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About Deletion

Sir, I created an article about my company, about its founder, history, etc. How is that promotional? If that is so, why are pages of Reliance Industries and other companies still on Wikipedia? Its not fair, as in not letting me publish my article about the company same as that of other companies.

Vivtyg25 (talk) 04:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Vivtyg25, and welcome to the Teahouse. If by "my company" you mean you are personally affiliated with the company, you shouldn't write about it in the first place.

As for quality of articles, if you find other articles that meet the deletion criteria, please nominate them for deletion rather than use them as vehicle for creating even more substandard articles. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Vivtyg25. Let me be frank with you. We have an article about Reliance Industries because it is a multi-billion dollar powerhouse of the Indian economy which has been in business over a half century. On the other hand, you were trying to write an article about an online legal services startup which raised a paltry one million dollars in financing last year. Please do not try to compare a lion to a mouse. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:51, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, Vivtyh25, "fair" doesn't enter into it. Wikipedia articles exist for the purposes of Wikipedia and no other purpose. Nobody and no organisation in the world is entitled to an article, and as a matter of fact nobody in the world - not even Jimmy Wales - owns a Wikipedia article that happens to be about them. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Need a review

Hello, I have been writing a Wikipedia article in my sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NeheScar/sandbox) for a year now, and only recently decided to change its focus from the business housed within 4444 Second Avenue to the building. It was flagged for promotion and lack of necessary third party sources. I would like someone to review the article and see if these problems persist or if there are any new problems. NeheScar (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

NeheScar, press the blue button that says "Resubmit". The issue with notability is by far the most pressing. Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Those three sources currently in the article don't establish this. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Nothing to write...

This may seem like an absurd thing to say but I feel as if everything I know about is quite extensively covered and well referenced in wikipedia. I was wondering what do experienced Wikipedia writers do about this? Do they go about learning a totally new topic that they then write about or adding little bits of information here and there? Just curious that's all as I am struggling to find much to write now and was wondering if anyone was also in a similar situation as well. EvilxFish (talk) 20:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I usually click the random article link and see what happens.—አቤል ዳዊት^?(Janweh64) (talk) 22:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! I've sometimes felt the same way; I've been actively editing for a year but never created an article from scratch. I tend to do "gnomish" work, improving existing articles (which often does involve learning a totally new topic). Wikipedia:Community portal is a central index of the many ways editors can help, including "missing articles" that need to be written. Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement is good if you like to collaborate. I suspect most experienced editors become involved with the many Wikipedia:WikiProjects which focus on a subject matter or policy. Sometimes I'll hunt for typos which can be a good indicator for neglected articles that need cleanup and updating. – Reidgreg (talk) 23:24, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@EvilxFish: You're welcome to work on anything on this list. There are literally tens of thousands of articles in all different interest areas that have been requested at one point or another. You can also check out mylist, if you want a smaller list of work needing done. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:37, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@EvilxFish: There's also User:SuggestBot/Getting Recommendations Regularly. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:57, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all for the feedback I will be sure to read through the links! :) EvilxFish (talk) 18:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Question about fair use images

Hi there,

The article Arturo_Herbruger is listed in the category of "Wikipedia requested photographs". The subject of the article died in 1999, so fair use would apply in this case, correct? If so, should I try searching for a photo from the time period that made him notable, i.e. when he served as Vice President? --FlyingAce (talk) 19:04, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Correct, insofar as you have made an honest effort to look for free images but have failed. You're also correct about the time period.

The big problem with the article, however, is not that it misses an image but that it lacks sources. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:16, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Finnusertop. I'm working on the references too; I found a couple of good ones and will work on add more information to the article.

Regarding the image, would cropping and resizing this photo be acceptable? We do have free images of the other person in this photo. I also found this portrait, from when he presided the Supreme Court, but that was nearly 50 years before he became VP! Any thoughts? --FlyingAce (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

ALL OF MY EDITS REMOVED?

WHY, JUST WHY. I made a page for the character Dr. Gordon from Saw, minutets later it was deleted. I used sources from Wikipedia. explain please, I have had to redo my article twice now, still deleted within minuets.The1Fr33m4n (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@The1Fr33m4n: It appears there is not enough third-party coverage to establish notability to create a separate article on this fictional character. You can see the current information at List of Saw characters#Lawrence Gordon. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I have requested that the article be undeleted and transferred to your userpage or a draft. Hopefully an admin will do that for you. You may work on it there and maybe submit it to WP:AFC when you think it is ready. Please don't be discouraged. Nothing is really deleted on Wikipedia unless it is a gross violation of policy.—አቤል ዳዊት^?(Janweh64) (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

But, The1Fr33m4n, please read WP:Your first article, to discover what a difficult task it is to write a new article in Wikipedia, and how to go about doing so in a way that works. --ColinFine (talk) 23:45, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I am very sorry I freaked, Thanks for the help, I am a fan of the Saw Franchise and I made the page to expand more on the Mythos of Saw. I apologize for my behaivior and I will work on it more soon. :) again thanks User:Nihonjoe and User:ColinFine for helping me out — Preceding unsigned comment added by The1Fr33m4n (talk • contribs) 21:53, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

