Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Dispute over style in Star Wars articles

Dispute over style in Star Wars articles

Users involved:

User:A Link to the Past
User:clawson
User:Copperchair
User:Philwelch
User:The Wookieepedian (formerly User:Adamwankenobi)

Involved articles:

These articles (and possibly others I'm not aware of) are in a near-continuous state of reversion, over a handful of stylistic arguments. There may be more arguments going on I'm not aware of, but the primary ones seem to be a dispute over who should be credited in the cast section (and how it should be ordered and how Denis Lawson should be credited), and which navbox template should be used. (Other revert wars I've spotted include the inclusion/removal of a Wikibooks link and whether or not certain fansite links should be included.)

As part of the disputes, there has been quite a bit of harsh language exchanged (e.g. the entirety of Talk:Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back#Wedge Antilles: Dennis Lawson (as Denis Lawson)), as well as several users omitting or falsifying edit summaries and numerous 3RR violations.

The RFC currently ongoing against User:Copperchair is also related to this dispute.

(I apologize for any omissions; I'm an outsider to this dispute, and may have missed out on some salient points.) - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 23:13, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh crap, huge dispute. I'll give this to Uncle Ed, awaiting his acceptance. As an injunction may I suggest you guys refrain from editing those pages over stylistic things?. R e dwolf24 (talk) 00:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Philwelch and I are in dispute over the content of the two templates I added to the list. The Wookieepedian 02:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's also a silly revert war over whether the line "also known as TPM" should be included in the lead section of The Phantom Menace (and similar lines in other film articles). I would be more involved in these articles but the constant bickering and revert wars have discouraged me from participating, so I've stepped back and been merely observing for the most part over the past month. Star Wars fans can be so fickle... Coffee 17:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Acceptance by members involved

The Wookieepedian 00:38, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Copperchair 00:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC

Decline

I respectfully decline to be involved in this mediation. As the RfC against Copperchair demonstrates, Copperchair is a continual problem editor and a serious user conduct problem. Put simply, I do not negotiate with trolls. It is useless to mediate with Copperchair when he continually ignores consensus, lies, fabricates edit summaries, and refuses to follow agreements that he makes. I do not have the patience to deal with that kind of user, nor do I have the capacity of self-deception required to pretend that he is a good-faith contributor who I can go into mediation with. Until the user conduct issue is settled, there is no point even discussing content disputes that involve him.

As a show of good faith I will remove myself from the editing disputes under question here for the duration of the mediation—that is, so long as Wookie, Clawson, and Link refrain from participating in these editing disputes as well. Copperchair has already broken the injunction, but that is normal behavior for him and I will not bother to revert it.

— Phil Welch 05:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: If you want to contact me about this, save me the time and post it on my [[latest talk archive instead of my talk page, because I'm just going to move it over there without responding anyway. — Phil Welch 05:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Since signing this RfM, Copperchair has done nothing but continue with his old behaviour. I'm therefore withdrawing my support for it. I assumed good faith on his part, but it appears that faith was misplaced. Until Copperchair demonstrates good faith and a little more maturity, I will not be involved in a mediation with him.--chris.lawson 23:01, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Abandonment

I declare this case dropped. All those involved have pulled out (cept for the wookieepedian and copperchair, but this won't go anywhere with the other three involved not interested) and this is basically just harboring attacks and complaints against Copperchair. If its this serious and you're this passionately against him, file an RfAr. Complaining about him without being willing to enter mediation won't go anywhere otherwise, as the goal of mediation is to get you all happy with eachother. But since you're unwilling, this case is now dropped. R e dwolf24 (talk) 23:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]