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Can wikipedia find out how many accounts you have created for wikipedia?Studentcollege (talk) 18:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Studentcollege. According to WP:EDITOR: "There are currently 24,982,889 users of which 129,697 have been active in the past 30 days."

As you can see, the vast majority of accounts are inactive. I hope that you will be among the small minority of long term productive editors. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

thank you and also does Wikipedia have a timeline on when your Wikipedia account was created like for example when you first started your account for Wikipedia can your email address, the username, or password be an important factor on determining the day your first Wikipedia account was created or is it impossible to find out?Studentcollege (talk) 19:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Studentcollege: From what you have said here, it appears that you have multiple accounts. You shouldn't do that. Anyway, according to this page, you registered as "Studentcollege" on 17 March, 2015. —DangerousJXD (talk) 21:56, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is possible for certain trusted Wikipedia users to use technical information to determine that multiple accounts are being used improperly by the same person. It is only done in limited circumstances, where there is other evidence that multiple accounts are being used improperly. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:17, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

• Actually, if you just look at your user logs (which you can find by looking at your contributions), look at the user creation log and it notes that your account was created at 13:36, March 17, 2015. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:40, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

page warning.

I recently made a page called SHEROES.in and recieved a warning that there aren't any citations and references. So I added references to back the info on the page where ever needed but yet I can't get rid of the warning on the page. Please help as I don't want the page to be deleted again :) Thanks Littlegliff (talk) 19:24, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello @Littlegliff: -it is probably best to start an article using the process described here which allows you to work on your project and collect sources etc. in a generally much more forgiving space and timeframe than doing so in "live " Wikipedia article space. Also, if if you have a connection to the subject of the article you wish to write about, its probably not a good idea. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:09, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Littlefgliff. There are two separate things here. First, the tags at the top are applied and removed by human editors: there is nothing automatic about them. Any editor may remove a tag if they think it no longer applies (but if another editor disagrees, they might restore the tag). Secondly, if an editor thinks that an article is not suitable for Wikipedia and cannot be made satisfactory, there are a number of different processes whereby they can nominate the article for deletion. Deletion depends on the actual content of the article: whether or not there are tags at the top is pretty well irrelevant.

In the case of SHEROES.in, I think all the tags are still appropriate. The article is definitely at risk of deletion because it does not have a single reference which is independent of the subject discusses it at length. The first one is published by SHEROES.in, so cannot contribute to its notability, while the others do not even mention it, but are all about its founder. This suggests that Chahal may indeed be notable enough to have an article about her, but unless you find several articles (or books) where people unconnected with SHEROES.in have written at length about it, then it is impossible at present to write an acceptable article about it. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, if an article gets deleted, don't recreate straight away, as you did by creating SHEROES.in immediately after SHEROES was deleted as an unambiguous advert. I've put this article for speedy deletion again, as it's still promotional. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Images?

At times, I love stupid questions, so here's my first. How do you upload an image to your home page? 15Rock (talk) 22:32, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I guess you could try to find a picture at Wikimedia Commons, but you can't upload a picture that you took to my knowledge. Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 22:48, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dunkleosteus77: I think you have that mixed up - you very much can upload a picture you took at the Wikimedia Commons, and it's encouraged. The Commons is made possible by people who donate their images under acceptable free licenses.

@FifteenRock: Not a stupid question at all! What you refer to as your home page is actually called your userpage. As Dunkle mentioned, you can take any picture from the Wikimedia Commons and place it on your userpage with the following code: [[File:Example.jpg|thumb|right|caption]]. Replace Example.jpg with the name of the file, and caption with an image caption. You can replace right with left if you want the image to be aligned to the left, instead of the right. Wikipedia:Picture tutorial has more details on various ways you can style your image (resizing, etc.).

If you have a picture you'd like to upload and use on your userpage, you can also do that at the Wikimedia Commons. Note that the Commons is a repository of freely licensed images, and you must donate your image under an acceptable free license there if you'd like to use it. You also have to own the rights to the image - or in other words, you have to have taken it yourself. If you have any questions or need clarification, feel free to ask! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:37, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I hate to be pedantic when a hamster is involved in the conversation, but if you hire a photographer on a fee basis who is willing to grant all rights to the photos to you as the client, then you can upload those photos to Wikimedia Commons. Please credit the photographer. It is the right thing to do. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:02, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia for advertising purposes

Today, I was viewing a manufacturer's website which said their product now contains this chemical. Looking up on the Wiki article on said chemical shows me that the company has recently edited the article to include a major plug for themselves and include themselves as a reference. Should this be removed? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methyl_dihydrojasmonate

174.74.87.58 (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

 Removed yes it should, it's clear advertising/promotion. The IP address has also been warned. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:38, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Reviews?