My Tables are no longer seen in my sandbox

Hello! First want to say the Teahouse is a great resource for newbies like myself! I am in the process of my first submission on Constantine Mavroudis, MD. I was originally having trouble with format during writing so I wrote it all in WORD and pasted into Wikipedia. THEN I found the visual editing. Now my article is in my sandbox but I had several tables that are no longer visible. Any advice or direction? Thank you!Amr247rn (talk) 21:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Amr247rn, welcome to the Teahouse. Your sandbox was moved to Draft:Constantine Mavroudis but [1] shows it was then deleted as a copyright infringement of http://www.congenitalheartdocumentary.com/result.php%3Ftitle%3DConstantine-Mavroudis. Only administrators like me can see the deleted revisions of pages. I can see your tables but have also confirmed that parts of the page were identical to the linked page, e.g. the sentence "He was recruited to Children's Memorial Hospital-Northwestern University, The Feinberg School of Medicine in 1989 as the Willis J. Potts Professor of Surgery, Division Director of Pediatric Cardiac Surgery and Surgeon-in-Chief." This doesn't match your statement "This is all original work" in [2]. http://www.congenitalheartdocumentary.com/result.php%3Ftitle%3DConstantine-Mavroudis says the page is copyrighted. A Google search also finds some of the text at other websites. I'm not sure where it originates from. Do you have evidence that it's allowed to copy it? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Flight Engineer Article

Can I add two Australian book references to the Flight Engineer article on wikipedia Rex58.161.77.224 (talk) 03:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rex. What is important is whether the book is reliable as a reference for the information in the article. There needs to be a good reason to add a reference. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How to check article is published or not?

I have written a aritcle and I want to know when it will published and how to check the article is published or not?Vsk2255 (talk) 04:27, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, User:Vsk2255. I've moved the page to here. It probably won't be published in Wikipedia article space in its current state, because it lacks secondary sources; we need those to establish notability. I'd recommend reading Your First Article for some guidelines on how to write and style it. Thanks! MereTechnicality ⚙ 04:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Help to write edit with implied citation

New to editing Wikipedia articles and not sure how to make an edit based on implied information from citations as against a clear citation. Would like advice on how to word what I wish to say in an edit to Granite Mountain, Arizona. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_Mountain_(Arizona) Ernest Bywater (talk) 03:19, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ernest Bywater, and welcome to the Teahouse. It all depends on what do you mean by "implied" information versus a "clear" citation. There are some things you cannot do with sources, please see Wikipedia:No original research. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I've posted this information twice, but it doesn't show up - I'll try again without the link. - -

Hello Finnusertop, to me a clear citation is one with backing that clearly states something. In the Granite Mountain article they say the mountain was first named in after the first governor appointed to the Arizona Territory when it was created in March 1862 and he died in March 1863. However, I researched the area for a story, and found several maps from the 1850s and 1860s and found a place called Black Mountain that's shown at the same spot just north of Prescott, the best map is the 'Map of the Military Department of New Mexico' dated 1864 (from the David Rumsey map collection at www davidrumsey com )which shows Black Mountain at what looks to be the same co-ordinates as Granite Mountain and between Prescott and the Williamson Valley. To me, this implies or infers the two mountains are the same, but I've no clear reference saying the name was changed, and thus uncertain how to show the information on the page. I hope this helps you to understand what my concern is. Ernest Bywater (talk) 06:02, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

That would be original research, which we don't use (even when based on primary sources). All we do is summarize professionally published mainstream academic and journalistic sources. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:14, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Ian, if that's the case, I gather you don't accept anything about independent authors or their works, or the research and materials they state in their works. I just find it odd I can show the reliable sources primary sources, but can't include it in the information on the page. Ernest Bywater (talk) 06:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Ernest Bywater. Sorry, but that is not what Ian.thomson was trying to say. You can cite what independent authors say, as long as their work is published by outlets with professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy and fact checking. I hope that you are not using "independent" as a synonym for "lacking professional editorial control" because that definition does not fly here on Wikipedia. If someone's research indicates that a certain mountain once had a different name, then they should publish that research in a journal of geographic place names, or a similar reliable source. After publication. it can be mentioned here on Wikipedia. But not before. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:43, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

I've come across such issues before. Is the map in question, Map of the Military Department of New Mexico, a "reliable published source"? How about maps published by the Ordnance Survey? Maps in an atlas published by a respectable publisher, such as Andrees Allgemeiner Handatlas? Maproom (talk) 07:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

The map in question is an appendix in the hard cover book 'Atlas to Accompany the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies 1861 - 1865' and the map's title is 'Map of the Military Department of New Mexico' listed as 'Plate XCVIII' with the following information printed on it 'Drawn under the direction of Brig. Gen. James H.Carleton by Capt. Allen Anderson 5th U.S.Infantry, Acting Engineering Officer, 1864' - the image I have is from the David Rumsey collection and its URL (minus the dots in the web page to deactivate the link) is - www davidrumsey com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~26927~1100226:Mil--Dept--New-Mexico-

Is that a good enough source or not - it's obviously from a formal published work of military origin. The map has the longitude and latitude marked on it, and at the same place as the co-ordinates for Granite Mountain is a double peak mountain named Black Mountain the same distance from Fort Whipple as Granite Mountain is today. There are also a couple of older maps I've seen with Black Mountain on it in that same area, but they aren't as accurate or as clear. Ernest Bywater (talk) 08:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Ernest Bywater, in my view, it is acceptable for an article to say "this source A says X but this other source B says Y". What an article must not do is to draw any conclusion from the above statements. So, if I understand your point above, it would be acceptable to say that the (cited) map shows a mountain called Black Mountain at that location, but should not attempt to resolve the question. --ColinFine (talk) 10:00, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you all, especially ColinFine. I'll now have to do some studying about how to make an edit, and spend some time thinking on how best to properly word what to say. The map in involved is very detailed and includes the explorations of a lot of people. Many of the places have the same names as today, and quite a few don't. It's a good historical reference source for Arizona and New Mexico of the mid 1800s. Ernest Bywater (talk) 15:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Bruce here, and I have figured out how to use the italics, with some help from you guys. Do not need more info on that. But I still say it is a bit odd, not the usual method, to get italics. Thanks. 70.69.105.17 (talk) 08:00, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Strange things in android version??

