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Resources for blind editors

I'm looking for a volunteer to help a blind editor. Are there resources (e.g., support groups) for blind editors on Wikipedia (a Wikiproject, possible?) WP:ACCESS is mostly about ensuring accessibility to readers. I'm not sure where to search. Sławomir
Biały 23:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

@Sławomir Biały: There isn't really a support group as such, but I'm a blind Wikipedia admin who'd be happy to help out. Graham87 05:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Graham! I've emailed you some details. Sławomir
Biały 11:43, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

• Sławomir Biały, You could also try posting something on Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability or Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility. Neither are super-duper active, but I have WP:DISABILITY on my watch page and it seems like at least one person always responds when someone else posts something on the talk page. Permstrump (talk) 05:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Sławomir Biały: If you need help from someone with full sight, I'm also happy to help. I have some experience in helping people with visual impairment with computer related issues. I know a bit about how aid programs such as speech synthesizer, etc. work. Give me a 'ping' if you need me. w.carter-Talk 12:00, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Adding pictures to wikipedia from Library of Congress

I've been working on various World War I song articles. Most of the songs have pictures of the sheet music in public domain at the Library of Congress website. I was wondering how I would be able to upload those images onto Wikipedia, specifically the articles I've been working on. For example, Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Bound and the images I've found: http://www.loc.gov/resource/ihas.200206327.0?st=gallery Mchuedem (talk) 15:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Mchuedem and welcome to the Teahouse! Please upload them at Wikimedia Commons. When asked for a license, choose the correct one, which in this case is Template:PD-US. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 17:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Finnusertop! I will do that. Mchuedem (talk) 17:24, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

How are two separate SPI cases merged?

I have found many behavioral evidence that sockmaster Acejet is actually old sockmaster Siddiqui. Both the SPIs are closed. If I want that their SPI cases must be merged, then should I file new SPI report? The Avengers 06:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@The Avengers: leave a message for one of the SPI clerks asking for a merge, you can see who they are at WP:SPI. Nthep (talk) 18:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

IP editor refusing to discuss

Hello, I was involved in patrolling Identity Ireland a while back. When I got back, I found an IP editor had changed it to a version I found biased and also poorly formatted. I reverted. They restored it. I then started a section about it on the talk page of the article and left a personal note on the IPs talk page inviting them to join me there. 5 days later, with no response, I tried to trim the article and add some balancing materiel. Since I had used much of the material the IP had contributed, I thought perhaps it would be a good compromise. However, the IP has now restored their prefered version without discussion. I have no particular views on the topic, I just want the article to be policy compliant. Is there any way to make the IP discuss matters? Thanks! Happy Squirrel (talk) 15:26, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

If you have an IP who edits persistently without discussing, I suggest requesting semi-protection. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I have requested semi-protection. The IP has edited again, so you may want to revert again. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Another admin closed the WP:RFPP with the advice to warn the IP, since it is static. I have done so here. EdJohnston (talk) 17:28, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. If they edit again, I will request semi-protection. Happy Squirrel (talk) 18:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox to web

I have been preparing an entry in my Sandbox. Will I be able to transfer that when completed for insertion on Wikipedia or will i need to begin all over again?

I look forward to some guidance on this matter.

Thank you.Balquhidder2013 (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I have moved the draft for you to Draft:Feargus Hetherington. When you are ready to submit it to Articles for Creation for review, you may submit it. I would suggest that you work on improving the formatting of the references. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Draft: Daniel Clitnovici

This concerns Draft: Daniel Clitnovici. This draft has been reviewed by multiple reviewers who have declined it. The article contains no indication that he played in a fully professional association football (soccer) league. He is currently an assistant coach in a fully professional league, not a manager (head coach). As such, the article doesn’t meet association football athletic notability guidelines. It appears that there was an OTRS ticket, 2009010910019026, previously about whether he had played professional soccer. I haven’t seen the ticket. It appears that the title was salted in response to the ticket but has now been unsalted. I received the following on my talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARobert_McClenon&type=revision&diff=694323860&oldid=694310504

My advice to the author, User:Ssanchez1978, is to add the description of his professional career, with proper in-line citations, to the body of the article, and stop adding comments in front of the body of the article. That is, the article should attest to his notability, without the need for explanations. If there are issues about the spelling of his name, they can be handled as redirects. If necessary, the fact that his name is sometimes spelled differently can be mentioned in the body of the article. Do other editors have other comments? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I moved comments by the author of the draft from the top of the draft article to the draft talk page. Maybe the author didn't know to use the Comment function of the AFCH script, which inserts comments that are not part of the draft and are above it. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:49, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Denied Article due to lack of reliable sources

Hello, I was denied to create my article, because I do not have sources listed. I don't know what to do, because the information I wrote is not listed in a book, article, or internet. I have conducted a personal interview and have taken the information off of a resume or CV (I want to create a page about a retired military personnel). How can I fix this problem in order to have the article submitted?

