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September 23

Gender pay gap for women in sports

Came across recent news controversy about French male cyclist getting a better traveling facilities their female counter part.

From the news published in English language media it seems The French Cycling Federation is defending their differential treatment on perceived chances of men bringing a medal.

1) Is it a case that French media talked about differential on basis of 'merit' but English media did not translate word merit properly?

2) Are there any examples of France's female sports winners have got preferential treatment for winning any games from their respective sports body?

3) What is Gender pay gap or is it equal for women in sports in western countries in general and France in particular? With citations if available and possible.

Thanks Bookku (talk) 06:13, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

An article in Le Monde quotes the words of the technical director of the FCC, defending the decision in a telephone interview with AFP.^[1] These quotes do not contain any term that could be translated as merit. They are fairly translated in a Yahoo!News article,^[2] and copied identically in the road.cc article linked to above.  --Lambiam 07:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by question 3. Surely, you can read the article Gender pay gap and find out what the term means. There are clear gender pay gaps in sports, if you google "gender pay gap in women's sports" you get this as the very first link. It is not hard to find the information yourself without needing to involve anyone here. --Jayron32 12:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

This doesn't seem like a Gender pay gap thing at all; the first linked reference in your question quotes Christophe Manin: “If we had the mountain bike world championships in Australia with the same economic choice to make, we would put the two girls in business and the boys in economy". In this case it was the "star" team that got preferential treatment, not the men's or women's team. 2A01:E34:EF5E:4640:F81F:15C7:56E8:1694 (talk) 16:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

As you rightly say the defense seems more like for special treatment for a movie star. Here what I am trying to confirm is, whether the differentiation being claimed to be fair is really fair (of course within limits of scope of this forum).

• Questions like whether each of male team member had been successful previously, or is there any new entrant in that team.
• Question 2 and 3 are distinct questions, seeking to cross check on over all background of gender equilibrium in French sports culture

Bookku (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

But why give any of them preferential treatment? Especially as the spokesman repeatedly stated that money for travel was limited. Why not just send everyone at the lowest fare? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Country codes KHM and CBG for Cambodia

Why is the ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 code for Cambodia KHM? I am aware that Cambodia is mostly inhabited by Khmer people, but this is not a usual derivation of the ISO code. And why is the ITU letter code CBG? What does the G stand for? --KnightMove (talk) 12:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

CBG may be derived from the French Cambodge. --Wrongfilter (talk) 12:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense, thank you. --KnightMove (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

This has some background. When the 3 letter codes were established, the official name of Cambodia was Kampuchea. --Jayron32 12:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

According to our article ISO 3166-1 alpha-3 "They were first included as part of the ISO 3166 standard in its first edition in 1974" and at that time Cambodia was the Khmer Republic. KHM are the first three letters of Khmer Republic. DuncanHill (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

And according to our article ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 the two-letter code KH, introduced at the same time, is "taken from former name: Khmer Republic". DuncanHill (talk) 13:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Somewhat strange that this code was retained when the name of the country changed. --KnightMove (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

It didn't seem important to change it, perhaps? There are many such situations in which the norms do not change following actual life, for instance, in Europe we use swift codes for bank transactions, but the codes do not change even if banks change ownership/ names and the like - there is no provision in the scheme for them to be changed at all. --Ouro (blah blah) 20:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Once a code is established, there's not necessarily any practical reason to change it. Hence the O'Hare Airport code ORD, which orginally stood for "Orchard" or "Orchard/Douglas". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:50, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Another example: Even given the high profile conflict regarding the country name of Macedonia, now North Macedonia, the ISO codes remain MKD and MK. --T*U (talk) 09:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Karate

These are two posters of real-life Japanese karatekas. One of them is Mas Oyama, but the other?

Agal

As worn by Ali bin Hussein, King of Hejaz

Is this dark headgear around keffiyeh an older variety of agal or something else? Appears to be out of fashion now. Thanks. Brandmeister^talk 17:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it's a type of agal. they come in many shapes and sizes and fashions come and go, but they all serve the same function. Xuxl (talk) 16:22, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

passive smoking

what is the science behind passive smoking/secondhand smoking being a 60% more harmful than active smokers? Grotesquetruth (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I do not think that the way you describe the evidence is correct. Read Passive smoking, which has over 200 references to reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure but sources tell passive smokers are at a higher percent chance of risk than active smokers? I just want to know what the science behind that is? Grotesquetruth (talk) 08:00, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Which sources claim that? HiLo48 (talk) 19:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Did you look for this subject on Google? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

hm. is there no such evidence? or is the purport just a fallacy? Grotesquetruth (talk) 17:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

So far, the only one who's claiming that is you! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:09, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

contribute if you have something real to share towards the topic, if not honestly just don't bother. Grotesquetruth (talk) 17:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

If you're not going to do any of your own research, why should anyone else here bother? You've posed a premise that's based on nothing, and expect answers. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)