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March 12

H F Verwoerd

Hi All, I have been trying to find transcripts of the original laws put into place by H F Verwoerd. I would like to read what was actually laid down in law rather than someone's interpretation of these. I would also be curious to read, listen to or watch any full speeches given by the said individual. I have not been able to find these on youtube or anywhere else. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.40.58 (talk) 10:21, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean by "original laws put into place"? There were many laws put into place by the Parliament of South Africa under his premiership, and there's also the South African Constitution of 1961. Which specific legislation do you have in mind? --Jayron32 13:05, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

As the father of Apartheid, I was hoping to read the legislature relating to the Apartheid laws. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.40.58 (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

This website (sahistory.org.za) seems to have all of the original documents. If you type the act into google (I used South Africa Act No. 46 of 1959 to find that one) and then find the link to the sahistory website, it seems to bring up scans of the original legislation. Just change out the text for each act you want, and you should be good. I hope that works for you! --Jayron32 19:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you actually claiming to be the father of Apartheid?? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

He's talking about Verwoerd. --Viennese Waltz 20:41, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I think Jack realizes that. But strictly speaking, that's not what "[A]s the father of Apartheid, I[...]" is supposed to mean. --Trovatore (talk) 22:48, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

PIZZA

Hello, is there any more formal type of pizza besides Napolita? Because all the other types that are about, are just inventions, or just styles by country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.8.158.176 (talk) 13:53, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not sure I follow your question. Napolita is not a type of pizza, but Neapolitan pizza is. There are many different kinds of flatbreads that get called pizza, List of pizza varieties by country covers just about all you want to know about the subject. Otherwise, I can't parse what you're actually asking; I don't know what you mean by "formal" and I don't know what you mean by "just inventions" or "just styles". If you could clarify, we could perhaps direct you to more appropriate reading material. --Jayron32 19:06, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Maybe OP is asking if there are other types of pizza that are protected, like pizza napoletana, with similar protections as traditional specialities guaranteed. The style is similar to champagne in a way where it can only be called that if it comes from the Champagne region of France. All others are "sparkling wine". If that's the question, I'd guess the answer to OP's question is "no". †dismas†|^(talk) 20:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

To be picky, in some jurisdictions you can sell "champagne" that doesn't come from Champagne. For example, in the United States, if it's a label you were selling as "champagne" before 2006. --Trovatore (talk) 23:49, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

What jurisdiction do the French have over what American winemakers call their products? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:12, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

The United States has agreed to the restriction. See Champagne#Use of the word Champagne. If the French did have jurisdiction then they would probably have banned the term completely. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

See Tennessee whiskey for a related example protecting an American region. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

So it's done via treaty, and while there is no direct jurisdiction by the originating country, there is "influence". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

No formal "treaty" AFAICT, just different countries passing similar laws that protect certain interests shared by their domestic producers. In the champagne case, it turns out that West Coast winemakers, or at least an influential set of them, want their own appellations protected in a similar scheme, and are more than willing to renounce calling their wines "champagne" in exchange. See Napa Declaration on Place. I assume Korbel Champagne Cellars was not one of the signatories, though I don't know that — they did get grandfathered in, so it's imaginable they might have accepted it. --Trovatore (talk) 04:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)