I've been trying to get a peer review request for the Phanerozoic article because I've added the "Eras of the Phanerozoic" section. I've tried following the template, but it's not working. I got stuck on the first step (add {{subst:PR} to the top of the talk page). Please help! Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 22:54, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Wait, nevermind... Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 23:00, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dunkleosteus77: Looks like you got it, I just did some cleaning up with this edit. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:28, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Dunkleosteus77 (talk) 16:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

1?

i?Ogmari0209 (talk) 18:29, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ogmari0209. Here at the Teahouse, we answer questions about editing Wikipedia. Also, we do not give medical advice. You may want to try posting a general question at the Reference desk for science. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

@Ogmaari0209: Please ask your doctor about what medications you should take and when you should take them, not strangers on the internet. Winner 42 Talk to me! 19:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

replying to a wikipedia user

@theroadislong What did you mean when you said using multiple accounts or coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia? Also, what did you mean using multiple accounts with the help from another person?Studentcollege (talk) 22:11, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Theroadislong: You have a question here. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:15, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: You should have put this at your talk page. This message does not belong here. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: You asked below "Can wikipedia find out how many accounts you have created for wikipedia?" As it is bad form to create more than one account, I left an explanatory message on your talk page. Please don't leave multiple duplicate messages on my talk page either it looks disruptive. Theroadislong (talk) 07:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

You have noted on my talk page that you have two accounts please read WP:sockpuppetry. Theroadislong (talk) 21:18, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Abbreviation or full title?

Hi Teahouse, when the long name of an organization is mentioned once in an article, such as Recording Industry Association of America, which is followed by the abbreviation in parentheses (RIAA), can the organization be called just the RIAA abbreviation for the rest of the article? In this case, it is in the same paragraph, so I'm working on the assumption that the abbreviation should be used: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan_Trainor_discography

Thanks! Mechanic1c (talk) 20:01, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, @Mechanic1c:. Yes, you are correct, that if you will be using a name of many words multiple times in an article, you only need to use the full name once, put the acronym (or other standard nickname) in parens behind the name and then in the rest of the article, just use the acronym/nickname. Its part of the manual of style that you can find: WP:MOS (there's a lot of it, and a lot of the bits are under titles that you might not expect, so if you cannot find something, feel free to ask here or on the MOS talk page.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

My page is redirected

Hi Teahouse, I'm a new editor. Half month before, I created an entry of a Japanese novel named " Danshi kokosei de urekko raito noberu sakka o shite iru keredo toshishita no kurasumeito de seiyu no onnanoko ni kubi o shimerarete ire", which includes information of synopsis of the book, author, publishing date, publisher, ISBN, etc. Why is it now redirected to it's author's page, which is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiichi_Sigsawa? Is it possible to continue editing that page of the book?

QiwenWangqiwen (talk) 22:36, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

@Wangqiwen: Hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse. Checking over the article history for the novel, it seems like it was redirected to the author's page because they felt like the novel did not meet the notability criteria for books (or our general notability guidelines). Articles on books should generally be avoided when they do not meet those criteria. If you have sources that support the novel's notability, you can recreate it by editing this article here. I'd also consider discussing this with the editor who redirected the article, Jac16888. One other thing is whether there is an alternate, shorter title for the book-- this seems like a rather clunky search title.

To reach a redirect page in general, there's a little note in the top of the target page that says "redirected from (article name)". If you click on the article name link, you'll be able to edit that article title directly. I, JethroBT ^{drop me a line} 00:00, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Appending a borderline zip code to a city

Perhaps I should simply address this in the city's 'talk' page, but I live in North Swanzey, NH 03431 - which is also the zip for Keene, NH... however, North Swanzey is considered part of Swanzey, NH 03446. I'd like to see an addition of my zip code on the Swanzey, NH wiki with perhaps (North Swanzey) or (N. Swanzey/Keene) to qualify it. There are many reasons I'd like to see this clarification listed on the official Wikipedia page, including making map update requests, correcting addresses for national corporations like credit cards and even Federal/Regional government oversights.

If I should be allowed to even bother in the first place, how and where do I begin such a process? I'm not familiar with 'talk' pages and there is no clear way to simply make such an update to an official city's details like that.

Thanks,

Mpicanco (talk) 03:26, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

 Done. Hi, @Mpicanco:, and welcome to the Teahouse. Anybody can edit an article by clicking the "Edit" tab near top right (if using a PC) or the pencil icon (on a mobile device) - but this one was a bit tricky for a new editor so I changed Swanzey, New Hampshire for you. I included a reference to support the new information: this is important to make sure other editors know the information is reliable.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Trying to update a page

Hi Teahouse! I'm quite new to Wikipedia, but I wanted to address the notability issue on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexalytics I've just re-written the whole thing with many more sources and an impartial voice. As such, do you know what needs to happen to get that notability warning off the top of the page? Also, I noticed that "ignored" comes up next to some of the citations. Can you explain that? Thank you so much for your help!

Charleslegros (talk) 23:03, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Charleslegros. You can remove the notability tag yourself if you believe that it meets the notability guideline for companies, however I have removed it, because the referencing shows that the company has been covered in several reliable sources.