I was looking at Passive-aggressive behavior and in the normal (browswer) version it looks okay , but in the wikipedia android app there is a (almost) rude starting line and i don't know how to remove it.

Please can somebody remove this (almost) rudeness and how can I do that next time myself? WillemienH (talk) 22:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@WillemienH: Please be more specific regarding the "(almost) rude starting line". ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:16, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I think I figured it out. It looks like someone vandalized the Wikidata entry. That has since been corrected. Try refreshing and see if it's still there. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

It has allready been changed, thanks -- but how can I next time change it myself? or is this kind of vandalism to rare to learn to repair WillemienH (talk) 23:22, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@WillemienH: On each article page, there is a list of links to the same topic in other languages. At the bottom of the list is a link titled "Edit links" (this may not appear in the mobile version of the page). Click on that link to go to Wikidata and review the content there. Keep in mind that editing on Wikidata is a lot more technical than editing here, so be cautious before changing anything. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:32, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

I just fixed it on Wikidata. I don't know how you would get to it on the Android app, but in a browser you go to the Wikipedia page and pick "Wikidata item" in the side-bar. Then you can find the relevant bit of the Wikidata page and edit it. (You can also look at the page history to see who did it, and warn them on their talk page, though there don't seem to be any templates to do this in Wikidata. This is the first time I have seen vandalism in Wikidata, but I haven't been there much recently, so I don't know how common it it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Yeah, vandalism is less common on Wikidata because it requires more technical know-how to do things there. Thankfully. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: sounds all rather complicated :) maybe it was just somebody trying it out, hope it was the only vandalism on Wikidata, i guess somebody had a look at other "contribiutions" of this user and so WillemienH (talk) 09:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I created the article 'Subeme La Radio', a song, why is someone move my page ?

I created the article 'Subeme La Radio', a song, why is someone move my page ? I can't get over it, that editor who move my article just add 'Súbeme', that so. That is my article, how can someone move my page ? Please, can someone clear it out ! Giangkiefer (talk) 03:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Giangkiefer. Please note that no one 'owns' an article. It is very important to remember that. Second, the person moved the page to add an accent to the title, since pages can't be renamed. I'm not sure what you mean by "clear it out," but if you believe it should be moved back, I'd recommend asking the editor who performed the action.

However, while I was trying to find the editor who performed that action, I noticed you already made your opinion known on their page. It's very important to our community that we don't do personal attacks, that you stay civil to other editors, and to always assume that other editors want to help. Please keep those in mind for the future. Thank you! MereTechnicality ⚙ 04:05, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, what has happened here is that Giangkiefer created the article Subeme La Radio on February 23, then Salvabl created Súbeme La Radio on February 24 by copy and paste and redirected the former to the latter, thus depriving Giangkiefer of the authorship. I'll put it right. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, it's done, the copy-paste version is deleted, the original article by Giangkiefer is at Súbeme La Radio, and I've advised Salvabl on how to change article titles by using the Move procedure. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Stanley Leopold Fowler butchered article

I just need to add that the article I wrote was utterly butchered by someone with no reason, explanation or rhyme as to why. Is this wiki standard practice? How disturbing, inconsiderate and heart wrenching! Don't know where to retrieve the information from?! Thewayweis (talk) 14:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

• If you look in the article history tab (the tab that says "View History") while looking at the article in question, people may have left summaries of the edits they made. If these summaries do not adequately explain why they made the changes they did, you can ask them on their User Talk page to elaborate, and maybe they can help you to understand why they made the changes they did. --Jayron32 14:54, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Thewayweis

I'm afraid that, like many others, you have misunderstood what Wikipedia is about. It is an encyclopaedia, which summarises what independent sources have published about subjects. Creating an article is one of the most difficult things to do on Wikipedia, creating one without reliable sources is just impossible I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 15:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Jayron for your imput it is much appreciated. I welcome the imput and editing done since the article came into existence. As I am new to wikipedia it was a welcomed and great help. The article was suggested for deletion at the onset and through many discussions about the sources being from the 70's it was taken off deletion. Now I am finding the article for deletion again with very little constructive support. Not only that, the note for deletion was up today for a couple of hours and the note stated it was up for discussion again. Within this time the article was butchered, even the constructive edits from other members who have helped, leaving the article incoherent and incomplete. How many times does the same article go up for deletion after it has been taken off initially?

