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How to create an article on a famous personality.

Hello,

I am new to wikipedia articleship. I would want to know, how are we suppose to make a page or article for a famous personality.

Awaiting for your quick reply.

Thanks Donesh Protectmediaonline (talk) 08:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Protectmediaonline: Hello and welcome. I would first note that you use "we" above; please note that usernames must only be used by one person per the username policy, and that usernames cannot be that of a group or organization. If your name is that of an organization, you will need to change your username so that it indicates only one person is using it. "JohnDoe of Protectmedia" would be acceptable if that is the case(you don't need to use your real name). You can request to change your username by following the instructions on this page.

Regarding creating a page, it depends on what you mean by "famous personality". On Wikipedia, notability is used as a test for whether a subject merits an article. Not every subject does, and being notable is not the same thing as being famous. What notability means is that the subject must have been written about in independent reliable sources(sources that are not written by or associated with the subject in any way) that indicate why they merit inclusion in this encyclopedia. The best way for a new user to create a page would be to visit Articles for Creation and use the process there. Note that successfully creating an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia; it may be best for you to start small by just making changes to existing articles first to get an idea of how things work here. If you have further questions, please post them here. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Protectmediaonline, and welcome to Wikipedia.

I would advise strongly against trying to create a new article until you have more experience making edits to existing articles. Creating a new article is difficult, and involves many different skills. But if you are determined to try to create a new article, your first two steps should be:

1. Check whether Wikipedia already has an article on that personality, maybe with a difference spelling. If not,
2. Find several reliable published independent sources that include significant discussion of the personality (reports of interviews with the personality won't do, they won't count as independent). You will need to cite such sources to establish that the personality is notable enough to warrant an article.

If you can't manage these, stop. Any more time you spend will be wasted. Maproom (talk) 09:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict): ello, Donesh. Reading your first article is a good place to start. However, judging from your user name, I would like to make some particular points to you:

• Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any kind.
• If you are thinking of creating articles about any of your clients, please don't. Editing with a conflict of interest, while not forbidden, is strongly discouraged; paid editing even more so.
• If you do go ahead and create an article on a client, you must make the required declaration (see the link to "paid editing" above), and you are strongly advised to use the article wizard to create a draft and submit it for review. You need to understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article (or their associates) have said about them, and no interest at all in how they wish to be portrayed. An article in Wikipedia is not a "profile", does not belong to the subject, and may be edited by anybody at all in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. It should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the subject have published about them, not on what they or their associates think or say.
• I'm afraid that your user name is not acceptable, per the Username policy: user names which imply that an editor is editing on behalf of an organisation are not permitted. Please either change it (via WP:CHU) or abandon the account and create a new one with a name which is personal to you (it does not have to be your real name: I use my real name, but many editors do not).

If I am wrong in my assumption, and you are here to create articles about subjects where you do not have a conflict of interest, please accept my apologies. But you still need to do something about your username. --09:23, 13 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColinFine (talk • contribs)

Translation and new articles

Will you please translate these articles so the English wikipedia can have its own versions?

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E4%B8%96%E4%BB%A3%E3%83%AD%E3%83%9C%E3%83%83%E3%83%88%E6%88%A6%E8%A8%98%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AC

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8B%87%E8%80%85%E8%81%96%E6%88%A6%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%B3

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AC2

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%96%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E3%82%B5%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AC_%E6%96%B0%E7%AB%A0_%E3%82%A2%E3%82%B9%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A2

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E4%B8%96%E7%B4%80%E5%8B%87%E8%80%85%E5%A4%A7%E6%88%A6

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%87%8F%E5%AD%90%E8%B7%B3%E8%BA%8D%E3%83%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtarvin (talk • contribs) 00:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jtarvin and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Wikipedia:Translation to learn how such translations can be requested or done. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

FWIW, OP asked essentially the same question at OTRS. I have fielded some variety of this question dozens of times and typically give an answer almost exactly the same as that given by DES. In this particular case, the answer didn't sink in, after responding again and again and again (if you think I'm exaggerating the ticket has 15 back-and-forth emails). In frustration, I suggested that they try the teahouse. I have a lot of patience, but not this much. If anyone wants to try, more power to them but I'm done with this request.--S Philbrick(Talk) 11:40, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Upload article from draft

Hello!

I am a new user and I wrote my first article NEUSREL in Draft (Draft:Neusrel‎) and now I want to upload it.