Thanks, MichelleMichellemaffucci1 (talk) 18:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello Michellemaffucci1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately you will not be able to add this material to Wikipedia. One of our core principles is verifiability, which means that anyone using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Unless the interview is published somewhere and can be cited, we can't base material here on it. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:51, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Another key principle is notability, which means that a topic needs to have been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic for us to accept an article on it. If the person you are writing about has not been the subject of any coverage in published sources, then not only are we unable to accept your interview as a source, but we can't have an article on the person at all. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

That will perhaps be very difficult. As kindly as I can say this, not all topics are appropriate for an encyclopedia. Perhaps Help:Find sources will be useful? Also, think Wikipedia:No original research might be useful here. I see you've put a lot of work into this, and you have some obvious talent, may I hopefully suggest you find another topic, if you can't find reliable, independent sources on this subject? 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 18:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for your response. There are published sources and government documents that support all included information. Does this information need to be posted on the internet?

Thank you.Michellemaffucci1 (talk) 19:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, Michellemaffucci1. The sources need to be published, but they don't need to be online. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

When asking a question about a declined article, it would be helpful to identify the article. The article is Draft: Brian W. Wright. Please see my comments and those of other editors in the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:19, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Mr. McClenon,

I will enter the sources and do the in-line citations for the Draft: Brian W. Wright. I saw the comment you left about gaming the system earlier. I did not attempt to remove anything posted and I am making every attempt to meet yours and other reviewers comments needed for approval. I

Also, I am having difficulty responding to the other reviewer LaMona who commented on my draft. How can I respond to her on her? Michellemaffucci1 (talk) 19:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps it was an accident, Michellemaffucci1, but you did remove comments with this edit and then again here. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I see. I apologize. I did not mean to do so. Michellemaffucci1 (talk) 19:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

It happened again. Are you getting an edit conflict notice when you save the page? It is best not to keep the edit window open for too long, in case someone else adds a comment in the meantime. You can always make you additions bit-by-bit. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I am not a regular Teahouse host but I noticed that your username suggests that you could be related to the subject of the article. Is that the case? If so an experienced host may be able to give you more advice. SovalValtos (talk) 19:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

According to the draft, the author is the daughter of the subject. The advice is therefore at WP:conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 20:08, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I am not having any edit conflicts when I click save and I am also not deleting those lines as it indicates. Very strange that keeps happening, because I have not touched it. To answer your second question, I am the step-daughter, but this article is a statement of facts and not a paid promotion piece. I have tried to write the article completely objective and as a statement of history based on facts and documents made available by the subject. Much of the documentation supporting the article is provided by the U.S. Army Human Resource Command and contains the subject's social security number and cannot be uploaded on the internet for security purposes. However, some of his information may be obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request.Michellemaffucci1 (talk) 21:02, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

@Michellemaffucci1: Documents containing his social security number or obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request would not be considered "published." We need published sources that someone could verify in a research library. —teb728 t c 21:59, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, internal army documents are not acceptable as sources, as they are not published. You also need to ensure that the sources you cite do actually support the material in the article. For example, you have cited this source to support a statement that Wright is the son of Gerald W. Wright, but nothing on that web page mentions Brian Wright. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

About my page dj satti

i want to know why my page cant be visible for all and why it is rejected as in talk bar . i mentioned why this article should be displayed . i hope so you will solve that problem. ARTISTMANIA (talk) 22:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello ARTISTMANIA, and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to add references to reliable sources to the article to demonstrate the subject's notability. Please see this page. Please note that Facebook, YouTube, etc. are not considered reliable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources for guidance. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

How to use Suggest Bot?

I want to use suggest bot so I can try my hand at contributing to articles (and I think it would be better if I contribute to categories where I actually know something) but I can't find how to get there and the actual suggest bot wiki page is... confusing.Evilbier (talk) 21:34, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Evilbier. SuggestBot has a lot of complicated options, so I will give you a simple method. Copy the wikicode that follows:

{{User:SuggestBot/config
|frequency = twice a month
|replace
}}

Go to your own talk page, and in edit mode, paste that code at the top of the page, and save it. You will get a talk page message with suggestions tailored to your editing interests twice a month. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:05, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

How do I make sure permission sent to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org is verified before pictures are taken down?