Also, see Help:CS1 errors#text ignored for more information on the "ignored" part, but that is because some of {{cite web}}'s parameters are empty, i.e.:

{{cite web |http://www.bbb.org/central-western-massachusetts/business-reviews/internet-marketing-services/lexalytics-in-amherst-ma-255964 |title=Better Business Bureau |first=blank, error is here |last=also here |publisher=Better Business Bureau of Central & Western Massachusetts and Northeastern Connecticut |date=2010-10-15 |accessdate=2015-05-03}}

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask them below. -Esquivalience ^t 01:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The error is in the unnamed first parameter — part

{{cite web|http://www.bbb.org/...}}

should read

{{cite web|url=http://www.bbb.org/...}}

Fixed already. [1] --CiaPan (talk) 10:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Why is my company profile and achievements getting deleted?

Hi!

I am trying to create a page for my company with details about the achievements, products, PR, etc.

Why is it getting deleted and how do I ensure that the page is listed on Wiki14.140.174.226 (talk) 10:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, 14.140.174.226, and welcome to the Teahouse. You may have a mistaken idea of what an encyclopedia is. It isn't a web host for displaying a tribute to your company. The company likely already has a web site for that. Wikipedia articles summarize, in a neutral way, what has been written independently (both pleasant and unpleasant) about a company in news reports (not press releases), magazine articles and books. Likely what you wrote was considered too promotional. It is not recommended a person related to a company edit a page about it, because it's difficult for such a person to have a neutral point of view. However, there is a process called Articles for Creation (found here: WP:AFC) which allows creation of a draft article which won't be deleted right away, and the reviewers there will tell you what needs to be fixed or added before the article can be accepted. I also recommend that you create an account so that other editors can more easily communicate with you about the draft.—Anne Delong (talk) 11:26, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi. It is getting removed because you are writing an advertisement full of PR speak and laudatory language and are here for promotion which is entirely incompatible with Wikipedia's aims. Wikipedia does not have company profiles but rather encyclopedia articles. Articles need to be written neutrally (which Miles Software was very far from); they need to demonstrate that the topic is notable by including citations to reliable sources that are entirely independent from the topic (which this had none); and we also cannot accept copyright violations (which this was). The reason it was is that (assuming you own the text), you cannot use it here and retain non-free copyright over it – it would have to be released to the world, and not just licensed for Wikipedia's use, but that path is foreclosed because we could never use this text anyway. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

How to add coordinates of a location?

Dear Wiki Teahouse helpers :)

I need to place the coordinates of the Santa Maria della Scala in Trastevere, Roma, in the infoxbox in this recent article I created; Teresia Sampsonia Khan. I will be nominating this article for GA very soon, and this step is one of the last I need to fullfil in order to do so. I have only absolutely zero experience with adding coordinates to infoboxes, and I was hoping whether someone here can help me with that, or can help me directly, by placing the coordinates of this place in Roma to the infobox for me.

Regards - LouisAragon (talk) 14:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello! I have added it for you!
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 15:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Writing an article in another language based/linked to an english subject ?

Dear,

I see in a lot of articles that you can read articles on the same subjects but in other languages. How does it work when you want to add one ? Do you have to write the article in the other language then add a link to the english one ? Or do you have to make a link then write ? And, in both cases... How does it work ?

Kind Regards Aline Guilmot (talk) 13:25, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Teahouse! The answer to your question is: it is stored in WikiData as the database. You can read it here: WP:WD
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 13:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Aline Guilmot. You are very welcome to add articles in other languages. You should work in the appropriate language Wikipedia; you may (but don't have to) start from a translation of the English article - if you do, you should give proper attribution to the source: see translate us for more information. Once the new article is available in the other language Wikipedia, you can set up a link between them by picking "Edit links" from the sidebar, which will take you into Wikidata, the project where interlanguage links are managed. --ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Uploading logos with white text

I'd like to upload a logo with white text ([2]), but I'm not sure what the approved process is for editing the logo to make it visible on Wikipedia. I believe the white text on a clear background would not show up, so the image would look awful. Do I reverse it to black? Add a black background? There are other logos I have avoided uploading as well because of this. Thank you for any input you have. Faceless Enemy (talk) 02:49, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Faceless Enemy. The PNG graphic format allows transparent background, which is why your logo wouldn't show up well. My recommendation is to load your logo graphic into a graphics editor program, paste it over a suitably coloured background, and save the result, perhaps as a JPG which will retain its background. If the text areas are also transparent, you may have to "fill" them with white.