On the help pages it says that there is a little arrow beside "View history" where the option to upload the article should be at. My Problem is, there is no arrow. It only says "Read, Edit source, View history, star"

I have searched alot but can´t find any resolution. Thank you very much, kind regards Crónk (talk) 09:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Crónk, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you're misunderstanding something: there is nothing to "upload". Your draft is already in Wikipedia, but it is in the Draft: space and not in the main article space. You could just move it to main space (though as a new user, you will need to make at least four more edits, anywhere in Wikipedia, in order to have access to the "move" facility). But I would strongly advise you instead to submit the draft for review. This may take a while - there is a backlog - but if it passes review, the reviewing editor will move it to the right place, and if it doesn't they will give you feedback as to how it can be improved. You submit it by inserting {{subst:submit}} (with the double curly brackets) anywhere in it - usually at the top. --ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

... whereas, if you move it to main space in its current state, it is likely to be deleted as promotional and lacking evidence that its subject is notable. Maproom (talk) 09:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

OK. First thank you very much for your nice help!

Why would it be deleted while for example this article about this tool is online? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SmartPLSCrónk (talk) 11:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia has an article on SmartPLS, but it has not been reviewed. I will soon consider proposing it for deletion. It's certainly not a good model to follow if you want to create an acceptable article (I see you've copied the grammatical error in its first sentence). Maproom (talk) 12:03, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

.. and the first two sources cited don't even mention "Neusrel", and therefore do nothing at all to establish that it's a notable subject. Maproom (talk) 12:14, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

How fast is speedy deletion?

I noticed an article on Brian Graden Media that was tagged for speedy deletion at 21:30 12 June and then deleted at 22.36, barely an hour later. (I hope I'm reading the times right!) Is this normal? I didn't think the original author, who was notified, had time to react. I have nothing to do with the article, but I was interested in the topic because of looking into Joseph Gordon Levitt, and became curious when I saw the article deleted. How fast is speedy deletion? I would have thought 1 hour is too fast, but I'm here to learn! Soniamaddox (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Soniamaddox: The time taken to delete a CSD tagged article can range from a couple of minutes to (probably) days - there's no set guideline on how long a CSD tag should remain before the article is deleted, but there are some for how quickly an article can be tagged with a CSD after creation. As with most things on Wikipedia, an article being deleted doesn't mean all the content has disappeared forever, as there is always places like Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion -- There'sNoTime ^{(to explain)} 13:03, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, the frame in the lead titled This page in a nutshell.
It says:

'without waiting for any discussion.'

CiaPan (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion is only for articles that are pretty much unredeemable. They are either legal problems (copyright, libel), so undeveloped no one can help the author improve them (A1, A7) or completely unsuitable (advert). So giving the original author time to respond isn't really a big deal. John from Idegon (talk) 13:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both! So if I want to see the original article, I have to request an undeletion? I don't have a good reason except I'm curious as to why it wasn't marked for improvement, exactly. Or even proposed for delettion (rather than speedy deletion). It's a proper topic (I was looking for it) so as an editor I would have asked for improvement to the article. But I need to see it to understand the actual reason for deletion. Thanks. Soniamaddox (talk) 13:16, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The reason for deletion was CSD A3: no meaningful content. It consisted of a link to the company's website, and nothing else. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for all your answers. I appreciate them (and I posted my previous reply before John of Idegon posted, sorry). So I understand it's not important to wait for an original author to react, even though they were notified of the intended speedy deletion. Soniamaddox (talk) 13:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Soniamaddox. I would disagree slightly with what John from Idego said above: Speedy deletion is only for articles that are pretty much unredeemable. In fact, articles tagged for A7 (No credible claim of significance) often can be improved, by finding and adding sources that make such a claim, and establish notability. It is more that experince has taught us that in practice, for particular kinds of articles, the creator often won't do this, and in many cases there are no sources to be found. So instead of taking a long time to look for sources, often to no avail, we delete and tell the creator to try again, explaining why the topic belongs here (or might belong at least). In many cases the creator does not try again. Similarly, many pages speedy deleted for being promotional are about subjects where a valid article could be written. But the page in front of us isn't that article, and won't contribute much to possible future valid article. And we don't want promotional pages to hang around, so we delete it. Besides, while many topics deleted as promotional could have a valid article, many more never will have: they just aren't notable.

If you simply want to see the content of a deleted page, ask here, or ask any admin in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to provide copies of deleted articles, or ask at WP:REFUND. But Refund is mostly for those who actually want the page restored on a long-term basis. I am one of those in that category, by the way, so I am one of those who could be asked. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Forgot to add signature

I forgot to add my signature to a saved edit. Can I go back and add it after the fact? Or is it important? LuKesi (talk) 15:31, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, LuKesi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes you can, and while not vital, it is a good idea. If you don't, an automated script (or "bot") or another editor may provide the information for you. The use and importance of sigs is described in Wikipedia:Signatures. Briefly, in discussions sigs help identify who wrote what and when. Sigs provide a way of contacting an editor, also. Thank you for your contributions. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

LuKesi I think there is a misunderstanding here. Signatures should be added only to talk pages, help desks and the Teahouse. Do not sign edits to articles. The system keeps the record of who added what in the history. The edit summary is to explain why you made the edit. Dbfirs 20:22, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! LuKesi (talk) 15:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Fixed a broken reference in one article, find and fix same broken reference in other articles?