I am asking a photographer that has taken pictures of a well-known singer to send me a few pictures of the artist and to send these to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org with the agreement "to publish" the "content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)." I realize that I need to upload those pictures but how will I know that someone at permissions-commons@wikimedia.org has verified them so that when I upload them to Wikimedia Commons they aren't taken down because one editor or another hasn't received this notice? I guess I'm trying to understand how sending the notice to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org is reconciled with my uploading the images that have been donated to Wikimedia so that they are not taken down. How do we make this all align? 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 05:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I have also put a pointer to this question on Wikimedia Village_pump/Copyright , in the hope that one of the knowledgeable folks there from there might be able to help out.--Gronk Oz (talk) 07:28, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 1987atomheartbrother. The Teahouse is to answer questions about editing English Wikipedia, not Wikimedia Commons, which is a sister project but run entirely separately. If the photographer sends the emails, then my assumption is that the volunteers at Commons will communicate with the photographer, not with you. So, keep in touch with the photographer. If that person is a professional, they may be reluctant to release their photos under a free license as you describe above. That license allows anyone to reuse the photos of the "well known singer" without permission or payment, for any purpose whatsover, including commercial posters, t-shirts and coffee mugs. Keychains too. If you owned those copyrights to those photos, would you release them that way? It seems like a poor career move to me. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:53, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi 1987atomheartbrother. I believe all you need to do is add the template OTRS pending to the file after you upload it per the instructions at c:COM:OTRS#If you are not the copyright holder. Please note, however, this template is not a substitute for the actual permissions email; It's just gives the OTRS volunteers some time to check the system for the email. They will delete the image if the email cannot be found. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:58, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, from bitter personal experience, you need to stay in touch with the copyright holder (normally the photographer) in case the Wikimedia admins get back to them with any questions. Help to guide them through providing the right, relevant information so that everybody knows what they're agreeing to. I am aware this does not answer your question about how to monitor the status of the file's approval. Personally, I just make a point to check every day but that is pretty low-tech... --Gronk Oz (talk) 08:09, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) When uploading a file before an OTRS ticket has been issued, just add the OTRS pending template to the permissions section (by typing {{subst:OP}}), and make sure there‘s also a licence template matching the statement in the consent letter that was sent. That should protect the file from deletion for long enough, until the permission is verified. See c:COM:OTRS for detailed instructions. BTW I wouldn’t recommend the GNU licence, which is more appropriate for software than images because of its somewhat cumbersome attribution requirements; CC-BY-SA alone is just fine. (But of course it‘s the photographer‘s choice what kind of free licence to apply.)—Odysseus1479 08:14, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for all the feedback, it's very helpful.1987atomheartbrother (talk) 23:40, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I created a User page but I want it to be a Wikipedia page.

I am making a page for a company (a notable subject) and want to crate an actual Wiki entry rather than a user page. How to publish? Eurasian Minerals (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello Eurasian Minerals. Your draft (User:Eurasian Minerals/sandbox/Eurasian Minerals Inc.) is copied from your company's website, and it is not written from a neutral point of view. Your username indicates that you represent the company; so you should read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. —teb728 t c 00:02, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

How does one delete a source link for an image if the source site is dead?

Here is my example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Wave#/media/File:Wea00010.jpg The NOAA link is dead as it goes to an annoying domain parking page. Now what? HikingMike1 (talk) 01:59, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, HikingMike1, and welcome to the Teahouse. The link on that image page is used to indicate its source: at one time the original image was at that location when it was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Sometimes links die, and it makes it difficult to verify information (in this case, to see if the picture really came from that site). But you should not remove the link because that way people will have no idea where it came from. It's useful to mark dead links with a special template to warn users that it's no use clicking on the link, but still maintain the original url that was once used as a source. The link on the image is now marked with such a tag. You can read more about it here: WP:KDL. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 03:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thank you! I am a big fan of tea :) Ok understood. Believe it or not, I actually read that Link Rot article after I posted this. I figured I'd leave it since why give traffic to a domain parking page, but that makes sense with the mark next to it. Thank you, Finnusertop. HikingMike1 (talk) 00:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure, HikingMike1! Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 01:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

How do you make a bot

I want to Make a bot can you help me with this Please Aethelbeorn (talk) 22:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Read the bot policy. However, do you want the bot to do something specific, or do you just want to volunteer to develop bots to perform bot-like tasks for Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Mobile versions as reference

Is it okay to use mobile versions of websites as reference? The Avengers 01:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, The Avengers. The most important issue here is whether or not the website in question is a reliable source. If it is reliable, then including a link to a mobile version of the website is acceptable. In 2015, mobile sites and desktop sites are pretty much equivalent. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:42, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Created a new Wiki page and need some help with the editing

I created a new wiki page called "Aviation accident analysis". I made a lot of correction before I post it but still feels like it needs more improvement. I was expecting some comments from Wiki community but nothing happened. Any kind edit and recommendation will be welcomed. Thanks! Yiningou22 (talk) 01:05, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Yiningou22 - You should ask WP:WikiProject Aviation to assist you, that's where you will find other editors with specific interest and expertise in aviation topics. You can also sign up as a member there if you're interested in working further on aviation topics. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:41, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Circular "main page" section headnotes

The sections of List of Time Team episodes (each section being a list for one series [US: season]) have headnotes saying "See main article at...", linking to the article about that season's (series') episodes. Follow that link and you'll find the same content with a "main article" link back to the consolidated page! They can't both be right.