Before you go to this trouble, though, take time to read the information at Wikipedia:Logos to make sure that you are complying with the copyright laws for logos - (a low resolution version, used only on the organization's page, added to Wikipedia, not Commons. etc.) —Anne Delong (talk) 11:45, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: Yeah, I've been pretty careful about those other parameters. So just default to black then? Should I add some sort of notes to the upload about why I pick a particular background color? Faceless Enemy (talk) 13:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Faceless Enemy, I suggested black because it would seem less like part of the logo than bright blue or red. I presumed that you were talking about logos that didn't have a backround at all. However, some logos have white lettering always on a particular colour or texture of background, so if that's the case you might want to stick with what the company uses. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: okay, will do. Thank you very much. Faceless Enemy (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

statement question

hello, I want to know what coordinating editing with people outside Wikipedia means and if possible can you please provide some examples?Studentcollege (talk) 18:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Studentcollege: Could you describe where you heard that? I'm not sure exactly what that might be referring to, but there are plenty of ways that collaborative editing is done involving experienced Wikipedians, new editors, and non-editors. Here are a few examples I can think of:

• Edit-a-thons involve sitting down with others and collaboratively editing, which can also attract new editors. When done at a museum or university, non-Wikipedian academics or curators may also help out with providing resources, research guidance, etc.
• Various student groups at universities are also starting to collaboritvely edit.
• The Wikipedian in Residence program allows Wikipedians to accept a role in a museum or other institution to provide a bridge between Wikipedia and that institution.
• Many college courses around the world are starting to incorporate Wikipedia editing into their class assignments (see Wikipedia:Student assignments). Students are introduced to editing Wikipedia, and instead of simply writing reports and papers, they contribute their writing and research to Wikipedia for their grade.

Again, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking for, but hopefully this provides some useful information. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The statement comes from Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#replying to a wikipedia user. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:54, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks @Joseph2302: That certainly changes things. @Studentcollege: In that context, I believe what's being referred to by "coordinating editing with people outside of Wikipedia" is to have friends or other editors that you communicate with outside of Wikipedia, in order to push an ideology, sway a discussion, bend the rules, etc. (see sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry). ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 18:58, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Info box

we are working in class in our sandboxes before we get our articles published, how do I create an infobox in there? Kmemcc22 (talk) 18:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

There are many type of infoboxes. The template is {{infobox}}. You can find the suitable one here: WP:IB. Good Luck.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 18:14, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Kmemcc22. The easiest way is to find an article on a similar subject to the one you're writing, make sure the infobox looks sensible, then open that article for editing, and copy the whole infobox code (everything from {{infobox xxx to the matching }}. Then you can replace the data in your copy as appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Is the name of this article correct?

Poly(3-hydroxybutyrate-co-3-hydroxyvalerate)
While in WP:Naming, an example says that name the article Caffeine (not: 1,3,7-Trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione).
So here too instead of Poly(3-hydroxybutyrate-co-3-hydroxyvalerate) it should be named PHBV. Generally it is called as PHBV and not by that lengthy name. (for me: I said general as mentioned on education sites, in CBSE text books, JEE and AIPMT test papers, etc.)
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 12:24, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems to me you've 99% answered your own question and are here for a gut check. If so, I agree with your reasoning – this is a fairly clear case for application of the common names policy, as exemplified by the caffeine example from there. See also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (chemistry), which reaches the same result. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:30, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: But then what am I supposed to do. Make a redirect? [But note that PHBV is redirected to Poly(3-hydroxybutyrate-co-3-hydroxyvalerate)].
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 14:41, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, the redirect has more than one edit so you will not be able to perform the move of the page yourself (which would automatically create a redirect). I'll take care of it. But for future reference, when you have a situation like this where the move appears totally uncontroversial (because it's not a close call under our naming conventions), but is being held up by a technical impediment, make a technical move request at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting technical moves (for controversial moves, use the main request forum at the same page).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:13, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I should mention there's another way to do this. You can also tag the redirect with {{Db-move}} (the full code is {{db-move|1=PAGE TO BE MOVED HERE|2=REASON FOR MOVE}}.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: I had another query. Should we create a redirect page of "poly..."to "PHBV" (when it was first made)?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 21:26, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, every article should have redirects to it from other names the topic is known by (in English; don't make redirects from every other language, although some may be appropriate at times). "Alternative names" is the very first listing under "purpose of redirects" at Wikipedia:Redirect and for good reason: the underlying goal is that someone searching for the topic, who may know it by an alternate name, will reach the topic they are looking for when they enter the title in the search field. So this would have properly been created at the start at the common name, and a redirect created from the full chemical name and alternates. We give this advice often, e.g., Wikipedia:Your first article#Search for an existing article and WP:CRITERIA.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Eurekamp wikipedia page

After reviewing wikipedia's policy on Noticeability, I'm not sure that the page that I'm intending on creating fits the bill.

Eurekamp is a summer camp sponsored by the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada. It basically runs a series of camps based on Matthew Lipman's Philosophy for Children curriculum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_for_Children). As far as I can tell, this is a fairly unique project.

Full disclosure, I'm one of the counsellors at Eurekamp and part of the use of this page will be to provide a stimulus for an activity for a week on the role of social media, media, and empiricism on the internet in general.