Hi there, Sometimes I spend some time fixing references on a specific article. Then I realize the same references are used on other articles, and I feel like it would be great to propagate that change across other articles.

Are there any tools for doing this? Is there any goal to centralize citations on wikidata or similar?

Thanks

Cdiesh (talk) 13:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey Cdiesh. If an edit is exceedingly simple, like Take all instances of this hyperlink and replace it with this one, and involves usually something on the order of hundreds or thousands of instances, often a bot can be made to do it. Requests can be made at Wikipedia:Bot requests. But most of the time, if it involves several, or a few dozen pages, often it's easier to fix it manually. TimothyJosephWood 14:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Also, Cdiesh it is a bit unusual that the exact same citation will be present in more than two or three articles, althoguh it does happen. AWB can be used in the dozen article cases. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:21, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Well... I can't remember exactly what it was, but I do remember a pretty big shake up that happened I believe last year at WikiProject MilHist, where an entire I think it was a navy related site was going down completely, and something like tens of thousands of instances had to be archived and then have their links updated in a short amount of time. Good stuff. TimothyJosephWood 15:18, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

This was kind of the use case I saw also where certain entire URL domains will go down, so if I ever see a URL from domain X then I know it will need archiving. It might be interesting to try to write bots for this type of case. I have some programming chops, kind of just wondering whether I should use some existing tools or try and tackle making bots myself! Thanks for the pointers though, I may try and register for autowikibot to see how it goes Cdiesh (talk) 16:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

GA for Diamond Foundry

I would like to turn Diamond Foundry (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) into a Good Article. However, I have never used the process before and am totally unfamiliar with it. The article clears (IMO) 5 of the criteria (no images). But before I nominated it, could some experienced eyes take a look and see whether or not that would be good idea? Thanks. d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 17:15, 11 June 2017 (UTC) edited d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 20:11, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

It's a very short article, L3X1, which in my view means it clearly fails the "broad in its coverage" requirement. I would suggest nominating for Wikipedia:Did you know, but it's not new or long enough to meet the criteria for that either. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Cordless Larry. d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 17:40, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

More can obviously be said about some topics than others, L3X1, but take a look at my most recent GA nomination, Tour DuPont, to give you an idea of what passes. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, L3X1. I agree with Cordless Larry that the article is not yet up to GA standards. I read the New York Times article which is fairly lengthy and detailed. It has a lot of information that can be summarized in the article. You do not mention investors by name, except Leonardo DiCaprio. That information is in the NYT. You say that the diamonds are manufactured in San Francisco which seemed odd to me, but the NYT says San Carlos. My hunch is that the offices are in San Francisco but the factory is in San Carlos. Look into that. I suggest that you remove the references which are brief and clearly promotional, and focus on summarizing what the best and most detailed sources say about the company. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:35, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

This Google search verifies that the company is based in San Carlos, California. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen, I am now seeing a bunch of contradictory stuff as to what their location is. inc.com says San Francisco based, HQ in Santa Clara (Bay Area), and a design studio in downtown Los Angeles. d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 20:58, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

As a rough guide, the (I believe) shortest GA I've ever encountered on Wikipedia is Automonopoli at 689 words of text, and the shortest FA is Tropical Depression Ten (2005) at 622 words, and those are on as niche topics as could be imagined where it's genuinely likely to be true that there's nothing further to say on the matter. As a very general rule of thumb, if an article is shorter than around 500-1000 words, it's usually an indication that the article is likely either to be incomplete or to be non-notable (if the sources don't exist to write at least that much, that's typically an indication that the sources don't exist to confer notability). ‑ Iridescent 18:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The creation of an article

Hi, I'm new here and i would like to know if The creation of an article doesn't need an account ?? 21:25, 13 June 2017 (UTC)21:25

Hi IP user. You must have an account to create an article straight into mainspace, but anybody can create a draft. It can then be moved to mainspace by a registered user if it's suitable for inclusion. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:35, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello IP user. I would advise you to use the article wizard to create a draft, under the Articles for Creation project. Done that way, an account is not required. However, having an account has some benefits, and few costs (no financial costs). See Wikipedia:Why create an account? for further information about the benefits of using an account. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:49, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

When to use the "small" parameter for templates

This is just a minor style question. The Unreferenced section template includes a parameter "small" for when the template applies to something "smaller than a section." Does this include subsections? What about sub-sub-sections? Thanks! GreatBigDot (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi GreatBigDot, welcome to the Teahouse. It includes all sections. Subsections, sub-sub-sections and so on are still sections. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

So I shouldn't use the "small" parameter then? GreatBigDot (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

GreatBigDot, The small parameter is for use when the template applies to something within a section, but not all of the section. In particular, when a table or graphic has no cited sources, and should have. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:24, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks a ton! GreatBigDot (talk) 22:29, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

The feature to replace the word "section" was removed 19 January and I have removed it from the documentation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

how to publish sandbox article live

I have created an article in sandbox, how to make it live ?