The actual wikitext is on the individual series pages and is transcluded to the consolidated list. I figured that the individual pages are therefore the main pages and the headnotes should be removed from them, and started doing so, but on second thought I put back the one I'd removed and came here to ask for advice. Please ping me for any discussion.

(BTW, I wish that when I ask a question here from my smartphone, thru the mobile front end, I would get the editor for the mobile page rather than the desktop version.) --Thnidu (talk) 22:19, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the series thing, but I have to say that mobile is a pain sometimes. The main page's appearance changes continually as far as size, logo, search box etc. Also, if you look closely at the very bottom of your screen, there's a tiny little word that says, "mobile". Tap that and it'll show you the mobile version of the page. White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 22:35, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, White Arabian Filly. Generally when this sort of thing happens I go into the browser's address bar and insert .m between en and .wikipedia, but it's a nuisance. I guess I'll report it as a bug in phabricator.

Meanwhile I'm hoping for guidance on my the main question. But it's only been an hour. --Thnidu (talk) 23:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Hey Thnidu. I agree, the main template at the specific series articles don't work (but it does at List of Time Team episodes). I would just use {{For}}. Maybe {{For|a list of all episodes of Time Team|List of Time Team episodes}}. It does have a but of redundancy to it. Maybe use {{See also}} instead: {{See also|List of Time Team episodes}} or you could always tailor your own note (we are not slaves to templates!) Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for all this feedback, it's very helpful! 1987atomheartbrother (talk) 23:39, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Fuhghettaboutit; but I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the template not working. Is it that

• "the code of the template is not functioning properly" (which, to me, the words seem to mean)

or that

• "the message displayed, as generated by the template, doesn't guide the reader usefully as it should (regardless of how it's generated)

?

--Thnidu (talk) 07:05, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

@Thnidu: The latter. The main template makes sense at the list article – each episode article is the "main" location for for the particular series' expansion of detail about it. But in the series articles, it doesn't make sense for the list article to be referred to as "main".--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:54, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Check URL value?

Take a look at article Steve Buckingham. There is a red tag on reference 3—"check URL value". Well the URL seems to work. The link tells me there are code bugs. Can you fix this? Thanks, Eagledj (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at the reference you would have seen that it included "|url=url=". I have therefore removed the duplicate "url=". --David Biddulph (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Botanical editing needed

Eucalyptus angophoroides was full of sentence fragments and botanical jargon that's meaningless to the layman. I've done what I can about the former, but as to the latter, well, I'm a layman. Trying to decipher the sentence about "exerted valves" led to about a half hour of searching around the web, much of it spent trying to explain to the search engines that I didn't want to know about machinery (though I did find that the spelling perhaps should be "exserted", with an S).See

• http://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Eucalyptus~angophoroides, which looks to be the source of the material here
• research.omicsgroup.org/index.php/Eucalyptus_angophoroides, which I couldn't get any use of at all

Secondary question: I went to WikiProject Botany for help with this, but that lot was vacant, and I wasn't sure how to search.

-Thnidu (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Thnidu. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants seems quite an active page, so you might want to try asking about this there. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:40, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Thnidu, I can see why you're having difficulty! A couple of things: research.omicsgroup.org is a (very poor) Wikipedia mirror site, and thus absolutely no use to us (or anyone else for that matter, as far as I can see). More seriously, the content of that article is a close paraphrase of the first source you list. It's not always easy to decide when the text of an article is unacceptably close to that of the source, and some people might think this was borderline. However, you recognised the source without difficulty, which is a strong suggestion of similarity. Ideally, all the text taken from that source would be removed, and then replaced with new text carrying the same meaning but in completely different language.

One other thing: if you add a unit conversion (which is not actually necessary in science-related articles), please make sure that the precision of the conversion is not greater than that of the original figure. So 10–20 cm should be converted as 4–8 in, not 3.9–7.9 in, because 3.9 and 7.9 are too precise. You can do this with an extra (unnamed) parameter: {{convert|10|-|20|cm|abbr=on}} gives 10–20 cm (3.9–7.9 in), but {{convert|10|-|20|cm|0|abbr=on}} gives 10–20 cm (4–8 in). The precision parameter can take a negative value if you need to round to tens or hundreds or whatever. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:56, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers Thanks for the tips! I do grok precision (vs. accuracy, even), but I'm still not familiar enough with Template: Convert to remember all its useful parameters. As i edited on my smartphone, jumping back and forth between its doc and the article was quite enough to juggle, and I didn't even notice the precision discrepancy.

Cordless Larry: Thanks, I've posted the question there. I'm getting some help but still not enough. But there's no rush.

