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October 11

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{{US-bassist-stub}} / Category:United States bassist stubs / {{US-bass-guitarist-stub}} ( Category:United States bass guitarist stubs

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The result of the debate was delete bass guitarist cat, redirect template to bassist


I don't really see the distinction between a bassist and a bass guitarist, especially when the categories link to the exact same thing. One has roughly 60 articles, one has roughly 120. They should probably be merged. Crystallina 04:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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various categories left over from upmerging

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The result of the debate was delete


These are all from discoveries (see Archive 16 for more details). They were recommended to be upmerged, so I did, leaving these categories behind. Should be a quick delete all. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 17:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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various cvg sub-cats

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The result of the debate was see last post by Amalas


Most of these are empty or nearly empty. I have notified the CVG WikiProject.

Delete all ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 17:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep {{MK-stub}}, {{cvg-hardware-stub}}, and {{zelda-stub}}. The cvg-hardware-stub template is used by numerous articles (although, for whatever reason, it doesn't add the articles to the category). The MK-stub template is less used (6 pages), but I still think it is quite useful. The speedrun-stub and Zelda-stub templates, on the other hand, are used by a single article (and speedrunning doesn't have a dedicated WikiProject to address the stub issue, though Zelda does). EVula 18:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC) Addendum: I think that the Zelda-stub template and cat should be kept as well, as per CyberSkull's comments. EVula 18:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all, as amended. The problems with the cvg-hardware template might related to the job queue problems I've been seeing elsewhere. I'll try some tinkering and/or null-editting if it continues to stay that way. Alai 20:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • ... and if by any chance "MK-stub" is kept, by dint of pile-on "I find it useful" 'votes', then rename as outrageously cryptic and ambiguous. (Per Virogtheconq, it really would be handy if people would read WP:STUB, and only a) apply stub tags to actual stubs, and b) only create stub tags where there's a reasonable number of stubs to apply them to.) Alai 02:56, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep {{MK-stub}}, very useful throughout all MK pages and the Mortal Kombat Wiki Project — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Haunted Angel (talk • contribs)
  • Delete all, as amended - the MK stub really only applies to two articles: Taven and Devastation, which really isn't enough to qualify for an entire stub template (the other actual articles are either advanced enough to be stub-less, or will never evolve beyond a stub - ie, Noob-Smoke). Virogtheconq 00:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What is wrong with having a stub tag handy in the event that an article is created that warrants it? Ideally, none of the articles would be stubs, I understand, but does that mean the stub tag can't be waiting, idle? If Wikipedia has unlimited space (well, more or less), having an unused maintenance template sitting around isn't harming anything. EVula 18:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The use of stub categories is different from the use of permanent categopries. They are there for editors, not readers. As such, their purpose is not to provide an aid to navigation that can quite happily work even if there are only a couple of articles in a category, they are there to provide a sorting system that is accurate enough for editors to find articles they can expand but also coarse enough that one dedicated editor won't quickly empty a category, and also coarse enough that one editor won't need to look in several categories for articles which they can expand. This is the reason why - for example - geography stub categories deal with countries and subnational regions rather than having individual templates and categories for every town. There is also the problem of patrolling categories and templates. Even with the coarse levels of sorting used, there are some 2000 stub templates and categories - enough that it's a full time job just trying to keep track of them all. Creating very finely-grained stub templates and categories is thus counterproductive - it paradoxically creates considerably more work and also make it harder for editors to expand stubs. To answer your comment directly, there are already stub tags handy for articles that warrant them, they are simply a little more coarsely-grained than the ones proposed for deletion here. Grutness...wha? 23:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Between reading up on the SFD rules and your response, I'm pretty sure I understand (and certainly agree that it would be counter-productive, for example, to have individual town stub types). I still think that it wouldn't hurt anything for it to stay (and am leaving my response as-is), and that stub categories that tie in to active WikiProjects (who, as far as I'm concerned, should be tasked to expand the stubs as part of their mere existence) should stay. On the other hand, there's a damn high probability that I'm just being overly-protective of a template and category that I created. :-) EVula 00:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • We do make some allowance for there being an active WPJ, but below a certain level it's still diminishing returns. Splitting out a tiny number of stubs into their own category tends to "isolate" them from the larger group they've been split off from, and therefore can, perversely decrease the attention they get. Where there's a middling number, it's sometimes a plan to upmerge the type (i.e., keeping the template, feeding into the parent category), which I wouldn't be unutterably opposed to here (if renamed). But when there's two actual stubs (tops), and a few more that the wikiproject wants to keep tabs on for some other reason or other, it's really going to be more efficient just to keep a list of them on the project page, or if you want to be over-engineered about it, a talk page template. Alai 04:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is where I'm torn. If the rules say that they have to go if not being used, then I'll say that the Zelda one should stay. But if they can be there for just when you need them, then they should all be allowed to stay. I do have a suggestion for EVula on the matter of loosing the template that you created: If you don't want to loose it, and if there is a day that we might need it again, then you should just copy it into your personal sandbox. ---SilentRAGE! 20:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Actually, I'd move it into the MK project's namespace, though I'm not sure if that'd be kosher or not. Alai's rationale is certainly sound; if we could keep the visual appearance of the MK stub template (but renamed) but siphon the pages into a broader category, that would be best (in my opinion). EVula 21:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what I see:

If there are no major objections, I will close this later today. ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 13:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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