deleted sections of article Stanley Leopold Fowler

Hello I have done my best to upgrade the article Stanley Leopold Fowler, according to all the suggestions, an article that was initially proposed for deletion and after going back and forth giving the reasons why the online sourcing is difficult (happened in 1977-long before the internet) the deletion was removed. Sadly, it is up again for discussion and most of the improvements and additions have been removed, I presume may be wrongly, by TheRoadislong, who queried Leo Fowler's notability. The article was written supported by a lot of facts but suddenly, to someone it seemed biased... I am at a loss and truly feel discouraged as someone new to wiki and trying really hard to understand. It was stated the article was up for discussion today yet a lot has been removed today, without giving clear reasons as to why or giving helpful suggestions as to what to do. I am truly stumped that the same article can be proposed for deletion then taken off from deletion after discussion, then amended according to suggestions, then proposed for deletion again!!! What on earth is going on? How many times can the same article be up for deletion? Very distressing and although 'not personal' when done in such a away with no communication or constructive suggestion it feels like it!!! Thewayweis (talk) 14:45, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Thewayweis. I appreciate that it's extremely frustrating to see your work on an article be discarded, or nominated for deletion, and I'm sorry that you haven't had the most friendly welcome. Unfortunately this is something many new editors experience when they attempt to write an article from scratch, because they aren't yet familiar with Wikipedia's distinct encyclopaedic style. It's important to always approach Wikipedia editing as a collaborative activity. Collaboration is fundamental to what Wikipedia is – literally, it's what the "Wiki" half of the name means. When you contribute your work, others are free to rework it as they see fit, if they think it will improve the article. Similarly, you are free to rework their reworking (or just restore old versions) if you think that is an improvement. And if any editor thinks that the best thing for the encyclopaedia is to delete a particular article, they are free to nominated it, as many times as they wish. But you have as much of a say in these processes as anybody else.

One of the key collaboration tools we have, as Jayron32 mentioned above, is an article's history. It's a log of every edit made to the article, showing exactly what was changed, by who, and what reason they gave for it. You should always check this to figure out why another editor might have removed your contribution. Another feature of the history is that it means nothing is ever lost. By clicking on the timestamps in the history you can view previous versions of the page; for example, here's the last version before it was nominated for deletion the second time. If you want, you can retrieve text from previous versions and re-add them to the page. Even deleted articles aren't really deleted, just hidden so that only administrators can see them, so there's the possibility of them being un-deleted later.

I can see that Stanley Leopold Fowler has quite a long and confusing history so I'll try to summarise it for you. When you first created the article it was nominated for deletion twice. The first via speedy deletion and the second via proposed deletion. Both of these processes are designed to quickly delete articles that are clearly unsuitable for Wikipedia, but they were quite rightly declined. Over the last month other editors have been making minor changes to the article at the same time as you, and one added some tags to the top of the page to highlight areas that they felt needed improvement. The article was nominated for deletion for a third time today using the normal, non-expedited process that involves a community discussion. Often these discussions attract the attention of editors who try to improve or rewrite the article to see if it can be "saved". This is exactly what Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi was doing when they removed material that was (according to their edit summary) overly promotional and non-encyclopaedic. What happens now is that there will be a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Leopold Fowler. It is a discussion, not a vote, with the objective being to reach a consensus on whether to delete or keep the article, and you're welcome to participate in it. The main question will be whether Fowler meets the notability guideline. So if you want to see the article kept, the best thing to do is to show that there are reliable sources that discuss his life.

Again, I'm sorry your initial experiences with Wikipedia haven't been the most positive. It isn't always like this, believe me, but you've given yourself a tough job in writing a brand new article. Whatever the outcome of the AfD I hope you continue to contribute. – Joe (talk) 20:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

A quick addendum – those sources don't have to be online. Good old fashioned paper is fine. Just provide a reference. – Joe (talk) 20:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Joe

I have found your imput most helpful and explanatory. I am deeply grateful for all the constructive editing that most contributors have done on the article and I truly don't mind guidance in any sense - I welcome it! Firstly, half of the time I am not sure where to go to respond, even now I am responding with trepidation not knowing with confidence that this is the right way to respond to you as there are so many links within links within links to know what is the appropriate option. Nor do I know when suggestions come up on boxes how to fully implement them. Shame wiki cannot allocate a guide to each newcomer if not to make life a tad easier to contribute. The disputed recurring problems, in my humble opinion, seems to be notability and references. The fact is that Stanley Leopold Fowler DID build the Elizabethan Village in Armadale, he DID win the prestigious Sir David Brand Award for Tourism, he DID have three attempts to get permission off Dr. Levi Fox, the Elizabethan Village DID get a plaque commemorating him and the Elizabethan Village as a historic site, which he built. What some one personally thinks about the site pales into insignificance with the fact that it is there and standing as a historic site. I might not like the Stonehenge but it is there as a testimony to someone. I personally saw the blueprints at the archives at the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust in Stratford -upon -Avon. The references kindly given by his daughter, Sally-ann Fowler were from newspaper articles from the 70's (I provided images to this effect of the articles) and I have asked wiki permissions ([Ticket#2017012910007647] Stanley Leopold Fowler) if these can be used. The problem, as I see it, is that they cannot be used as permission needs to be sought from the authors of these articles (who are possibly deceased and cannot be tracked, although I have tried). When the article was initially proposed for deletion this issue, I thought was dealt with but it seems to have reared it's ugly head three times. I hoped that dealing with it once was enough! The issue of collaboration as I see it, especially with the last deletion proposal, was that there was no collaboration nor constructive guidance by the editor who deleted it. Albeit, I must apologize for thinking it was Theroadislong although he/she cited COI. I was fascinated by the man who actually created something tangible for prosperity, which is officially deemed a historic site, and there is nothing concrete said about him. Is he to fall into obscurity because of referencing? If my style of writing was the issue that can be changed, but no one even said it was to me for me to correct it, although it was called a 'hagiography'. Yes there are guidelines on wiki, but those seem to also be at the whim of individual interpretation. I question how many times can the same article can be up for deletion and feel saddened by this whole experience and wonder at the concept of cyber community...nothing different than the three dimensional world. Going back to the beginning, I cannot stress how grateful I am for constructive editors who have truly contributed, helped and guided this newcomer...so on a positive...there is always hope! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewayweis (talk • contribs) 10:56, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Not My Edit!