Does a Eurekamp wikipedia page sound acceptable?Devinradcliffe (talk) 22:29, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Did you find any external, third-party sources about the camp? I think that might help. UnluckyClover77 (talk) 22:43, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

This is a good point, there aren't any quality sources on the camp at all. Nothing peer-reviewed has been written on the camp and none of the local media has even picked up on what's going on. I'll bring this up with our director, thanks for your response!Devinradcliffe (talk) 22:47, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem! Keep us posted. UnluckyClover77 (talk) 00:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

who can vote in wp:AFD

Hello!

I am mostly active at Swedish Wikipedia and there all can vote (including the nominator), but I do not now how it is working here, I was voting at this page and someone changed my vote to a comment!/Bro (talk) 19:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hi Bro, the reason Joy changed it was because the nomination is automatically taken as a delete so adding another delete makes it look like there is one more delete (not that it should matter that much as its the arguments more than just a straight vote count). Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

On English Wikipedia, the discussions are not-votes, the closer makes a decision based on the quality of the arguments as supported by the English Wikipedia policies taking into consideration the consensus of the editors involved. if you nominated the article and made your case there, your voice and views will be considered without "!voting" -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:43, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

First ever edit, can someone look over it and give some advice?

I recently did my first ever edit and it was on the Plot section of the 2014 film Preservation. I was just wondering if anyone could read over it and edit what I wrote or give me any tips and tricks about editing film information on Wikipedia. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Here's the page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservation_(2014_film)

Thanks!

Zeckhar2 (talk) 05:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Zeckhar2, and welcome tot the Teahouse. There's a good writeup about plot summaries here: Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary. Notice that it says that the plot summary should be "concise", and that an article should mainly be about the real-life aspects of a film (production, actors, location, origin of the story, etc.), rather than mainly about the plot. You may want to look over what you have written to see if there is excessive detail. Although there's no absolute upper limit (since some plots are more complicated than others), about 300 words is usually enough.

You have done a good job of writing clearly, and as far as I can tell you have avoided the error which some new editors make of copying the summary from another web site. There are many film articles without plot summaries that could use some TLC, so it's great that you are taking an interest in this.—Anne Delong (talk) 06:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Increase viewers

How can I increase the number of views for an article I have edited? There is not much information on the page, so I am hoping if more people notice it, they will help contribute to make the page more complete. The page I am working on is for Alice E. Shapley and has been recognized by Wikipedia as a page they would like more information for. Rwalk1993 (talk) 05:11, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Rwalk1993. Asking here is one way that you might get more people looking at Alice E. Shapley. Alternatively, you could look for an appropriate WikiProject and ask there: such as WT:WikiProject Astronomy. The major problem with the article at the moment is that the only references which are about Shapley rather than about other topics, are not independent of her. A Wikipedia article, especially one about a living person, should be almost entirely based on what other people, unconnected with the subject, have written about the subject. This is often a difficlty with articles about academics, as people don't tend to write about them very much. Finding some books from reputable publishers which talk about her and her work might be the most hopeful possibility.

I think you're misinterpreting the tag at the top. This isn't "Wikipedia" asking for more information - there isn't a "Wikipedia" in that sense, there's you and me and hundreds of thousands of other editors. That tag was applied by one editor (Neko-chan, in fact) to point up a particular shortcoming in the article: that it contains (or then contained) very few wikilinks - internal links to other Wikipedia articles. There are in fact quite a few, and possibly the tag might be removed (anybody may do this, if they think it no longer applies); but I notice that the summaries of the two papers contain none, and those are the most technical part of the current article, and so most in need of wikilinks. (I'm rather dubious that that much detail on the papers belongs in the article anyway - it should be about Shapley and her work, not about specific papers - but I'm not an astronomer). --ColinFine (talk) 09:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I added some Wikilinks to the page and removed the tag. As the editor above suggested, go to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomy and add a short notice asking other editors to look at the page and help improve it. Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Re-add image?

Hi, I added an image onto the Pi page related to Tau in the Tau section. It was immediately reverted. I posted on Talk:Pi and the only editor who replied agreed that the revert was harsh. Should I put the image on again or will that turn into edit warring? Thanks! Helloholabonjournihaonamastegutentag (talk) 22:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Welcome, willkommen, bienvenue! Have some tea! Take a look at WP:Bold, revert, discuss. You were bold in adding the image, somebody reverted it, and now it is time to discuss the matter on the article's Talk page. You are going about it in exactly the right way. Also look at the links you will find at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=tau&prefix=Talk%3APi%2F&fulltext=Search&fulltext=Search. Good luck! BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

About.com a reliable source?

Hi! I was wondering if this link is a reliable source: chemistry.about.com/cs/howtos/ht/buildavolcano.htm. It has some facts that are relevant to an article I'm writing. Thank you! --Bananasoldier (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

• Being helped on my talk page by User:acagastya. --Bananasoldier (talk) 20:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Better citations have been hunted. BUT: Please let us know if About.com can be used as trusted resource or not?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 22:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I would cite the author of that article, who holds a PhD in Chemistry. The publisher of the article is about.com. Citing about.com is probably just as acceptable as citing any other blog, where the reliability of the information depends on the quality of the author rather than peer vetting.

