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Why Mien Language never heard of

A suggestion for a person that invented or create --NBC99 (talk) 14:13, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Siri I notice that is an international every country every region Siri can translate or have options they prefer, but excepted one content, and language Was never put on and technology esp. MIEN, We exist small populations same as Laos, Thai, and Hmong. The older generation had education at all they can really only understand MIEN speaking only can’t write can’t read. My mom n dad still using flip phone because they can’t text can’t use other high tech because their no mien voice instruction them. I do admazes so thankful Siri creator it is amazing, but I wish Mien voice there also just like all those contents languages. Ħ

I've reformatted your question to avoid breaking some markup syntax. You're at the reference desk at Wikipedia; we're not affiliated with Apple or Siri in any way. You can apparently make Siri learn a new language, at least according to these sites: one, two. Maybe you could try that? Matt Deres (talk) 17:14, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

See Mienic languages. 92.31.141.124 (talk) 11:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Neither source really seems to suggest it's possible for a random end user to teach Siri new languages. The first source is about what Apple does. It does discuss how as part of this process they will deploy a dictation mode to allow text to speech in the language and they use samples from this to try and improve recognition but it sounds to me like that will needed to be deployed by Apple first. The second is weirdly written, it sounds like the author is probably a moderate second language speaker of English at best. It seems to discuss a mismash of things. It mentions how some researchers are trying to teach ASR systems new languages. But it's not clear this is on Siri. More to the point, the solution they're trying is more of a general thing namely to use non native speakers for the initial training. It then goes onto a bit of a rambling digression about the wonders of Siri learning new languages but says "if we ever" (um okay) and ends with basically saying well at the moment you can try using Siri to learn a new language. Nil Einne (talk) 20:24, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

assert itself as

What does "assert itself as" mean, as in the sentence "Seoul has asserted itself as a music hotspot."? Thank you! -- 14:54, 5 August 2018 114.249.227.82

It's basically a more active-sounding way of saying "become". You could also say "...has put itself on the map as a"... AnonMoos (talk) 16:15, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd say that "asserted itself" implied both intention and communication. Saying that Seoul had asserted itself as a music hot spot implies that they worked to make that happen and that they market themselves in that way. You wouldn't say that a place had "asserted itself" as a haven for drug-addicts or oversize mosquitoes or something, but you could still use "become" in those instances. Matt Deres (talk) 17:18, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

There's a little more to it than that. For example, a college may assert itself as a centre of excellence, but it may have been a centre of excellence since its foundation in mediaeval times. 92.31.141.124 (talk) 11:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

"Asserted" in this case is just used as a more emphatic synonym of "claim". It just means "to claim emphatically or forcefully". See here. --Jayron32 16:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)