell me what they are? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Lyndon B is wearing the Silver Star. Still looking for Harry S. Marnanel (talk) 16:19, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Harry S is wearing a pin with a five-pointed star inside an ouroboros (like this), which I think is almost certainly a masonic symbol: he was a senior freemason. I have asked a masonic friend for details. Marnanel (talk) 16:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Now that's quite interesting. I was guessing something more in the Texas Ranger Division general direction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Answer from masonic friend: "I don't recognise it, I'm afraid, but the Americans have some funny ideas." Make of that what you will. :) Marnanel (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, it wasn't really a secret. There's a painting, too

Marnane While I can't make out the snake myself, this source supports your hypothesis. Thanks, I've learnt something today! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:17, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Marnanel fix ping. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:22, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Note, Truman always skips the boutonniere, which surprises me. Although, sometime you could see Truman with a masonic lapel pin in his buttonhole". From: Gentlemen's Gazette - Harry S. Truman – President & Haberdasher (about halfway down, in the section about evening wear). Alansplodge (talk) 17:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Slightly off topic, but Lapel_pin#Cultural_significance. See also this at 1:55. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I have found a few star-in-circle Masonic pins, like this for example. Alansplodge (talk) 17:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Now that is, quite obviously, some sort of ISIS symbol. Trumans pin may be a mark of their time-travelling unit. This has not yet been confirmed, but I'll ask Q to look into it. Also, your username has "lodge" in it, that's very suspicious. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:25, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

We are over 5 weeks past April Fool's Day. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:27, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

But we're still neck deep in fools. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:38, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

That's a given. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:26, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Unidentified symbol for "per"

Line four on this scan uses a symbol to (apparently) mean "per". Does that symbol have a name? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:30, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if it has a name, but it is a printed example of what Wikipedia call a Scribal abbreviation. Some more information (about writing not printing) here. DuncanHill (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

squiggly thing, aka "per sign"

Unicode calls it "U+214C per sign". Thank you: I hadn't run into it before. Maybe we should have an article about it. Marnanel (talk) 19:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, both; more here: https://www.htmlsymbols.xyz/unicode/U+214C, which is apparently blacklisted. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:10, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

See also the section called "Additional information on the Per sign", pages 3 and 4 of "Additional Mathematical and Letterlike Characters". Marnanel (talk) 19:15, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Really interesting, thank you. Also, the symbol is: ⅌ Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: How did you type that? DuncanHill (talk) 19:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@DuncanHill: Copy & paste. BTW, there is also an entry on Wiktionary: wikt:⅌. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:40, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Since we know the Unicode hexadecimal code point, another way to produce the ⅌ character here would have been to type ⅌. --184.147.181.129 (talk) 22:41, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I have made a page: Per sign. Marnanel (talk) 02:29, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The more usual notation would be a forward slash, e.g. "30 miles/hour". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

But the slash is normally used only with abbreviations or (as they say in the SI) symbols for units on both sides. "m/s" is "meters per second". The phrase in the original context was "£1,200 ⅌ annum". You couldn't use a slash in that. --184.147.181.129 (talk) 01:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Why use that obscure symbol when you can just write "per"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 07:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)