Since the author holds a PhD in a relevant discipline, this is probably acceptable as an expert source. As a teacher, I would accept this article as a reference from a High School student. I wouldn't accept this in an undergrad course, though.Devinradcliffe (talk) 22:37, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Since citing other blogs is generally NOT acceptable, the same applies to about.com. It is almost never acceptable. The only cases where it would be appropriate are the tremendously rare case where a notable expert in the field who has been reliably published from standard sources on the topic is posting on about.com from an account that in unquestionably authenticated as being that expert. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Very nice explanation, Doom. Clearly written. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Hi. I need help as I am a relative newbie! I am trying to add References but am being told none are admissible. How do I know what is an acceptable reference or not please? Chrispanto (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Chrispanto! You might not be citing from trusted resources. while there is lot to tell whom to refer and whom not to, but you can find it here on WP:REF. Read it, it covers everything, still if you want to ask if any resource is trustworthy, ask it here at Teahouse or at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 12:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I have read that article - very helpful. But I still don't get why the references I have given are not being allowed! Chrispanto (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC).

What is the reference source?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 13:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

These......McLean-Williams Limited

• 2.Jump up ^ http://explore.bfi.org.uk/4ce2bb3bcd1bd
• 3.Jump up ^ http://youngandtalented.co.uk/agency/
• 4.Jump up ^ http://www.royalalberthall.com/education/projects/project.aspx?id=1782
• 5.Jump up ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Johnson
• 6.Jump up ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PMSzjMsL_k
• 7.Jump up ^ http://www.womenrepublic.co.uk/entertainment/holly_olivia.htm
• 8.Jump up ^ http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2007/oct/26/theatre1

Thanks for your help with this Chrispanto (talk) 13:05, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

See, The Guardian is a reputed online newspaper: So it is okay.
But for YouTube, have a look at this: WP:VIDEOLINK. I don't know if young and talented is fine, I have never heard of it. But if you are sure it is a blog, then just avoid it as a ref. Probably it would be more helpful to you if you ask it directly at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard for the accurate answers.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 13:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

OK, thank you Chrispanto (talk) 13:18, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Chrispanto. Whether a reference is acceptable or not often depends on what use is being made of it. Taking those links one by one (I reformatted them as a list, to make them more readable)

• The BFI link is probably reliable, but is just a listing, so it can support a specific claim, but will not contribute to notability.
• Young and talented is an angency with Gadd as a Patron, so it would count as a non-independent source: it may be used to support an uncontroversial factual claim, but will not contribute to notability
• The same is true of the Albert Hall
• Wikipedia is almost never acceptable as a reference, because it is inherently unreliable
• I don't see anything on YouTube to suggest that this is posted with the permission of the BBC. If it isn't, then it is a copyright violation, and should never be linked to from Wikipedia. I'm not very familiar with YouTube, so I may be missing something: if this is posted with permission of the copyright holder, then it can be used as a reliable source, but again it is not an independent one, so its use is limited as with the ones above.
• I can't find anything about editorial policy on WomenRepublic, so I'm not sure if it is a reliable source; though it might be. The text looks to me like a press release, in which case it is not an independent source.
• The Guardian review is certainly a reliable source; but it is about the play Looking for JJ. It doesn't even mention Gadd except in the caption to the photo. So the only way it could be used in an article about Gadd is to support a statement that she was in that play. It would not contribute to notability.

So, while most of these may be used for certain purposes, not one of them is a substantial independent reliable source about Gadd. --ColinFine (talk) 15:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! You could not have been clearer, genuinely. Chrispanto (talk) 15:15, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

ColinFine, you did just fine on that answer. Let me buy you a cuppa tay. You put a lot of effort into writing it, and I learned something, even though I have BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 06:58, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

How can I modify the title of an article I've begun working on?

That's all I want to know. Can I modify the title (the article is still in draft mode)? Or do I have to start over? Please say I can just modify for article title somehow!!!  :-) THANKS. Mvanmeer23 (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

You could in theory move (or ask someone else to move) the page from Draft:TitleX to Draft:TitleY, but there isn't much point; it would be more sensible to wait until the article is approved for mainspace and choose the appropriate title at that point. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Wiki in Aborigional Australian lang

Hello, is there a way to create a wiki that is written in an aborigional Australian language? Frogger48 (talk) 07:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Frogger48, do you mean a WMF run one or you want to start your own? If you want to run your own wiki you can download the software and set one up. If you mean a WMF run wiki, I don't know but I'm pinging @Mdennis (WMF): senior community advocate who will know where to go with this. Nthep (talk) 08:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

See List of Wikipedias for what works now. Johnuniq (talk) 09:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

The place to request/set-up new language Wikipedias is Wikimedia Incubator. Yunshui ^雲_水 09:25, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

And there's my learning point for the day :-) Thanks. Nthep (talk) 09:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Stub