--Thnidu (talk) 20:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Ohlson Packaging not accepted

The question I am having is understanding the response to the rejection. I have placed online references in my article. Am I doing something incorrect in the a grammatical structure/format of proper referencing or is it that wikipedia does not think the story worthy of an article. Please let me know. 69.64.102.200 (talk) 19:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, anonymous user. The biggest problem is not the grammar/structure/format of the references but rather the choice of text and of references. You have copied the text from the company's website and used reference to the company's own website. We are not interested in what the company says about itself but rather what independent reliable sources have to say about the company. Your text should summarize what independent reliable sources say, and your references should be to those sources. Without showing significant coverage in independent reliable sources you have not shown the company to be worthy of an article. —teb728 t c 21:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, the draft contains material that appears to have been copied directly from the company's web site. That is copyright violation. Many new editors do not understand that a company cannot give permission to post material from their own web site without releasing the content to a full copyleft. (Also, such material, even if it were licensed under Creative Commons, would be likely to be too promotional.) Robert McClenon (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

This appears to be the subject of this question.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:47, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Move/Article title

I need some direction in changing the article title? I do not see the "Move" option on my screen.HeirsofDennis (talk) 22:18, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello HeirsofDennis, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suspect that you're not seeing the "Move" option because your account is not yet autoconfirmed. This will happen once you have made at least 10 edits. In the meantime, I'm sure that if you tell us what article you want to move, and where you want to move it to, someone will be willing to assist. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

HeirsofDennis, you posted on my talk page that the article is titled 4DENNIS MOVEMENT. However, that article has been deleted. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Ohlson Packaging Draft - My article got deleted, need help how to resubmit

I have rewritten my article and made sure there were proper references and no copy right issues. The original article was deleted but I started over and put the new article in the same draft location Draft:Ohlson Packaging. Now I want to try to submit to get reviewed, but I do not see a submit for review button. Have I been disqualified and no longer can try to submit the article? Or do I need to submit the article in a different location. Can you let me know my status and if I am able to try to submit this article one last time. 02:41, 9 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nshone (talk • contribs)

Hi Nshone, you just need to add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft. Rojomoke (talk) 04:55, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Nshone. As your article entirely lacks references to reliable, independent sources, it will be declined again unless you add such independent sources. All your sources are affiliated with the company and are therefore worthless for establishing notability on Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:22, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Nshone, see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for a fuller explanation of Cullen328's last sentence. --Thnidu (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability is more relevant here, unless Nshone has an association with Ohlson Packaging. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:52, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

thank you all for your inputs. The links to the online websites are not created by Nshone nor are affiliated with Ohlson Packaging and are written by people not associated with Ohlson Packaging. These are online publications of for auotmated packaging Industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.102.200 (talk) 15:01, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Your first supposedly independent reference includes language such as "We are a packaging machine manufacturer with a wide range of packaging machines for FFS applications. We design and manufacture a full range of automatic and semi-automatic net weighing and counting machines, including specialized custom applications." It is crystal clear to everyone with insight that this is not independent editorial content, but rather promotional material written by the company, and regurgitated, in directory fashion, by the trade publication. I wrote for trade magazines for many years. I know exactly how they operate.Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Your second supposedly independent reference is credited to "John Ohlson, President" and includes this content: "•Reduce Labor Time •Slash Product Giveaway Rates •Decrease Packaging Square Footage •Increase Shelf Life of your product All with the best, most reliable service in the business! Call us at xxx.xxx.xxxx to put decades of packaging knowhow to work for you today." Exclamation point and all. Phone number redacted. You do not actually expect that intelligent encyclopedia editors will accept that as an independent source not written by the company, do you? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

It seems that conflict of interest is highly relevant reading here. Whois shows for IP address 69.64.102.200 "Resolve Host: opserver.ohlsonpack.com". Nshone, do you have any personal or professional connection to Ohlson Packaging? Specifically, if you are attempting to create this page as part of your paid employment, please also note that our Terms of Use state that "you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation." An editor who contributes as part of his or her paid employment is required to disclose that fact; it is an obligation, not an option.

Please note also that Wikipedia is not an advertising platform. If your purpose here is to improve this encyclopaedia, you can expect people to go out of their way to help you learn to do that; but if your purpose here is to promote Ohlson Packaging, you can expect nothing more than a brief request to stop trying to do so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:17, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Well regardless of whether I am employed by Ohlson Packaging, I have much expertise in the areas of automation and packaging and noticed, you have no articles on Linear weighing scales focused in this areas, which is exactly how nails were packaged for Home Depot and Loews as well as wiki has little information as well as Filler (packaging), which you have ask for expertise contribution help on. If you want to disqualify me from giving good technical data because of how I put food on table to eat, then I guess your wikipedia website has got it own prejudices and skewed biased, conflict of interest options. So if you tell me, if I hired a ghost, and namesless faceless writer, to submit my article, that we correct? What a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.102.200 (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