I, in Wikipedia Arabic, am vigilant for any POV edits. for example; On the article Qalqilya, a city in Palestine, the writer has a clear bias against Israel (which is very, very common with Mr. Wikipedia "Bias" Arabic). The name of the section talking about the Israeli claim to the farmland of the outskirts of Qalqilya (my hometown, by the way) is surreptitiously called "The Imprisoned City". I changed the title to "The Farmland dispute" and (as expected) got my edit reverted a day later. The problem is: when I compared my version with the current one, it shows I have done a lot more than that (and the text allegedly written by me had a very disgusting bias). This had happened a lot with me, what is happening?! SammyMajed (talk) 06:11, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, SammyMajed. Here at the Teahouse, we discuss editing of the English Wikipedia, and have no expertise about the Arabic Wikipedia. At User talk: Jimbo Wales, you may find people with knowledge about problems on various language Wikipedias. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm pinging @Meno25: who is listed at WP:Local Embassy as one of the editors at the Arabic WP desk. They may be able to help figure you figure out what's going on. It may depend on how you viewed the edits; there are ways to compare two separate edits that combine all of the intermediate edits as well, which you may have done inadvertently. jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:37, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@SammyMajed: We cannot help with policies and disputes at the Arabic Wikipedia but we can maybe help with the software. I don't know Arabic but I looked at the page history [3]. You made the four most recent edits, and you made four edits in January with no other edits for weeks, so I don't understand what you refer to. Click the "السابق" or "prev" link to see the changes made by a single edit. Maybe you were looking at a total change made by multiple edits. For example, [4] displays "(7 مراجعات متوسطة بواسطة 5 مستخدمين غير معروضة)" or "(7 intermediate revisions by 5 users not shown)" above the diff. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Looking for an extra set of eyes...

...to help in how I can improve my article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_Cancel

Any help is much appreciated.

Adam

64.138.248.61 (talk) 13:00, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

The main obstacle to getting this article accepted will be the need to establish that its subject is notable. For this someone will need to find reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject. The draft currently has seven references, but (1) is not independent, (2) and (3) mention the subject but don't discuss him, (4) and (7) are about interviews with him, and so not independent, (5) is a blog and so not reliable, and (6) does not mention him. I have used Google to try to find better sources, and failed. Maproom (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How to crop the image in an Infobox?

Is there a way to crop the image within {{Infobox person}}? I tried experimenting with Image={{CSS image crop}}... but the resulting image is waaaay too big to display, and it ignores the image_upright and image_size parameters. I'm probably missing something obvious; can somebody point me in the right direction? Gronk Oz (talk) 12:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

See Mustafizur Rahman for a cropped image in an infobox. Maproom (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Perfect - thanks, Maproom! --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:35, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Contributions

Where can I get how many edits I did till now Sawongam (talk) 14:16, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sawongam - provided you have pop-ups enabled (Check box at Preferences/Gadgets/Browsing/Navigation popups) just hover over your signature - it tells me you have 181. Alternatively, although it is currently not working for me, click "Edit count" at the bottom of your "Contributions" page - this may give a slightly different figure - Arjayay (talk) 14:25, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@SawOnGam: For your own edit count you can also click "Preferences" at top of any page. This is fast and always works. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How do you upload a image for the infobox? are you required to wait 4 days until confirmed? ItsJimmyJay (talk) 17:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

ItsJimmyJay (talk) 17:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

No, you can upload one at Wikimedia Commons, provided that you really know what you are doing and in particular adhere with the licensing requirements. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:43, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Christoph Waltz is not on any social media

Please can you remove permenantly sorry for my english external links page of Christoph Waltz because he is not on any social media he will never open any social media he likes to keep his privacy out of the public eye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reinai1824 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi. I notice that you've tried to remove it yourself, about 20 times. Please don't do that; it's disruptive. Instead, let's discuss it.

What makes you believe that that is not his official twitter account? 86.20.193.222 (talk) 18:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Reinai1824, welcome to the Teahouse. I have removed it with an explanation.[5] PrimeHunter (talk) 19:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

How long does it take to have the changes approved?