While adding the stub to article, I find some problem. For a baseball venue in texas, I tried some stubs. But none of them were working. What should I write to get it This article about a baseball venue in texas is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it?
I just made texas stub at last.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 09:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, aGastya. I think you're saying that you solved your own problem, though you're not very clear. You can only add templates which exist: see Category:stub message templates. --ColinFine (talk) 10:09, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@ColinFine:: I did not solve it. I want this thing This article about a baseball venue in texas is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it to be displayed. but I could not do it.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:12, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

The way it is done on Roope Ratna article: {{Finland-icehockey-player-stub}}, how to make it for this?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:14, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: A search found Template:Texas-baseball-venue-stub so add this: {{Texas-baseball-venue-stub}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, I got {{Baseball-venue-stub}} But, can't I have texas added to it?
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank you!
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Skype chatroom

Hi, guys, so long time out of enwiki.... I have a question: Do we have any Skype chatroom like in IRC? --Ochilov (talk) 11:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Ochilov, and welcome to the Teahouse. English Wikipedia's IRC channel is located here. Cheers! Brandon (MrWooHoo) • Talk to Brandon! 12:31, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey Ochilov. This is not definitive of course, but I've never seen anyone refer to one ever, and a few Google searches I tried were dead ends.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Title change?

Is there a way to edit the title of a page, or is it set?

I make edits for a band, and they have changed the name of the band. Do I need to copy the page info to a newly-created page and redirect the old?Elginfilmguy (talk) 13:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to teahouse. You need to move the page for what you are asking.
You can use Alt+shift+m or place the cursor on More which you can find near the search. Click Move there. Write the new name and your reason in appropriate textbox.

aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 13:44, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Elginfilmguy: On the top of the page, there's a heading "More", and then click "Move". Change the name on there to the new name- the old name will automatically become a redirect. Note, you have to be an autoconfirmed user (account at least 4 days old, at least 10 edits) to move pages, if you aren;t autoconfirmed, then post the page names here and I'll move them for you. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Here is the step-wise explaination: Link!
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 13:51, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I got it! Thanks!Elginfilmguy (talk) 13:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Is this correct interpretation of 3RR?

An editor left this message on my Talk page. Is this a correct interpretation of 3RR if my edits were at very different places in the article and were not contentious? "In case you weren't aware, any removal of material can technically count as a revert, which puts you at 5RR on Acupuncture today. [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] If the article had not been protected, this could have earned you a block. Also, the article is under Arbcom-imposed discretionary sanctions per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Acupuncture. If you are not already familiar with discretionary sanctions, please read the link, as it means there is a much lower threshold for getting blocked or topic banned" DrChrissy ^(talk) 09:45, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@DrChrissy: WP:3RR reads, "An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page—whether involving the same or different material—within a 24-hour period. An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." So yes, any removal is a revert. Now, if you're cooperatively working with all the other editors then there should be no need for 3RR reports. However on contentious articles, it's best to treat any edit as potentially contentious. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:16, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Recovering a draft article deleted by the six-month rule?

I got a notice that a draft article I was working on (author Holly Payne) was to be deleted because it had been six months. I logged on a day later to save it, but was too late.

I _think_ I did the request-undelete correctly, but it's hard to tell. Did I? If not, how do I?

Also, how long, typically, does it take for the decision on un-delet to be made?

Thanks!

OliverHeaviside (talk) 19:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like the request is correct. Timewise, I don't know, but looks like most people on there have had their requests done pretty quickly/within a few hours. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:35, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

another statement question

what does using multiple accounts with the help from another person mean?Studentcollege (talk) 23:53, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

This article should be helpful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry UnluckyClover77 (talk) 00:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

You just asked the exact same question below (just changed a few words) and already got the answer. —DangerousJXD (talk) 00:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

You have previously been warned about asking repetitive questions here, Studentcollege. Please remember that the primary purpose of this project is to build a free encyclopedia. Asking questions at the Teahouse is fine, as long as the purpose of your questions is to assist you in improving specific encyclopedia articles. Which articles are you improving? If the answer is none, then please stop with the repetitive questions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:29, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Studentcollege has never edited in mainspace and seems to be a persistent helpdesk/teahouse troll and imho should be blocked per WP:NOTHERE. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Dodger67: They have edited in the mainspace, as somewhere they admitted to using multiple accounts. Also, they got indeffed as WP:NOTHERE earlier today. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:43, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

What do I do now?

