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June 28

Adding my email address to a wikiHow account

I created a wikiHow account sometime ago and have now decided that I would like to include my email address on my page. Is there a way to do that, or can you only do it when first creating your account?Miscellaneous131 (talk) 00:40, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia; WikiHow is something different, please log on to your account there: http://www.wikihow.com/Main-Page — (I don't see any obvious place for account help, however) 71.20.250.51 (talk) 01:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

What fruit is this, How to Eat It?

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Fruit

Please help identify the fruit, as we don't know whether to eat it or not

59.182.71.57 (talk) 04:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

You'll have to upload the picture somewhere. We cannot view pictures on your own media. --Jayron32 04:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

If you don't know what it is, DON'T EAT IT.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 05:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

He uploaded this on another site [here]. You can tell it is the same pic because it has the same name. Links to pics: IMG_20140628_084653998.jpg and IMG_20140628_084745910.jpg. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 03:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hard to say, looks like a small citrus fruit of some sort, either an unripe kumquat or an unripe key lime would be my best guess. But those pictures make it hard to say. --Jayron32 03:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

It's hard to determine the exact leaf shape from the pictures, but my guess is a member of the walnut family, and yes, unripe. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Pavlyuk Uprising

Pavlyuk was corresponding with Russia in 1637 regarding his rebellion in Ukraine according to the article. Alexis I is mentioned as his contact but Alexis would have been only about eight years old at that time. The article probably meant to say his father Michael I was the contact. An expert on Ukrainian history can help clear this up.

For the most part, Wikipedia is not edited by "experts"; articles are edited by folks like you!  The source in Pavlyuk Uprising relating to Alexis I is a book written in Polish, however; so it might be difficult to verify or refute. If you can find a reliable source (WP:RS) for a correction, then please do so. Otherwise, you could explain your concerns on the article's talk page (here) — but that page has not received any postings since the article was created in 2005. An alternative would be to contact an active contributor. User:Halibutt is the page creator and major contributor, and is active (as of 23 June 2014).  ~I hope this helps,  —71.20.250.51 (talk) 06:26, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

right to roam

Can you tell me if the right to roam applies to land such as a Cemetery, without a gate, which is I believe the property of a Diocese?. 85.210.147.143 (talk) 21:52, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Presumably this question relates to the UK. I don't know anything about this personally, but our article on Freedom to roam indicates that the legal right only applies to undeveloped land, which a cemetery is not. I presume, however, that unless a cemetery has a sign that specifically restricts access, it can be visited by anybody. Looie496 (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Cemeteries almost invariably have surrounding walls and fences, and are opened at specific advertised times by the authority that maintains them; anyone may visit, but trying to do so out of hours will lead to frustration. As Looie observes, they are developed land, and so the right to roam does not apply to them. Also - cemeteries in the UK are usually run the local authority or an independent company, as distinct from churchyards which are maintained as part of the freehold of the attached church (rather than by the diocese directly). In some areas churchyards are open 24/7 in a way that cemeteries are not; many have public rights of way running across them. Be sure to check exactly what kind of place you're visiting, and if necessary what rights apply to it. AlexTiefling (talk) 22:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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Anyway probably we can't tell you, as there's a good chance it depends on precisely which jurisdiction you're referring to. I presume you're not referring to New Zealand since there's edit: no freedom to roam on private land right here [1] and there was great controversy when it was briefly considered [2] with TV ads and everything.

Your IP looks up to the UK, but even if that's where you're referring to, it may still not be enough as it may depend whether you are referring to Scotland or England and Wales. I presume you're not referring to Northern Ireland, since it doesn't sounds like there's any such right there either [3] [4][5]. Your IP geolocates to Wallington, London, but I've been told geolocation in the UK can be quite unreliable and I'm not sure if that extends to someone in Scotland with an apparently fixed line broadband connection appearing to be in Greater London so there's little point in me guessing.

Bear in mind that we will not provide legal advice and there's also a chance it will depends on the specifics. (For example whether you are just intending to roam in the cemetery, or go through it to gain access to somewhere.) There may also be laws besides the freedom to roam laws which apply to cemeteries, again may be depending on the circumstances of you visit, see e.g. [6] in some jurisdictions in the US (and as per our article, no US jurisdictions have a general public right of freedom to roam on private land).

Nil Einne (talk) 22:44, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I live in the north of Scotland and I geolocate to England (the HQ of my ISP). In Scotland, where our rights are the strongest in the UK, access rights (which only apply if exercised responsibly) do not extend everywhere and one exclusion which might apply to some cemeteries is "non-residential buildings and associated land".[7] Having a fence or a gate in itself does not disallow access rights. In England and Wales the right is generally only over open country.[8] In my experience you may go into a cemetery anywhere in the UK but in E&W you won't have a legal entitlement. Thincat (talk) 10:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I don't think there is any general legal right of access to cemeteries, and there are varying and sometimes strict rules about what you are allowed to do in some cemeteries, but I've never seen one where adults are not allowed access during the daytime (unaccompanied children are sometimes banned). Occasionally (rarely) the gates are locked and a key has to be sought, and just occasionally special permission has to be obtained. Dbfirs 15:34, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Keeping a cemetery locked 24 x 7 would be counterintuitive to the idea of a "memorial park". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Right - but there's a difference between an essentially unsupervised facility with access '24/7' or 'any reasonable hour', and one which is opened and closed by staff at fixed times. (We still haven't resolved the ambiguity as to whether this is a municipal cemetery, a churchyard, or something else.) AlexTiefling (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

(The two that I know are kept locked are a Jewish cemetery in London and a Quaker burial ground in the valley next to where I live. Both have been unused for many years.) If it's the property of a Diocese then it's almost certainly a churchyard, which is private land with assumed permission for public access, but with restrictions on what is allowed there, and no "right to roam" as a legal right (as mentioned above). Dbfirs 06:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Totally anecdotal, and far from the UK, but I'd sometimes tag along as a kid to my grandfather's funerals (he was a director, not a vampire), and struck up a semi-friendship with the priest who ran/owned/guarded/whatever the cemetery. I asked him about sneaking in, and he said the only deterrent or penalty is the fence itself. If you didn't mind being moderately inconvenienced (in and out), you were free to visit peacefully.

The fence was mainly to keep dogs and their ghoulish ilk out, and decorative. Plenty of Gothic ironwork screams impalement at you, even if you're just passing by, but they look pointier than they are. They're like a metaphor. If you overcome them, you find you had nothing to fear. If you're in trouble at all, it's no more than a "Move along, sir." If you were moving along in the first place, they can even help you over the other side of the fence.

(I'm not your lawyer, and this isn't legal advice. There's always some element of risk in dealing with police, spikes and/or midnight. But nobody finds out what happens until they try, if they want.) InedibleHulk (talk) 07:52, 2 July 2014 (UTC)