It's been a while since I did the original submissions. But this time it's taking longer for the changes. NHot sure what the procedure is - or if I have done something wrong.NZBC1900 (talk) 20:45, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@NZBC1900: specifically which article and/or changes are you asking about? You can click your "contributions" page to see any change you've made, go to it, and copy and paste the link here to show us. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:18, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@NZBC1900: You may be talking about List of Chinese New Zealanders to which you made multiple edits a week ago. If you look at the page history you will see that these edits were reverted by the bot named XLinkBot which recognised that a link added was to a blog, and an explanation is given at User talk:NZBC1900#February 2017 as well as in the edit summary of the reversion. It is worth noting that if the bot recognises an unacceptable link being added it will revert the whole series of edits. In fact, many of the other edits in the series were also unacceptable as they were adding "references" to Wikipedia URLs. If you read WP:CIRCULAR you will see why this is not acceptable. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:46, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi NZBC1900. I'm not sure what you're referring to because you don't say. However, given your editing history, am I correct that your question regards List of Chinese New Zealanders? If so, while there are some processes on Wikipedia that make a change subject to approval (for example, the very small number of articles subject to pending changes), your edits to the list went live at the moment you made them, and then were reverted, as you can view from the article's page history. The revert was by User:XLinkBot, a bot, and based on its edit summary, the reason focused on the fact that the citation you added included blogs, which are generally not reliable sources. Adding citations to unsourced content is one of the most important activities you can do on Wikipedia, and so I commend you for taking on that effort. I don't want to discourage you from that activity, but it requires some understanding of what we are looking for.

1. Many of the citations you were adding are to other Wikipedia articles. That is circular, and Wikipedia's content is user-generated; our articles are not reliable sources.
2. Many others were to sources of questionable reliability, such as IMDb, blogs, as already noted, and others.
3. When I look at some of the sources, even where they were reliable, they did not seem to verify the text that preceded the spot where you added the citation. For example, the source you added for Cheung-Tak Hung may be reliable, but it does not corroborate the information in the entry for him. Citations are not added to name check but verify the actual content they appear in relation to.
4. Please see WP:CITEHOW for what information to include in a citation. If a cite is to a reliable source, that verifies the content it is placed for, it is better than no source, but a naked URL is not a transparent citation. To provide an example, for the citation you placed for Cheung-Tak Hung, instead of:

<ref>https://gg.govt.nz/node/2002</ref>, which results in people seeing this in the references section of the article: "[6]"

We would be looking more for something like:

<ref>{{cite web|url=https://gg.govt.nz/node/2002|title=Profile of Cheung-Tak Hung|publisher=Office of the Governor-General of New Zealand|website=newzealnd.govt.nz|accessdate=February 25, 2017}}</ref>

which results in people seeing this in the references section of the article:

"Profile of Cheung-Tak Hung". newzealnd.govt.nz. Office of the Governor-General of New Zealand. Retrieved February 25, 2017.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Citation

Hi, I wrote a paragraph in an article on a technical subject, bringing it up to date and adding a concise explanation of what the thing is and does. I have gathered the knowledge used to be able to write the paragraph from multiple sources.

Should I cite one of them? Many of them? (It is not a controversial subject)

The one I would cite is a recent book. Should I cite the paper copy I have, or reference a (not-free) eBook on one of the bookstores?

I wrote the second paragraph (and rewrote / edited most of the initial section of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol

Thanks!Octopenslayer (talk) 15:42, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

P.S. I have now also rewritten the last paragraph in the initial section. Do I need to cite? The book mentioned above has this info as well. Should I cite it again?

ThanksOctopenslayer (talk) 16:03, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Octopenslayer. When in doubt, cite! It's better to have too many than too few. You should cite all the sources that you consulted. Either the paper copy or the ebook are fine, I would go with the paper copy if that's what you actually used.

The lead section is an exception; you don't need to cite information there as long as it's not controversial and it appears (with a citation) somewhere in the body of the article. Keep up the good work! – Joe (talk) 20:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks for your advice. I also read some wikipedia policy on the lead section and citations. I edited the article again, to make the lead four paragraphs long (per best practices) and to move the citations to the body of the article. As a second edit, to separate the two, I edited the section Protocol operation for style and technical accuracy. I added a citation in the body to the textbook I used, to support the paragraphs I wrote in the head and the text I added in the Protocol operation section. I also flagged a paragraph as "citation needed" as the paragraph has questionable technical accuracy and is not verifiable... in my opinion it should be deleted, but I imagine the person who originally wrote it might not like if I summarily deleted their work. If anyone cares to take a look at my two edits on the page and the citation I made and let me know if it looks good or any other comments, I would appreciate it.Octopenslayer (talk) 01:30, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Need a reviewer, possibly a mover too!

I wrote a short draft article and would love to have someone review it, suggest improvements so we can move it to articles soon. Thanks.Calexit (talk) 15:47, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Calexit, and welcome to the Teahouse. It has been submitted for review. All you have to do now is wait. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:48, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done Draft approved, moved to moonscape over existing stub. MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:55, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

How to handle a potential COI page creation?

