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December 24

I need help!

Hi! Can someone check whether the text from this edit can really be found in the cited book [Christopher Clark, (2012) " The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914 "]. It looks a bit suspicious. Vanjagenije (talk) 11:10, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

You can "borrow" the book online from archive.org here. If you don't have an account, it's free and not difficult, even I could do it! Alansplodge (talk) 12:05, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@Alansplodge: Thanks a lot! Vanjagenije (talk) 13:45, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Resolved

Stauffenberg's plot

After the explosion, when they were leaving the Wolf's Lair, Stauffenberg and his attendent Haeften told to have seen Hitler's body, but it was the one of another victim injured. Can you find who exactly was? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.117.187 (talk) 21:49, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Have you find something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.140.82 (talk) 18:40, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

According to Operation Valkyrie: The German Generals' Plot Against Hitler (p. 11):

Stauffenberg and Haeften had reached the staff car by the time the bomb exploded. Stauffenberg saw the ambulances arrive, the corpsmen rushing toward the barracks door, and he was convinced that there could have been no survivors, that Hitler had been killed. The staff car sped off...

Alansplodge (talk) 21:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok, but can you search for that specific person? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.119.73 (talk) 21:41, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

However, this says that Erich Fellgiebel testified that Stauffenberg had seen a body on a stretcher, but as far as I can tell, no names were mentioned. That's the best I can do. Alansplodge (talk) 21:45, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, but can you search better for the last time? A supposition I once read is for stenographer Heinrich Berger, one of Hitler's doubles who died that afternoon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.168.190 (talk) 22:53, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Kolbe was a Feldwebel of the Führer-Begleit-Division. Can you search in sites about that military group to find who was exactly? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.128.119 (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

You could just look at Führerbegleitbrigade. Or am I misunderstanding your question? --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 20:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok. Can you look it for me? Thank you.

I already did. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 23:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

You could search in other sites about that division. Moreover, he is also called "Oberfeldwebel Kolbe", then you can use this for the search. Other sources also tell he was a SS officer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.244.230.246 (talk) 17:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

In Operation Valkyrie (2008), frm the real-life, who were the two addepts of Berlin communications and Remer's adjutant? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.244.230.246 (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Justice League

Can you find who exactly was him in the real-life history? Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.132.159 (talk) 21:53, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

"During World War II, Hitler was replaced as Führer (leader) by Vandal Savage, who had awed the German high command with radically advanced weapons, supposedly of his own invention. The weaponry had actually been sent back in time by Savage's older self, along with instructions that Hitler's continued leadership would lead to German defeat unless he was deposed. This inspired the flag officers (generals and admirals) to stage a military coup to depose Hitler. Interestingly, while Savage correctly deduced that Hitler would lose the war, he had sufficient respect for Hitler not to engage in assassination; instead having Hitler's leadership "suspended" through cryogenically freezing the Fuhrer until a future point in time when he was fit to rule again. After Savage, and a good portion of the German army, was lost in an attempted air invasion of the U.S., General Hoffman, an outspoken critic of Savage on the High Command, immediately moved to have Hitler removed from stasis and restored to power."

- Could not find any German General known for being critical of Vandal Savage. Cannot be the same General Hoffmann. --Askedonty (talk) 22:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Maybe the real-life one wasn't a general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.132.159 (talk) 23:11, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

What makes you think there was a real life person that this cartoon character was based upon? Blueboar (talk) 00:01, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Rudolf Hofmann is one plausible possibility, assuming the writers didn't just pick a name at random: Hof(f)man is a very common name in Germany. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.245.235 (talk) 00:13, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Like the fictional General Hoffman, General Alfred Jodl never lost faith in Hitler. He served as Chief of the Operations Staff of the High Command until Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel's arrest, after which he replaced him as Chief of the High Command, only to be arrested himself ten days later  --Lambiam 08:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

What is going on in this 1796 British political cartoon?

Dutch Cupid

Two days ago, this political cartoon by James Gillray I nominated for FP on Wikimedia Commons got promoted. It depicts William V, Prince of Orange as a sleeping cupid on two money bags in an orangery surrounded by a procession of pregnant women. I understand the money bags and the orangery pun but not the cupid, the human heads on orange trees, or the pregnant women. It seems to imply that the subject had ton of mistresses and a lot of children but his article does not mention anything like this. StellarHalo (talk) 22:32, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

You can read the Library of Congress description at File:Dutch-Cupid-Gillray.jpeg, and on several other Commons image pages. AnonMoos (talk) 04:49, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Gillray is attacking William's (alleged) promiscuity. The Rijksmuseum page cites the Catalogue of Political and Personal Satires number 8822, which in turn quotes Lord Holland as claiming that When the Prince of Orange resided at Hampton Court, his amours with the servant-maids were supposed to be very numerous. I cannot, however, locate the original source for that quote. This blog post cites some other authors who claim something similar; their works might have more information. Gillray evidently believed that William had sex with numerous servant women, or at least he found this to be a convenient angle of attack. Shells-shells (talk) 05:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

The term planting in the caption The ORANGERIE; _ or _ the Dutch Cupid reposing, after the fatigues of Planting obviously refers to the imputed acts of impregnation by the subject, resulting not only in a plenitude of pregnant women, but also of bastard offspring, symbolized by the growing “plants" with baby heads.  --Lambiam 08:21, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

For a reference, The Dutch in the Early Modern World: A History of a Global Power (p. 238 onwards) explains the political background. The "24,000,000 ducats" is not explained, but presumably it is the cost to the British exchequer of support for William's cause against the Batavian Republic. Alansplodge (talk) 11:52, 26 December 2022 (UTC)