Mark95036 (talk) 22:13, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mark95036. I have marked User:Mark95036/sandbox as a draft, which added a blue submit button to the upper area of the page. However, if you were to submit it now, it would surely be rejected. You would first need to find and add Independent, published, reliable sources that establish the notability of the subject (In the special sense in which Wikipedia uses that term). Currently no sources are cited in the draft at all.

Please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule, Your First Article, and our guideline on the notability of organizations. If you then decide to go ahead, please also read Referencing for Beginners.

If you have further questions, feel free to ask them here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:36, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

How do I change the cascade protection lock icon?

Note: For background, see this discussion.

Hi! Does someone here know how to change the color of the cascade protection lock icon? If so, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 04:09, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Noah Kastin I believe what you need to do is make the change at Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content, and specifically:

<td class="mbox-image">[[Image:Padlock-goldturquoise.svg|40px]]</td>

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, Fuhghettaboutit!

Unfortunately, I can't make the proposed change, due to the fact that Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content is fully protected. Can you make the change for me?

I also noticed that both Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items and Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content seem to share the gold lock icon. I also noticed that, while Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content states that it has the WP:CASC shortcut, this redirects to Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items, which also claims to have the WP:CASC shortcut. Does this affect where the lock icon should be updated?

In addition, should the turquoise lock be added to Wikipedia:Protection policy and updated at Wikipedia:Protection policy/Padlocks? Sub-post added at 03:04, 11 June 2017 (UTC) by Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋).

Thanks for the help!

Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:50, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Unless I should not make these changes, I will proceed to make all of these changes, except for the one to Wikipedia:Cascade-protected items/content, which I will ask an administrator to do, as the page is fully protected. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

what to do if consistant speedy deletion on my user page?

what to do if consistant speedy deletion on my user page?(Supriyapejavar (talk) 00:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Supriyapejavar: You have a greater problem, namely that you are misusing multiple accounts to evade your block and copying others' userpages without the required attribution. You have got to realize that Wikipedia is not for promoting you or your app.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: User:Kailash29792 is not a blocked or banned user, is a copyright problem. SA 13 Bro (talk) 01:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@SA 13 Bro: Kailash29792 is not, but Supriyapejavar (talk · contribs) is a blatantly obvious sockpuppet of N R Pavan Kumar (talk · contribs). There's a pending SPI.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I have put the tag at the userpage. SA 13 Bro (talk) 01:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Username Change

Someone invited me to ask question here so I want to ask one question. Is is unable to change the username or what ? I searched in preference menu but couldn't find any option to change my username. Please answer soon.-KW Star 13:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Usernames have to be changed by a renamer - you can kick the request off at WP:CHU. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:51, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Yunshui There is no option to request username change there. So I requested a renamer to change my username.--KW Star 02:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

No, that's the page you need to read before making the request. The various venues for actually making the request are listed quite clearly in the last section of the page. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:22, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help.KW Star 03:30, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Google Search

Why some of the articles dont appear in google search even when we enter their exact name ?—Big Hero 03:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason is explained at #Google search of Wiki article above, and at Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#Indexing of articles ("mainspace"). --David Biddulph (talk) 04:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your answer.—Big Hero 04:12, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Ariana Grande manchester.

Vinnylospo (talk) 04:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)Hi, I tried to add a link to the manchester bombing article to the Ariana Grande template. However, when I came back, it wasn't there. Is there a problem with it? If not, then why am I not allowed to add it? I mean I know it's a sad event, but she is part of the bombing story.Vinnylospo (talk) 04:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you please give us a link to the relevant template and to the relevant edit? I see nothing relevant at Special:Contributions/Vinnylospo, so perhaps you didn't save your edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 04:15, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Vinnylospo. If you look at the discussions on the talk page for the template, Template talk:Ariana Grande, you'll see that the consensus is not to include the bombing article in the template. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 04:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

How do you show WP code in plain text?

For example, if I wanted to describe how to add a reference how would a prevent the text from becoming a normal reference but keep it as it would appear in the source? So in such a way that does not appear as it appeared just now but for it to literally be < r e f > w w w . g o o g l e . c o m < / r e f > (without the spaces). Edward1612 (talk) 07:28, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

You use "nowiki" tags, like this: <ref>www.google.com</ref>. Maproom (talk) 07:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Which, if you are using the "enhanced editing toolbar" is the "W with a red circle and strikethrough" button on the "advanced" tab - Arjayay (talk) 08:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Thanks a lot Edward1612 (talk) 06:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

New to Wiki and confused

I am a newbie to trying to use the Talk page, but seem to be doing it wrong. I submitted an article and did get a reply, to which I tried to reply, but I have not had an answer since, and I do not know if I did the Talk page correctly.