Hi again. I've run across Abscription which seems highly questionable to me. The references are 5 USA patents and 1 chapter of an open access book, all having in common a person with the initials MMH. The editor that created the article does not have a userpage, but the name seems that it could be a derivative of MMH's name (it begins with a potential "nickname" of the first name of MMH). This article seems to me to be a candidate for deletion for lack of notability or COI or both. PLUS, if you look at the creation entry, it actually has a trademark symbol after Abscription! If the creator had a userpage, I'd follow the directions and contact her/him first. How should I proceed in this case? @Jytdog: Thanks, DennisPietras (talk) 05:00, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

The article is speedy deletable per PROMO; I have tagged it. It is not worth reaching out to the creator, who was a WP:SPA and was ~likely~ to have a COI ....they haven't been active in WP for three years. Deleting it should be all we need to do. Jytdog (talk) 05:34, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Thank you I'll remove the link to it from the PIC page which led me to it. DennisPietras (talk) 05:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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help regarding a page

Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Satyendra_Basu_Roy_Choudhury Sir there is no doubt that the person in the page exist and he is the most famous police men in Tripura, India... I realy admire him. You can verify it by calling any random police station in the state of Tripura and then you can know better about him. You can understand by my word how confident I am. There are many local newspaper articles about this police men's good work, plus the page had got a lot of references. So it should not be deleted. It is not a hoax. It is truly real. Do review the page I had created and undo and let me know if you want any changes in it. Sacrifies and high integrity of work of such soldiers should be noted. Thanks! TripuraKnowledge (talk) 06:53, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, TripuraKnowledge. The article was deleted as "unambiguous advertising or promotion". I suggest that you begin by reading about the neutral point of view, and then read Your first article. I am sorry, but we do not call police stations (or anywhere else) to check on the facts of articles. Instead, we summarize what reliable, independent published sources say about the topic. The newspaper articles you mentioned are more useful than suggestions to make phone calls. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:35, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

My article has been deleted due to advertising

I can find similar language in more than a dozen other wikipedia entries about historic properties in the United States, some of them not even as significant or historic as the Smyser-Bair House. The entry is not advertising the business, it's focused on the presence and history of the house. Many of the references, especially regarding the history, come from historic archives and books. For rooms that are named after people who lived in the house in the 1800s and 1900s, we link to the website. If we edit out descriptive words about the house that are not attributed to third-party sources such as newspaper articles, and we focus more on the history, will that work? Another question: we like the idea of listing the individually named rooms since they're named after historic residents from the 1800s and 1900s, and are wallpapered with prints from other historic mansions throughout the U.S. If we edit out descriptions like "beautiful" and "comfortable," can we keep those references, or should we focus only on the history itself? Our intention with this entry is not to promote business. We, like many residents of York, feel that the Smyser-Bair House is an important piece of history and would like this nationally-recognized property to have a presence on Wikipedia as so many other historic properties do."

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by SM Zakir Hasan Anu (talk • contribs) 18:29, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@SM Zakir Hasan Anu: some of the things you mention would help but the bigger issue is that significant parts of the article were a copyright violation and that is a real show-stopper. You should recreate the article writing it in your own words supported by references from a variety of reliable sources. Nthep (talk) 19:15, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@SM Zakir Hasan Anu: You also haven't yet disclosed your paid editing that you mentioned on IRC. This might be in violation of the terms of use. See WP:PAID for more information. KSFT ^(t|c) 17:08, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

References

how to add References? Blackrussian6980 (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Blackrussian6980 and welcome to the Teahouse. There is a good article describing this at User:Yunshui/References for beginners. If you have more questions after reading that, please come back and ask. --Gronk Oz (talk) 20:22, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

how does one e-mail a user?

Hi again! I've had multiple users e-mail me. I would like to e-mail a different user, but I cannot figure out how to do that. Is it perhaps something only admins can initiate? If any user can do it, please explain. Thanks, DennisPietras (talk) 02:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, DennisPietras. You can go to Special:EmailUser and type in the username of the person you can to send mail to. MereTechnicality ⚙ 03:47, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you DennisPietras (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hi again, DennisPietras. Two things: Not every editor has email enabled (it's an option that can be set in your preferences). Second, unless the info you wish to discuss is sensitive, Wikipedia tries really hard to be transparent. Most communication can and should occur on the talk pages. John from Idegon (talk) 07:35, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@DennisPietras: I agree entrirely with what John from Idegon has said, and would add that if the user has email enabled you will see an entry "Email this user" in the "Tools" menu in the left-hand toolbar on the user's user page and on his user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:52, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again, and yes, I understand and agree that most discussions should appear on talk pages, and I don't understand why one of the people who contacted me used e-mail rather than talk, but one was sensitive, and that is what I would reserve e-mail for. DennisPietras (talk) 01:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

how do I add a photo from Wikimedia to my Wikipedia article?

How do I add a photo to Wikipedia article from Wikimedia? Col Jacob Griffin picture to the Col Jacob Griffin pageCol Jacob Griffin (talk) 00:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Col Jacob Griffin. Are you asking about how to add a photo to User:Col Jacob Griffin or Draft:Jacob Griffin (born 1730)? Adding a photo is the technically the same for both, but policy-wise there are certain differences. It's also not clear if you want to upload a new file or want to use an existing file already uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. The more information you can provide, the easier you'll make it for someone to answer your question. Finally, you might want to consider changing your username as explained in WP:IMPERSONATE. Although it pretty much certain that nobody will mistake you for a person who died in 1800, your choice of username might lead others to assume you have a conflict of interest with the subject matter. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:41, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Help find and insert a secondary source for a federal report

Hi there I'm new to wikipedia and Joel B. Lewis keeps retracting my edit on the Planned Parenthood Videos Controversy page saying that i need a second source.

I am wondering if the source I listed is not sufficient. If not, please help me find a secondary source. I don't know what would qualify.

This federal report needs to be included on the page and the details of the Report's findings should be detailed further below in the content. I haven't done it yet because I was worried I was going to have some kind of contestant trying to waste my time.