You are not prevented from editing an article about your employer, but you do need to follow Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Nshone we welcome people with expert knowledge who can help us understand information we need, but their knowledge is not enough. It does help them to find, evaluate and interpret independent reliable sources with a neutral point of view, though anyone with a close relationship with a subject will have a difficult time maintaining a neutral point of view when writing about a topic.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Lecturing the Wikipedia community about having standards about neutrality is not the best way to begin contributing knowledge to Wikipedia, if that is what you want to do, as opposed merely to promoting your company. Also, please remember to log in before editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:45, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

how to wrote a wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/About_mahato

recently i wrote about my last name on wikipedia genrate this mess It is proposed that this article be deleted because of the following concern: It appears to be an entry for the meaning of a Sanskrit word in English, which should belong to Wiktionary or a translator. It lacks sources, and a reason for its existence (notability). Suggest writer consider reading WP guidelines for including new pages.

please help me 08:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)08:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by MK Mahato (talk • contribs)

Hello, MK Mahato and welcome to the Teahouse. We already have an article called List of people called Mahato. If you have any information about the meaning and origins of the name, you can add it to that article. But remember, all information needs to be sourced to reliable sources (books, newspapers, reliable websites; see Help:Referencing for beginners). Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 08:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

How do I denote an organizations notability?

I am trying to get the page Draft:Woolston-Steen Theological Seminary approved. I was wondering what I was missing and what I could do to fufill the notability requirement. Any and all advice is welcome.Lunireal (talk) 03:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello Lunireal, and welcome to the Teahouse. On Wikipedia, most article topics must meet some basic notability requirements, although some things, such as geographical locations, are exempt from this. To view our basic notability requirements, you can read WP:Notability. If a subject is notable, then it may be included, although you must provide sufficient references to prove that the subject is, in fact, notable. If the subject isn't in effect notable, nothing you can do can make it notable, and it's unfortunately not right for a Wikipedia article in that case. JQTriple7 ^talk 05:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Lunireal. In addition to Triple7's advice, there are also some "rules of thumb" concerning the notability of different educational organizations at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Education. They are not mandatory, but they summarize the outcomes of past discussions about the area. They don't mention seminaries specifically, so it may not be directly relevant, but it will give you a summary of the factors to consider.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Don't understand about additional citations ?

Hi There is an issue with my article showing for 3 points at below URL http://www.revapharma.com/news.html I have given enough citations and ref. but still its showing the same...can you guide me through it as i am unable to figure out, what needs to be done here(Varun Sood (talk) 06:24, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to the article that you created. Editors who create biographies on Wikipedia have to be especially careful. Firstly, it is better that they do not have a Wikipedia:conflict of interest, that is, that they are not closely connected with the subject of the article. Please state any connection you have with Gurpreet Sandhu. Secondly, the article must not read like a Curriculum vitae (resume), and the editor must ensure that every fact has an independently published reference, with no original research. Most of the statements in your article are unreferenced. Thirdly the subject of the article must be Wikipedia:notable, which is not the same as "known in India". Google finds a footballer and a driver from Birmingham when I search here in England. Perhaps the subject of your article would be notable on the Indian Wikipedia in India? I would advise you to read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. Dbfirs 18:45, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Dbfirs: there isn't an "Indian Wikipedia". There are Wikipedias in several of the langauges of India. --ColinFine (talk) 23:43, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, should have checked! I suppose English is one of the languages of India. The subject of the biography seems borderline notable. Dbfirs 08:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

How do I fix the last name on the title of a page that is showing in lower case?

I just created a page for an artist. The last name in the title is showing the first letter in lower case. I remember having this issue at some point before but cannot remember how it got fixed and I cannot find the instructions on how to correct that. Does anyone know how I can fix that? Any help is appreciated!1987atomheartbrother (talk) 08:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Quick follow-up. Someone has kindly corrected this - but I'm curious what the instructions are for future reference. Thank you!1987atomheartbrother (talk) 08:42, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Greetings 1987atomheartbrother, At the top of the article page there is a tab called "Page"; hover on that to get the "Move page" link and click on it. Then carefully pick the namespace, the new article name, checkoff that you want to move the history, put a reason for the move, and then hit the Move button. Should take a couple of seconds to pull it off. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:42, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks! I truly appreciate this feedback!1987atomheartbrother (talk) 08:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Searching for information on using wikipedia, not on information in articles.

