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Admiral Wilhelm Souchon

How do you pronounce his name in German? The same as in French, like Alain Souchon? Thanks for help. --Omidinist (talk) 06:46, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Since I couldn't find the name in the Duden pronunciation dictionary, I've asked at de:Wikipedia:Auskunft#Wilhelm Souchon and will report back as soon as I get an answer. Angr (talk) 07:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Angr, for clearing it up for me. --Omidinist (talk) 08:36, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I answered the question at the German ref desk already, but here my answer in more detail. It is a French name pronounced with native German phonemes as ßuschong (English Ssooshong). --Pp.paul.4 (talk) 09:11, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you both. --Omidinist (talk) 11:22, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Trying to think of a word to describe a specific area....

I am thinking about ancient Egyptians. They built steeles and obelisks and other monuments whose purpose was to glorify specific achievements of a pharaoh or perhaps the nation itself.

The word i am thinking of would be one that describes a larger area whose purpose is to display such monuments. Particularly i am thinking of a garden like area with many small steeles. I don't know if it is related to Egypt at all, or if there even is such a thing or word for the concept.

All i can think of is the phrase "propaganda garden" =\ Please help?

Thanks!!! 137.81.118.126 (talk) 07:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

In the UK we have the National Memorial Arboretum and some cemeteries with a lot of monuments such as Bunhill Fields. However, monuments are usually put where the maximum number of people will see them, such as city squares. Putting them into a depository where they will get lost among the others rather misses the point.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:43, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I will add a little background detail to this question. I am asking this because i am modeling a castle in a game i play. My intent is to incorporate this garden idea as part of the model...

What you seem to be suggesting, Shantavira, is that i should instead distribute said monuments in various places around the castle/keep/wherever, or in areas of high traffic, instead of in one location that people can visit?

(edit) of course, you are also suggesting a name for this "depository" doesnt exist because the depository doesnt exist, as its non-sensical.

137.81.118.126 (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Some suggestions:

• Monument Park
• Memento Park
• Sculpture garden

Mitch Ames (talk) 09:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

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In China, they have the Forest of Steles... AnonMoos (talk) 13:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Since this is a project of the imagination...on the one hand, you could have your monuments grouped in a semi-private place if you wished to impress not the general populace but a small tranche thereof, as for example only courtiers had access to the pleasure grounds of the monarch (e.g. gardens of Versailles, until they got stormed). On the other hand, the monuments could be stored together without anyone much looking at them, if the people they represented had fallen out of favour. I believe there were many such junkyard collections of Heroic Leaders in the years after the fall of the Soviet Union, and this has now been turned on its head with the rise of communist statue parks (ref), such as the Graveyard of Fallen Monuments in central Moscow. A fictional example occurs in The Chronicles of Narnia, when all the creatures that the White Witch has turned to stone are used to decorate her courtyard. BrainyBabe (talk) 13:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

How about "lapidarium"? — Kpalion^(talk) 09:12, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Instead of putting your monuments in an enclosure, a more common approach was to mount them along - and at either end of - a grand processional avenue. The term Triumphal Way is commonly used for this, perhaps after the Via Triumphalis in Rome - we don't have an article but it's mentioned in Pons Neronianus. Constantinople had the Mese, which included a rather grand monument called the Milion. Paris has its Axe historique (also known as ""La Voie Triomphale"). London has The Mall (no monuments along the way but some jolly big ones at either end). Typically of British understatement, it's named after a ball game that used to be played there. Berlin has the Siegesallee - the 96 statues of Prussian kings and other notables were removed in 1945 but were sensibly buried by a museum curator and replaced in situ in 1979. Alansplodge (talk) 18:11, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

unless like the forest of steles, you wanted to protect them in which case imho, "garden of records" mght suit. (sorry, eating soip with other hand)Manytexts (talk) 06:20, 22 December 2011 (UTC)