Could someone please give me a very short example of what the text on the Talk page should look like? How do I know it is going to the correct user? I cannot see anywhere what the talk page intro should be like.

My reply was to @JamesBWatson, but I do not know if he had received it or not.

Ilseolive (talk) 08:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I see the message that you posted to JamesBWatson; I believe the only thing that needs to be changed is that the talkback template should be placed on his user talk page, not yours. Currently his talk page is protected from editing, but there is a link to an alternative that he placed at the top of the page. That said, since JamesBWatson posted on your page, he is likely following it in his watchlist and so you don't need to post a talkback on his page. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@Ilseolive: You can also use {{ping|JamesBWatson}} to get his attention on any talk page. It will notify him when you use it, no matter which talk page it's used on. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:53, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Why has the article I've been working on been deleted?

Having worked on this for 6 months, I can't believe RickinBaltimore deleted it. From what I can see he's based this on a query that had already been raised and resolved months ago - namely that he believes that it is infringing copyright. If he'd bothered to read the history he'd know this already. I am the owner of the original content, and as advised, I added the necessary attribution to the original blog, and the request to delete was revoked, now he comes along and deletes it anyway? How does this make any sense?

I've had some incredibly useful advice from DES amongst others, that I am planning to attend to this summer (I'm a teacher and these months of the year are too hectic to devote any time to this), now I cannot. MisterMcHugh (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mistermchugh, and welcome to the Teahouse. I agree, it looks like the deletion was made in error. The license is clearly stated on the source website. I expect RickinBaltimore to return the page. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 10:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

To be fair to Rick, the text of the licence is pretty hard to locate by eye - it took me a few minutes to find the licencing statement. I've restored the draft, as the text is clearly CC-BY-SA 3.0. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both, this is a huge relief! Is there a way to avoid this all happening again, or am I subject to the next person who wants to drag all this up again? Is there no expectation that people review the history before deleting articles? The accusation of copyright infringement was right up there in plain sight.

MisterMcHugh (talk) 11:46, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything you could have done, Mistermchugh, since this mistake wasn't on you. None of us is perfect and even admins make mistakes sometimes. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:21, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

@MisterMcHugh: I'm not an expert here, but possibly the {{CC-notice}} template might resolve the problem... --CiaPan (talk) 12:47, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
As fas as I can see, the template can be placed in the first line of a References section (see e.g. Hector Thomas Wood or Raffaele Martelli). --CiaPan (talk)

Thanks for the advice, @CiaPan I've updated the References section as you've advised. Also @Yunshui I've reformatted the text on my original blog post http://doverdlc.blogspot.sg/2014/04/what-is-dlc-what-does-dlc-do.html to make the text easier to find. MisterMcHugh (talk) 13:28, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

That will help - though for the record, the place we're most likely to look for a CC-BY-SA template is in the footer of the page, rather than at the end of a post. You can use the codes provided at [1] to create a CC-BY-SA icon in HTML, which also draws the eye. Yunshui ^雲_水 13:49, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks @Yunshui updated now. MisterMcHugh (talk) 07:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't believe it, now @User:Legacypac wants to delete my draft (Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Digital Literacy Coach)? What is it with these deletion happy Wikipedians, is there no respect for the work that has gone into articles like this? Am I to face a constant torrent of Wikipedians who are keen to eradicate my work? Is there no way to curtail this flagrant disregard for the work and time of others? MisterMcHugh (talk) 03:29, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm working a long list of declined older Article for Creation submissions. You can see the speedy deletions I've already put through this month here User:Legacypac/CSD_log Until you work in the backrooms you have no idea the garbage that piles up to be deleted. I think we resolved your issue for now. I'd encourage editing some existing articles first. Creating acceptable pages from scratch is a hard job - like jumping into calculus before learning algebra. Legacypac (talk) 07:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

How to improve an article prior to submission (Wear it Purple Day)

Hello,

I'm drafting this article, and I'd like to know of any suggestions prior to submitting it for possible approval. I think I'll need to remove the category for the other "Wear it Purple Days" at the very end, and make that into a separate article.

But I'm not sure how much more to add, or what would be of most benefit! (please be gentle!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Wear_it_Purple_Day

Thank you for your time.