Hi, I've been getting by but have always had trouble searching for forms for articles. For example in an american football team article, there are editor created forms for listing of incoming players, for listing current players by positions and so on. How would I find information on using these forms, for example are there other data categories that can be displayed in that form. Also I would like to find a form on citing legal documents filed in cases, how would I make that search? Or how to include text in foot notes, aside from the reference in them. My basic question is - How do I search for info on editing rather than info on what is in the articles? Thank you so very much. Rybkovich (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello Rybkovich, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've added a welcome message to your user talk page which includes links to some of the most important pages about editing Wikipedia. In general, the pages that you are looking for start with the prefix "Wikipedia:". You can use the advanced search function to search for pages starting with that prefix. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Rybkovich. It sounds to me like you may be seeing tables and templates in articles and wondering how to use them (and how to search for them). It's a rather large subject, but visiting the links in the preceding sentence might help. Sometimes you can take the code (after clicking "edit") for a template or table and use it by just tailoring the parameters for your purpose, without needing to understand much about the use. Anyway, when you see template code – some text starting with {{ and ending with }}, you can always visit the template page, where there's usually documentation on that template's use. What you need to understand is how to navigate to the template in the first place. Most of the time, the first part, after the opening curly braces, is the name of the template. Once you know that, the template will be at Template:name you found, which you can type into the search field. For example, if you saw something like:

{{Pro hockey team
| team        = 
| city        = 
| league      = 
etc.
}}

Then the actual template would be at Template:Pro hockey team. If you tell us the specific part of a specific article that contains these "forms", it would help us tailor a more specific answer. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Awesome thanks so very much to both of you. That template search how to, made my day. Rybkovich (talk) 00:04, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Anytime Rybkovich.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Updating an image on a page

Hi,

I work for Targus and have noticed that the image for the logo is out of date. In the interest of keeping the article page up to date & accurate I'd like to replace the picture with our new logo.

How should I go about this?

Thanks in advance for any help!

Inara tierney (talk) 14:40, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Inara tierney and welcome to the Teahouse! You can give us a link to the new logo on the internet, and we will replace the old one with it. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 14:43, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Not sure if my reply is appearing or not so here it is again...

Hi,

Thanks for reply!

The new logo can be found here:

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/641600450207350784/A_im7iZP.png

Let me know if there are problems with it.

Inara tierney (talk) 15:12, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Inara tierney. I have updated the logo. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 15:34, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Finnusertop ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inara tierney (talk • contribs) 15:46, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Can someone help sort out the citation format here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Ford_%28politician%29

Apologies - but I've not got this quite right for 2 citations. They are both academic references - a PhD and a Journal Article.

Thanks

Debra Debrastorr (talk) 16:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse. I only found one error so I fixed that. The citation template got rather mangled. Hope that helps. Happy Squirrel (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed the other one. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:33, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Christoph Ernst Friedrich von Forcade de Biaix

I reviewed Draft:Christoph Ernst Friedrich von Forcade de Biaix, and declined it, saying that although the individual passes political notability as a member of a national legislature, more than one reference was needed. I received the following from User: Ricklarsen lux: I understand that that you rejected my English language article for Christoph Ernst Friedrich von Forcade de Biaix. I am not really sure why, because there appears to be some unwritten double-standard for which I don't know the rules. A German language article for the same person, with the same source citations/references is on Wikipedia for more than one year in accepted form. I am not the author of the German-language article. My article improves on that article with additional information that was not included in the German version. Could you please 1.) explain what information you would like to see in my article that is not in the German version, and 2.) could you please apply the same quality standard in an equitable manner to both articles?

It is my understanding (please correct me if I am mistaken) that the presence of an article in one language’s Wikipedia does not qualify it for another language Wikipedia because different languages may have different standards. In particular, I don’t know what the referencing standards are of the German Wikipedia. If any other experienced editor thinks that I should have accepted it, I will heed their advice (or they may accept it).

Robert McClenon (talk) 17:05, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct. Such a large proportion of the draft being unsourced fails the English Wikipedia requirement for verifiability. The presence of a German Wikipedia article might be for one of two reasons. Either the German Wikipedia has different standards (which it is entitled to have as each language's Wikipedia is governed by its own editors), or possibly the German article hasn't yet been appropriately scrutinised (what in enwiki we refer to as other stuff exists). --David Biddulph (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I understand from your response that you are applying a different standard to my English language article than the one applied by someone else to the German article. I understand as well from your statement that this double standard is acceptable within the Wikipedia editor community.

I will try to add more than one reference or note to the article, but in reality the this will come from the authorized German-language biography publicly posted on the parliament's web page, already cited in my article.

Considering he lived and died in Prussia (Germany), the number of English language sources are very limited. Rick Larsen Rick Larsen (talk) 17:23, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

The inclusion of references that are in German is permitted, since, as you say, there is little available about him in English. Also, if you can find additional sources, it would be appreciated if they can be added to his biography in the German Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:07, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Picture editing

How can I replace a picture on a football player's profile? HassanAhmad1899 (talk) 17:27, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

HassanAhmad1899 hello and welcome to The Teahouse. First of all, we do not have profiles of football players. We have encyclopedic articles about notable athletes.

There must be a good reason for replacing a photo. You may have to discuss on the talk page of the football player.

The photo you want to use should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. If the football player is living, the photo to be used must meet the requirements of Commons, meaning it is either free, because you took the photo yourself and are willing to release it for any purpose including commercial, not just to Wikipedia, or you must have specific permission from the person who did take the photo or owns the copyright, meeting the same requirements. This is rare for commercial photographers.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Creating an article in a different language

Hi,

I was wondering how I can create an article in German and Italian about an NGO while an article about that NGO does already exist in English/French/Dutch... Is there a way to somehow link all this language versions?

