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December 12

Outline of academic disciplines

Maybe that is a vague title, but I don't know exactly what to call this. We all know for instance that Organic chemistry is considered a subtopic of the broader field of Chemistry and that Quantum physics is a particular realm of Physics. And that both chemistry and physics and considered subfields of the broader field of science. But is there any sort of widely recognized similar "outline" format generally available for the various other fields of study? John Carter (talk) 01:31, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• See trivium and quadrivium. At my undergrad university there were applied and theoretical majors, although this was not an official term. The "applied" majors were engineering, agriculture, landscaping, business, pre-med, and pre-law. These were all separate special faculties not considered part of the liberal arts school, which was "theoretical". Admissions to those schools were separate. Students in the liberal arts studied courses in the sciences and humanities. Basically the humanities dealt with issues affected by human choice; from history and archaeology to literature and philosophy. The sciences dealt with things ruled by the laws of nature; physics, chemistry, biology, psychology. Of course there was some overlap. Pre-Med, Agricultural and Landscaping Majors filled certain classes in the biology department. Plant Ecology had a quota of half liberal arts majors and half landscapers. There's no one true such categorization. Is Homer art, history, grammar or archaeology? Any such classification will deal with the needs of the school, what it can offer, and the needs of the students. I can tell you any liberal arts school with a land grant college attached will have interesting cliques form when students from the different schools interact. Oh, and there are also universities that offer degrees in hotel management. μηδείς (talk) 04:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

• Many colleges and universities have a "school of arts and sciences" or a "college of liberal arts and sciences" or some such. Leaf through their course offerings. It should give you a pretty good idea on common classification schemes for stuff like this. --Jayron32 04:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

How on Earth does it make sense for a 'liberal arts' college to offer science degrees?! I knew the US education system was odd, but that just takes the cake. 82.21.7.184 (talk) 09:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

It makes total sense. Read where the term "liberal arts" comes from ,[1] and also take a look at liberal arts. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:00, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

FWIW, the reason for asking the question is to try to figure out what would be the best way to structure the Bibliography of encyclopedias and its related articles in a way which would be fairly easy to grasp. On finishing adding some data from one source to those lists, I intend to create a Bibliography of reference sources which would probably be about 8 to 10 times as detailed, and having some help in structuring the various sections of the existing and yet-to-exist pages would help a lot. John Carter (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

See Category:Library cataloging and classification.—Wavelength (talk) 17:40, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

You also might want to see Propædia. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Company formation information assistance/help

Wikipedia does not give legal advice. This is an explicit request for legal advice. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Hello, I would like to know, if it is possible to open up a company name (Ltd/Charity) in Detroit Michigan (Rochester Hills) with just a home address. I wish to open up a company name, copyright it at the same time if possible. (Russell.mo (talk) 10:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC)) The laws on creation of businesses are going to vary from place to place. You may need to talk to a lawyer at some point,. But at the very least, talk to your local chamber of commerce for ideas on how to get started. They may have some printed material than you can consult. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC) What do you mean, "open up a company name"? Your question seems to contemplate both forming a company (or possibly incorporating as a charitable LLC) and trademarking the company's name. You need to talk to a lawyer. There's a lot of other factors I don't think you're likely to be considering. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 12:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC) Lawyers cost money. He will almost certainly need a lawyer eventually. But the local business organization should be able to give the OP good advice on how to get started. In Minnesota, for example, there is a government-issued publication on how to incorporate. There are fees involved there, too, of course. As I recall, you can do it for as low as a hundred bucks or two. But the details of the business can get involved, and that's when a lawyer comes into the picture. In fact, I would say that any business in operation anywhere should have an attorney at the ready. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:06, 12 December 2014 (UTC) I don't have much to add - other than to STRONGLY recommend that you think about the internet and that your choice of name isn't already taken as a URL. Probably the first thing you do should be to spend $10 or $20 at a domain registrar like GoDaddy (or whatever) to register your business name's future website. Since other people think the same way - that's actually a pretty reasonable way to ensure that nobody else will grab your name before you get the business running - and that your name choice is reasonably unique. SteveBaker (talk) 15:50, 12 December 2014 (UTC) Google is cheaper than a lawyer. First result: City of Detroit: BUSINESS - Looking to start a business and realize the American dream?. Alansplodge (talk) 15:53, 12 December 2014 (UTC) I’m not based there. I'm not even there. I'm in a third world country. I know someone who is willing to work for me. My plan is to open up a charity company that’s if I can only manage and maintain. Mentioning from a hearsay: I heard someone saying that government keeps a heavy watch on it due to not receiving the tax sum. Also, government or other organisations try to butt in, try to take the charity company off of your hand once you establish and cannot manage and maintain very well… I do wish to open up a charity company but I don’t want any third party involvements. I need full access to what I do with it. I’ll have the desired documents whenever a tax man comes or whenever someone request what I have done with the charity money and so on. I wish to receive a payment for working regardless of whether it is my charity company or not. I also wish to pay whoever works for my charity company. The expanses mitigation will be done with the donation as well, and document and proofs will be provided (if requested). If third parties involve themselves than I have to go Ltd which I don’t want to. Basically, I want the same facilities as the Ltd i.e. my own company, I get paid from it, I pay my workers, I take expenses out for the work purpose, I can take my time with the money to do what I want with it (e.g., whatever I tell people I'm collecting the money for (which will take a long time to establish...), but as a charity company because I wish to work for God... I don't want to pay 'Satan' (tax). The guy who lives in Detroit Michigan (Rochester Hills), he went and found out some information, what he said to me baffled me. Basically he said, 'there is no way you can just open up a company name in a home address, you have have a separate office and so on. I am pretty sure that company formation and copyrighting the name internationally will require at least one/two address, though it may vary from country to country. Based on my assumption, the guy whom I sent to find out about company formation, I think they baffled him by saying a few unnecessary things, because the guy only understanding English when someone speaks but his feedback is like "Hello, _ _ _ fine, thank you. _ _ _ _ _ _ you fine? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ open _ company, what _ _ I do". Broken English basically. I'm just assuming he was misguided... I viewed the link. there is nowhere it explains what and how to open up a Ltd or LLC. Plus nowhere it mentions the requisites. I need help. I need to do something so that I can get out of here quickly... (Russell.mo (talk) 17:55, 12 December 2014 (UTC))

