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August 20

Orthography question

Has there ever been an orthography that's used cz for /tʃ/ or /tɕ/ alongside v for /v/? 71.126.56.175 (talk) 04:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Arguably English, although cz for /tʃ/ is almost only used in Czech. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 10:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I misread that as saying that cz was used in the Czech language, and was about to reply that it wasn't.

English formerly used cz for /ts/ (or /s/) in Czar, so it's a stretch to say that it uses if for /tʃ/. ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

I think "Czar" is normally pronounced /zɑːr/. At least on this side of the Pond. --Trovatore (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

But cz was used in Czech, until the 15th century, when it was replaced by č. Czech also used v at that time, but there was no clear distinction between u and v yet. PiusImpavidus (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The Hungarian alphabet has "v" for /v/ and has sometimes used "cz" for /tʃ/. You can still see this in some names such as Joseph Boczov. --Amble (talk) 04:18, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Also György Cziffra, where it's clearer that the cz is a single unit and not split as might be thought to be the case in Boc/zov. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 16:28, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but in Cziffra, the cz is /ts/. In Boczov the cz seems to be /tʃ/, and it also contains v for /v/, meeting both of the OP’s requests. —Amble (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)