Thanks, G 4truth4 (talk) 01:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, 4truth4. It appears that you are trying to add quotes from a highly partisan congressional committee report into this article, and using the report itself as the reference. This committee report is a primary source. It would be far better to use a secondary source, such as an article in a reliable newspaper or magazine, as a reference for this. When other editors ask for better sources, this is not in any sense wasting your time. It is protecting the quality of the encyclopedia which should be built on secondary sources as much as possible. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Creation of new article

So,I created a article "Kizuna Ai" but it got tagged for "speedy deletion". I did some research,and i understood that the information that i have is very less,but is there a way to post it? She is a new type of a "Virtual Youtuber" that came out in late 2016 and wiki dose not have an article about her.Would you please look at the article i wrote,and describe the things what i should do and shouldn't do.Otaku977 (talk) 04:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Otaku977. If the available information is, as you say, "very less" and if this person's work is of a "new type" as of late 2016, then it is almost impossible for this person to be eligible for a Wikipedia article. The way to post it is to add the information to a website other than Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:21, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Information could easily belong to two pages.

Hi, first I would like to thank those who helped answer my last two questions, you have really helped me get to grips with the basics of editing wikipedia, I hope to return the favor by editing more articles and also helping in the teahouse when I have more experience. Basically there seems to be overlap in certain articles such that information could easily belong to both. For example the environmental impact of hydrocarbons and the environmental impact of alkanes can be treated as almost identical as alkanes are a type of hydrocarbon, or the effects of a mechanical bond on chemical reactivity could equally belong to the article mechanically interlocked molecular architectures (which are formed by mechanical bonds) or the article specifically called "mechanical bond". When faced with such a scenario does the good wikipedia editor: A) Pick one of the articles at random and place the information there. B) Place the information in both articles or C) Other? I did look around to see if there was any information on this so I didn't have to bother you guys however I couldn't find anything that describes this scenario. Any help would much be appreciated, regards EvilxFish (talk) 15:53, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello, EvilxFish. Does WP:MERGE answer your questions? --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi , ColinFine for some examples yes I do believe a merger may fix it, however for others such as the hydrocarbon and alkane example, I don't think that is appropriate as though the scope overlaps on the particular issue of environmental impact, it differs in other respects and both articles are quite large. EvilxFish (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to create another article specifically for environmental impacts and link both the alkane article and hydrocarbon article to it after a brief intro on both for example? EvilxFish (talk) 17:29, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think Merge is relevant to this situation. In the hydrocarbons or alkanes example I'd go with putting it in the hydrocarbons article, unless there is something that is specifically relevant to alkanes only, rather than hydrocarbons in general. In the chemical bond case put it in both articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi,Dodger67, There are a few things that are specific to alkanes only but for the most part it is for hydrocarbons in general (which still also applies to alkanes). So it is ok to put in duplicate information in two different articles if it fits into both as in the mechanical bond article? I may actually flag the mechanical bond one for a merger with mechanically interlocked molecular architectures as I don't feel as if it deserves its own page (wikipedia is not a dictionary type scenario). EvilxFish (talk) 19:26, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

EvilxFish it's a common issue in articles about living things; a feature that is common to an entire genus would be fully explained in the genus article and be mentioned in each species article with only variations explained. I think I agree with the merge proposal, though I haven't yet read both articles attentively. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:23, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Which model to give evidence?

The articlesl should not be a source book for the census..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madurai nayak vamsa (talk • contribs) 00:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello Madurai nayak vamsa and welcome to the Teahouse.

I see that you posted a query at Talk:Kamma (caste), but I can't make out what your question is. Wikipedia's content may be used elsewhere under the Creative Commons license (see WP:COPYRIGHT). jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 06:33, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Getting article approved

Hi, just trying to get my article approved on Wiki after failing several times. Any advice will be helpful, even advice in pruning article so it might have a better chance of getting approved. Have cited article to the best of my ability with what I can find on internet about subject. Thanks in advance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lisa_Maxwell_(singer,_songwriter) Jammin75 (talk) 07:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Jammin75: as so often, the main obstacle to getting the draft accepted will be the lack of citations establishing that the subject is notable. I suggest that you concentrate on that. If you can't find adequate citations, time spent on other aspects of the draft will be wasted. Maproom (talk) 10:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

replacing the photo of a political leader

Would someone please advise me on how I should proceed to replace the photo of Rached Ghannouchi (a political leader) on his Wikipedia page. Current image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rached_Ghannouchi#/media/File:Ghannouchi.png Replacement image https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rached_Ghannouchi_1.jpg I uploaded the replacement onto Wikimedia Commons and it is my own work. Mouad888 (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Mouad888. I agree that your photo is better. It is more recent, higher resolution and better lit. I suggest that you crop your photo more tightly on his face so that it becomes a portrait, and then simply make the change by editing the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Maproom (talk) 10:14, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Can't edit properly

Help!, whenever I try to add some text between letters the text gets replaced instead of adding new text, i don't know if i explained myself well (for example: if I want to add "is" to "Earth round" it ends up like this: "Earth is nd" instead of "Earth is round"), and it's not my computer or my browser, it only happens in wikipedia. --DashyGames (talk) 10:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I have experienced the same problem caused by my keyboard going in to "replace" mode. Try hitting the "Insert" key on your keyboard. You should find things return to normal. Dolphin (t) 10:53, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! it's now normal. --DashyGames (talk) 10:58, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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