SunnyBoi (talk) 04:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

A Wikipedia article should start by making it clear what it's about. This draft lists, near the end, eight other "Wear it Purple Day"s; but it's about an annual event in Australia. So "Australia" should be specified in the first sentence. Maproom (talk) 07:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

PW reset without email

I appear to have forgotten my password, or at least I'm afraid of trying to guess it again for fear of being locked out. Unfortunately, I'm now realizing that the email address I had for this account was my Verizon one. As you may or may not know, Verizon has recently shut down its email service, so that email address no longer exists. And I'm unable to change my account email address without verifying my password. Thus, I'm locked in a loop where I can reset neither my email address nor my password. Suggestions? Tfocker4 (talk) 01:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Tfocker4, and welcome to ther Teahouse. Start a new account, and redirect the user page of your previous account to the new one. Save the new PW in a password manager or some other secure location, to avoid the problem in future. I am afraid that without access to the email saved with the account, there is no way to do a password reset. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Does anyone know how many times I can try my password before I get locked out? Tfocker4 (talk) 02:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Tfocker4. You are logged in properly now, so I am not sure what the problem is. Just do whatever you did to log in. You must have used the right password. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't know whether it still applies but it appears from https://www.verizon.com/support/residential/email/migrations.htm that Verizon customers can keep their email address at AOL. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

creating articles

This is umptheen time trying to ask this. Should I create an English article by translating a German article. Is Wikipedia considered a reliable source? User-duck (talk) 00:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, User-duck. You can translate articles from other language Wikipedias into English, but they must comply with our policies and guidelines. One Wikipedia article is not a reliable source for use in another Wikipedia article. Please read WP:TRANSLATE. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:11, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, User-duck. What Cullen says is correct. To spell it out, you are welcome to make such translations, but the final article requires citations to reliable sources just as if it had been created here from a blank start. The fact that it came from the de wikipedia (or any other) in no way changes the required sources. Different Wikipedia editions have different policies and customs, and what is fully acceptable in one may not be in another. If the source article did not contain needed sources (by the standards of the en-Wikipedia), they must be added here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I realize I need to include citations and I consider the ones in the German article reliable.

Thank you, I realize I need to include citations and I consider the ones in the German article reliable.User-duck (talk) 01:37, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

That is fine, User-duc. In the past, a number of translated articles came with very few citations. The most recent and extreme case in point is Villa Di Poggio a Caiano (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Take a look at the history if you care to. Do read WP:TRANSLATE if you haven't already, as suggested above. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

That's an excellent example of why we should discourage machine translation, DESiegel, if nothing else. I think there may be a copyright problem there too – I've posted on the talk-page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

My page proposed to deletion

Hello, my page is proposed to deletion. The problem was in references. But I got extralinks with information from science journals about this person. please help meBairakimov (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Bairakimov, and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you mean Dyusembaev Anuar (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). First of all, it is not your page (except in the sense that you wrote the initial version). It is Wikipedia's article, and as described in WP:OWN you do not own or control it.

Dyusembaev Anuar is not currently proposed or nominated for deletion, but it has some significant problems. The only sources now cited are two papers written by Anuar himself. A Wikipedia article needs sources that are independent of the subject, have been published, and are reliable. Please read Your First Article and Wikipedia's Golden Rule.

The article needs to better explain what it is that Anuar is known for; what he has done that makes him more than an ordinary professor of mathematics. It needs to show that other people have written about him. It needs to establish his notability. If this is not done, the article will probably be deleted sooner or later. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:08, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Bairakimov, I think that page is still at risk of deletion. I'm afraid that the rather low level of citation of his published work will probably be enough to demonstrate that he doesn't meet our notability requirements for academics. Would you like it to be moved to draft space, where you could develop it further without that risk? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:16, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Upload Denial Due to Promotion and COI

Hi Teahouse!I have been doing some extensive research on the sport betting industry/ gambling industry. I have identified many sport betting companies on Wikipedia that have helped me greatly with my research however, I noticed there was no page on Playtech BGT Sports. Therefor I have attempted to create my own article to help other researchers out. (It is the first timeI am doing this) Shortly after I wrote a simple overview of Playtech BGT Sports I received a message that it was promotional. Could you please assist me in finding out what information leads to such an assumption? I specifically used reliable sources and online articles that have not been written by the company itself. I think many people would benefit from this article. Here is the exact URL of the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playtech_BGT_Sports — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thombinder (talk • contribs) 07:46, 9 June 2017 (UTC) I can also provide yopu with my email adress if you would rather discuss it there. Thombinder (talk) 12:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Note to hosts that as well as the now-deleted Playtech BGT Sports, we also have a draft article at Draft:Playtech BGT Sports, written by a paid editor. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thombinder, since Playtech BGT Sports has now been deleted a number of times, can I suggest that you work on the draft version instead. When you're happy with it, you can submit it for review. Drafts are usually much safer from deletion than live articles. I can't see the content of the deleted article as I am not an administrator, but I suggest reading Wikipedia:Neutral point of view for general advice on avoiding promotional language. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!! Thombinder (talk) 13:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Order for career in a BLP