pineapples

Hi: I'm doing a story on Lady Elizabeth Bruce, wife of Robert Randolph Bruce, who was the daughter of Lord Iddesleigh. I visited her home in Devon England and came across the pineapple as a symbol of wealth and status. I was surprised when looking on Google for a reference to this, that there was no Wikipedia article linked to it. I read the Wiki article on pineapples and couldn't find anything. Thought you might want to include this.

From: http://www.foodbeast.com/2014/03/03/til-people-used-to-rent-pineapples/ The pineapple made its way to England in the 17th century and by the 18th century, being seen with one was an instant indicator of wealth -- a single pineapple could cost the equivalent of $8,000 today. In fact, the fruit was so desirable and rare that consumers often rented a pineapple for the night to show off to fellow party-goers. Read more at http://www.foodbeast.com/2014/03/03/til-people-used-to-rent-pineapples/#IyHjRV8U27ISdqdz.99

From: http://www.secret-london.co.uk/Pineapples.html First brought to Europe by Christopher Columbus in 1493, from the Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, pineapples remained a rare delicacy for centuries and hence became a symbol of wealth and hospitality. In the 18th century, a pineapple cost the equivalent of £5,000 today. John Rose, gardener to the Earl of Essex, presented ‘the first pineapple raised in England’ to King Charles II in 1661. They were grown in greenhouses – rare due to the expense of making glass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.66.232.189 (talk) 14:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

That's an insanely cool story! But here is not the place to discuss it - we're here to answer questions, not to take suggestions. I strongly recommend that you go to the talk page of the article and make your suggestion there. Also, if you were to mention the "Renting pineapples" thing on Wikipedia talk:April Fools and I'm sure someone will make sure that we have an article on it on the Wikipedia front page on April 1st...it's just too good to miss. SteveBaker (talk) 15:44, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

We may have missed a huge chunk (pun intended) of pineapple related history on our Pineapple page, but we do have an article on "the most bizarre building in Scotland", the Dunmore Pineapple. Alansplodge (talk) 15:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

This looks to me to be about one of a huge number of topics which we don't represent very well here yet, relating to specific topics in what might be called "popular culture" or maybe to their symbolic meanings over time. Unfortunately, for a lot of topics of those sorts, the sources are often kind of peripheral to the main topics themselves. Some of us (I will not use one banned editor's trademark phrase) I and a few others are trying to get together some of the major reference sources which might relate to the topics of symbolism and popular culture usage of things, but I think it might take a while before we get all that content integrated into the relevant articles. John Carter (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Erik Andersson, former Oldest living man in Sweden

Anyone know Erik Andersson's death date? I can't find it in this article or any article about his death: http://www.thelocal.se/20141210/swedens-oldest-man-passes-away-at-109 Deaths in 2013 (talk) 20:26, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

This article says he died on Monday, presumably December 8. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:30, 12 December 2014 (UTC)