Thanks! Bekka18 (talk) 15:49, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

@Bekka18:, sure! You can link them using Wikidata: There is a sidebar in the left, find "Languages" and click "Add links" there. Enjoy! --Ochilov (talk) 16:41, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Bekka18. Have a look at WP:Translate us for general guidance on doing this. --ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Article subtitles and title images in app

When you open an article in the Wikipedia app (Android), there is an article subtitle as well as the title, and if there is an image the title and subtitle are superimposed on it. For example, when the Peter Sellers article is opened on the app, the phrase "British film actor, comedian and singer" appears under the title and the photo from the Infobox is the background of the title and subtitle. I think the first image in the article is automatically placed there.

My first question is, what are the proper terms for the subtitle and header image? I couldn't find a lot information on these two things, and it didn't help that I don't know what they are called.

My second question is, how can these be edited? I'm asking because the Unsimulated sex article has a typo on the subtitle.Bob the Inept (talk) 13:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bob the Inept. I've moved your question to the top of the page. The Teahouse works in a different way to other pages on Wikipedia in that new questions get posted at the top. Hopefully someone will be along to assist you shortly. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:09, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello. Bob the Inept. I don't see a subtitle or image on the Peter Sellers article on the Android Wikipedia app. I wonder if you are looking at it in Google? That often gives information from Wikipedia mixed with other information from elsewhere. (When I look at Peter Sellers on Google on my Android phone, it says "Peter Sellers/Film actor" and then some pictures - which is not the same as you have described, but is similar. --ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine! I went on Google and I see what you mean, but no, I'm sure I see this in the app. If there are any images, the first one always seems to be used as a background image behind the title in my experience. Could we be using different apps? --Bob the Inept (talk) 19:17, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I guess we must be. Mine says it is 2.0-r-2014-08-13. However, I notice that there is an update available (which I haven't had because the storage on my phone is full). --ColinFine (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Preventing Trolls

I though that maybe when I'm bored, I could pop on here and try and prevent trolls. Then the question came up: How? What I'm mainly looking for is in the recent edits page, what should I look for or where? Although anything else would be nice. Someonerandomer (talk) 21:01, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Someonerandomer, you can check the WP:User creation log and look at new users' contribs. If they are trolling you can warn them to stop; if they are making good edits, you can welcome them using this template: {{subst:welcome}}. There are several programs like Twinkle and Huggle that I believe you can also use to find bad edits, but I'm not sure about those because I've never used them. White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 21:06, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I can tell you a bit more about Twinkle since I do use it. It is incredibly useful, but if you don't know what the templates and processes are, it allows you to mess up twice as fast. So my advice is do things manually for the first little while. Otherwise, thank you for helping out! Happy Squirrel (talk) 22:56, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

CS1 URL Error for Mobile Addresses

I've noticed that mobile web addresses in the form of http://m.domain.com/ are not parsed correctly by Wikipedia's software. The "m." before the domain name generates a "Check |url= value" CS1 error. I'm not sure if a one letter host name is allowed by RFC, but I see it showing up more lately. (I've had to find alternate URLs for three citations now in the 2015 Mina Stampede article.) I'm not sure where to report this, so I hope someone here can pass it on to the appropriate team at WMF. Thanks. Carl Henderson (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

If you follow the "help" link from the error message to Help:CS1 errors#bad url you'll see that it says "... there are currently some bugs in the implementation such that valid URLs can cause this error ..." and "The known bugs have been fixed in the sandbox code and when debugging and testing is done, the sandbox code will go live.". It links onwards to Help talk:Citation Style 1 where it is discussed at #Spurious 'Check |url= value' error?. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

online status

could someone please kindly set my online status up please see User:LoVeNoTwAr101 I believe I need to set up a template to the online status but I do not yet know how to do this.LoVeNoTwAr101 _{Lets Talk} 23:10, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello LoVeNoTwAr101, welcome back to the Teahouse. It appears you are using User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate to produce your online status on your user page. The script that goes along with that template that allow those four buttons "online", "busy", "work/class", and "off" to work is apparently buggy, and there are a lot of users reporting that it doesn't work. You have to go to you custom javascript page and add the following line: importScript('User:Henrik/js/automod.js');.

If it does not work, it is possible to manually update your status by going to User:LoVeNoTwAr101/Status and replacing the entire page with just "online" for online, "recently online" for busy, "at work/in class" for work/cass, and "offline" for offline. Once you've done that, purge the cache on your user page and it should update. I have already changed the page to "online" for you, per your request. The process is a little cumbersome; I used to have a status indicator on my user page too, but I eventually took it off because I didn't like having to manually update the status every time I logged in. If you are still confused, let me know and I can look into it a bit more. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 05:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)