In Qian Tang which I recently approved through the AfC process, the author of the article originally listed the subject's career in reverse chronological order, with the most recent position first. In my cleanup before approval I changed the order to be chronological. The author has since changed it back. I would like to direct them to the relevant guideline, but I can't find the relevant reference in MOS. Can someone point me in the right direction? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Curb Safe Charmer. Wikipedia:Narrative flow says Readers expect biographical details of a subject's life to be laid out in roughly chronological order.. However that is an essay, not a guideline. I cna't find anything in the MOS about this, although it is the almost invariable format. Perhaps a question at the Biography project would help? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:58, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hey Curb Safe Charmer. I believe DES is correct, and although this does not appear to have been officially codified in our policies or guidelines, it is clear or near universal practice to follow roughly a chronological order without a compelling editorial reason for doing otherwise, such as a section with an otherwise prescribed position according to MOS:LAYOUT. In fact, it is so universal that if you wanted to open a discussion on the matter at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies, I expect you wouldn't have difficulty finding strong consensus on the issue. TimothyJosephWood 19:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both, that's helpful. I have explained the convention on the editor's talk page and will restore the article to using chronological order. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

• Curb Safe Charmer, while I agree with others that chronological order should be preferred in general as well as in your example, there are some exceptions. For instance, in {{infobox politician}} the convention is to list the positions in reverse chronological order, because the reader presumably wants to know the current position of the politician before its previous career. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Save lost.

After a lot of hard work and changes the page Shah Jalal got back to it's previous form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Jalal how can I restore my changes? Please help. SpeakTruth! (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, SpeakTruth!. If you look at the history of Shah Jalal, you will see that User:Kashmiri reverted your edits, with the edit summary "Please do not use honorifics. Please do not add unconfirmed/unsourced information." The information you added is still there in the history, and could easily be recovered. However, for you to add the information again would be edit warring, which is regarded as disruptive. What you should do is open a discussion with Kashmiri and any other interested users on the talk page Talk:Shah Jalal. But please bear in mind the principle that everything in Wikipedia should be verifiable - you removed information which contained references, and replaced it with different information without references. --ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

SpeakTruth!: same reasons as in my earlier revert of your edits to Lal Shahbaz Qalandar – see my edit summary: [2]. — kashmiri ^TALK 07:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

• @SpeakTruth: If by chance you did not understand what the above posters meant by "page history", "edit summary" etc., reading Help:Page history could help. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 14:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Talk Page Headers?

I have been trying to use a header for my talk page to make it seem less boring. When I try to add one, nothing changes, any suggestions or help?

DolotheDolphin (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello McStyx anfd welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know what kind of header you have in mind. I don't see any edit in which you added any sort of header to User talk:McStyx. Could you explain a bit more what saort of header you wanted to add, and how you attempted to add it? Perhaps then I or someone here could be of more help. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I have a talk page header, at User:DESiegel/TPHdr. I am not sure if that is the sort of thing you have in mind, however. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@McStyx: If you mean {{User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis}} in [3] then it's a broken attempt to request a bot to archive the page. It isn't meant to display anything, even if it was formatted correctly. See {{User Talk Pages}} for some of the possibilities to display a header. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:40, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, I was looking at Headers and Archive Bots, but more for headers. I don't believe I need an archiver yet. Thank you!

McStyx 14:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by McStyx (talk • contribs)

What is a reference ?

Each article has many references at bottom. What does these mean ?Wholecube (talk) 07:36, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Wholecube. References give the sources of information in articles. See more at Help:Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:21, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

ThanksWholecube (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

A cluebot is hampering my edits , what can I do?

Please visit my talkpage.I edited the topic Bangladesh with good faith. But a cluebot took it as vandalism.It also threatens to block me . I need help. The bot is not intelligent enough to understand that my edit was good. help please. Wholecube (talk) 05:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Wholecube. I agree that your edit was not vandalism, but on the other hand, you did not provide a reference for your claim that "bhat" is rice in Bengali. I believe you, but our policy on Verifiability indicates that you should provide a reference. Please take a look at the references in our articles Panta bhat, about a Bengali rice dish. Perhaps one of those references can also be used in Bangladesh, if it verifies the meaning of the word. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@Wholecube: This dictionary doesn't seem to use "bhat" as "rice". I can find "bhāta" (ভাত), but that's as close as I can get. This text seems to indicate "bhat" is a prepared food, but it never says what it is very clearly. Here is a search to find all instances of "bhat" in the text. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

oh thanks. I provided the information on my personal experience as I am Bangladeshi.I knew that Bhat is the correct Bangla word for [white rice]] in Bangladesh.Now should I edit it with reference ? I am scared if the bot blocks my accountWholecube (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Wholecube. The issue is that personal knowledge is never acceptable in Wikipedia, unless it is supported by published sources: not yours, not mine, not Jimmy Wales's. Please see Referencing for beginners, and Identifying reliable sources.