I submitted an article April 27. It was my first. I am new to wikipedia. Please take a look at it and tell me what more I need to do. Thank you.Jmbowden (talk) 19:48, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! It looks like your submission template was broken so I've gone ahead and fixed the template for you as well as moving it into Draft space. Winner 42 Talk to me! 19:54, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

General editing

How, where and when will I be notified if my revised saved article is appropriate or may be edited?Guilfordpsych (talk) 17:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

This is the encyclopedia anyone can edit. With very few exceptions, any article may be edited by anybody. You probably will not receive any notifications about your edits to Narcissistic parent or any other article. It would be a good idea to watchlist the article to see if there are any comments on the talk page. If that doesn't answer your question, please clarify the question. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Guilfordpsych: I would recommend using your WP:WATCHLIST to help out with that, assuming that's what your asking. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 18:59, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I have it on my Watchlist. Many thanks for the response. With more practice, I'll get the hang of this soon.Guilfordpsych (talk) 20:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Finding simple articles to edit

Hi--I'm just starting to copy edit Wikipedia. Do you have a place to find articles that a copy editor new to Wikipedia would want to start off with? I edited the one that was suggested when I first registered and wondered where to find more like that one. Thanks. Book Marker (talk) 14:48, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Book Marker, welcome to the Teahouse! Do the links on this page help you to find what you're looking for? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

You may also be interested in this: Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks--looks I shouldn't have any trouble finding an article to work on! Thanks also for the list of links you sent. Book Marker (talk) 20:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

@Book Marker: You're welcome! I hope you enjoy contributing here! --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Feminist Hulk

I think that article should be deleted. I said this at the article's talk page and got one response in favour. How can I "proceed"? I don't care too much though. —DangerousJXD (talk) 09:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey, you have a TW next to Search (on every page. Go to the article, place the arrow on TW and choose CSD or XFD. First one is request for speedy deletion and second one is nominate for deletion. (Just in case next time you need them).
Be sure that the article is not important (I mean: it fails to be qualified for an article) and then click on any of those (with respect to time). Since the article was made in 2013, then go for XFD.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 09:55, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Remember, you have to have Wikipedia based policy reasons for proposing deletion, not just I don't like it so you need to read things like the notability criteria and say why this article fails to meet them. Nthep (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

aGastya. Do you know for sure that DangerousJXD has enabled Twinkle in their account? Because if they haven't, your advice is wrong and unhelpful. DangerousJXD, if you have enabled Twinkle in your preferences that is indeed an easy way to nominate for deletion. If you haven't, you'll need to go through the steps manually: see Articles for deletion.

Also, aGastya, please be careful about using the word "important". This is relevant only in determining whether an article is eligible for speedy deletion (criteria A7 and A9) and only in the form "No indication of importance". In other contexts, the criterion is whether the subject is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) - i.e. has been written about substantially in reliable independent published sources. I so often see people whose drafts have been deleted or rejected feeling hurt because they think somebody is saying that their favorite topic is not "important", that I have become very sensitive to this. A subject can be important (significant, influential, popular) without meeting Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

First I used the word important: then I realized it has some ambiguity and thus I said: it fails to qualify for article.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 10:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Too confusing for me... —DangerousJXD (talk) 12:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Posted a link to talk page.
Sorry for confusion.
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 14:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Somebody already proposed it for deletion. I supported a delete here. —DangerousJXD (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

How to add photos to an existing article?

How do I add a copyright free photo to an existing article? Tendingmagictrees (talk) 22:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tendingmagictrees. Is this an image that is already uploaded here or to the Wikimedia Commons? Or an image you know is copyright free but needs to be uploaded? If the latter, can you please provide to us the details of the image? Is it online? Can you give us the URL and if you know more about it than is provided at the site where it's hosted so we can give you a second opinion on its copyright status? If it's not online, and you have it, where'd you get it? Who took the photograph? what's is its date? There's a lot of ins and outs to uploading photos and its much easier to guide you if we have some specifics.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:50, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Explicit Y/N

Previously asked if I can make an article about the theme song of Cricket World Cup 2015, there was no final answer. So will it be notable? The singer doesn't have an Article about himself. (Probably not notable!)
Song is WDL, artist is Bob's Beat. link to archive: Link
aGastya  ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 19:17, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

aGastya, the objective part of the answer to your question lies in the existence or not of suitable reliable independent sources (there may also be a subjective part to the answer, which is why "Explicit Y/N" may not be possible). If you are interested in creating such an article, the onus is on you to look for the sources. If you can't find any, No. If you can, but are not sure if they add up to notability, then present us with the sources, and maybe somebody will look at them and give an opinion. (If the question is the reliability of the sources you've found, the WP:RSN is also a possible place to ask. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Stalking and "Gang Stalking"

Hi, all! I noticed this weird "gang stalking" section in the entry on 'stalking' keeps getting edited all the time, and it doesn't really seem to have an objective point of view and not enough sources to cite anyways... I was just wondering, how do you normally get that fixed around here?

Thanks and have a good day. ;) UnluckyClover77 (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Things get fixed when editors fix them - and YOU can be the fixer! One of the best ways to start is on the article talk page - start a sections and perhaps {{ping|USERNAME}} the people who have been involved in the editing. Another would be to tag with questionable content. And a third would be to find what the reliably published sources say about the topic and start adding that / removing the unsupported claims. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:34, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! It's all finished now. I hope someone answers soon. UnluckyClover77 (talk) 00:18, 6 May 2015 (UTC)