As for getting blocked: don't worry. A bot can't block you, it would take a (human) admin, who would look into the case before doing so. It's not clear why ClueBot thought your edit was vandalism, but I'm sure that not giving an edit summary was one factor. If you look at User:ClueBot NG, the maintainers of the bot ask people to report false positives - cases where the Bot wrongly marks an edit as vandalism - so that it will improve its algorithm : I have just made that report to them on your behalf. --ColinFine (talk) 10:32, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very muchWholecube (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Should I petition to move early or wait for auto-confirmation.

Created my first article, which was great until I noticed that I omitted the standard period following v in Blumenthal v Trump. Should I wait two more days to fix it or petition someone with more rights to rename the page? Dakleman (talk) 16:38, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

FYI — it will be at least 60 days before any press-worthy deadlines in the case happen, so in one sense this is not urgent. Dakleman (talk) 16:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Dakleman,  Done TimothyJosephWood 16:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks and Thanked. Dakleman (talk) 16:45, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Wiki is deleting an article I wrote

I gave the referenced website Wiki said I took the bio from the bio to use in the first place to put on their site. I am the original BIO writer and no wiki thinks I copywriter it to put on the page: Matthew Romeo

can someone please help me get this page up and running. Thank You!

Itsmatthewromeo (talk) 15:46, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The way to address your copyright violation problem is explained in the links from the warning on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Note also that a talent agency is unlikely to be a good source for a Wikipedia article about one of their clients, regardless of copyright concerns. The bulk of any article should be based on what independent sources say about the topic. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:59, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Itsmatthewromeo. I looked at the text of the deleted article Matthew Romeo. Even if there were no copyright issue, it is filled with promotional language and tone, and empty of any citations to Independent published reliable sources. The former text would need to be discarded, and a completely fresh start made, if there is to be an article about Matthew Romeo.

Also, this appears to be an autobiography. Those are strongly discouraged as you can see at the linked page. If you do proceed, please use the article wizard to generate a Draft under the Articles for Creation project. And please openly disclose your connection to the subject, and be very careful to follow all the suggestions at our conflict of interest guideline and the autobiography guideline linked above. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh note that deletons are not automatic, nor made by "wiki" but by a specific volunteer admin. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

First time inserting citations etc. on first article (page name: Khaled Mahdi)

Hello @Shadowowl! I hope I'm doing this right, but I wanted to stop in and let you know that I've tried to make the appropriate corrections on my own re. citations/footnotes/references and have tried to resubmit my article again! I confess I am finding the whole process overwhelming (and I am still very confused by how to smoothly/correctly insert the right type of citations or footnotes, etc.), but I hope you'll find I did it alright!

If not, I would sincerely be grateful for any helpful pointers you have for a beginner, as I'd really like to get the page up and out there, and will do my best to do it right.

Thank you for taking the time to reach out and invite me to comment on here, I really hope I can start to make sense of how to use Wikipedia without it being too difficult or overwhelming. Lamia Bahy (talk) 18:07, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The feedaback which you received in the box at the head of the draft, and on your user talk page, said: "The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners". The words in blue within that text on both pages are wikilinks to further advice. It was not wise for you to resubmit your draft without having read those links and acted in accordance with the advice. Start off by reading Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Cleaning up article "Maryann Keller"

Hello,

I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm trying to get help cleaning up this article. I was referred to the Tea House by the Wikimedia foundation as a place to get an issue resolved. I appreciate anyone's help with this...

Long story short... I work for the subject, and therefore I'm prohibited from making edits to the article, but I'm trying to get the issue resolved as it could be a problem for our firm if people view the Wikipedia page which discounts certain facts. We believe a third-party contractor for our firm(now terminated) created the page, and subsequently may have hired a paid Wiki-editor, and therefore caused this issue. Since the subject is notable, Wikipedia will not delete the article and instead shows a neutrality statement - a disappointment for all parties. So, while the article is factually accurate, it doesn't appear accurate, and this is problematic for us.

From what I learned from Wikimedia's legal team, I need to invite some editors to review the page and make edits, and I'm looking for guidance on how to do that. Should I contact Wiki-editors that have edited automotive industry articles(subject's industry)? Or should I contact Wiki-admins instead? Any simple help would be super appreciated. Thank you. wikilongislandguy (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

For reference: Draft:Maryann Keller (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:04, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I take it this is about Draft:Maryann Keller? By using the articles fore creartion process, you are sub,mitting yoiur edits for review by experienced editors. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:14, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I apologize, no, the draft was rejected and must stay rejected as I'm partial party and cannot submit articles or edits. My question applies to the live article which was created after. I explained the situation in detail on page the Talk Page of the live article. (Talk:Maryann Keller). Thank you for your help!wikicarsandtrucks (talk) 00:20, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Convenience link: Maryann Keller (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Maproom (talk) 07:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I thought DES gave it already... :) CiaPan (talk) 19:50, 14 June 2017 (UTC)