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If a subject is new, less then a year old, how do I get the subject through the review process?

Okay, so the subject that I submitted for review was decline because of lack of references. The Eternal Cup Series | Pro Jiu Jitsu Tour is a hot buzz in the Jiu Jitsu niche, but it is less then a year as an organisation. Outside of the organisation website there is very little out there. I get that this is too new of a subject for wiki, but how is it that movies that haven't been released get a wiki page with very little references? In a nut shell, how do I get the subject through the review process even though it is a fairly new entity? Enso12345 (talk) 16:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

• @Enso12345: You probably don't. If, as you say, Outside of the organisation website there is very little out there, this means the subject is not "notable" in the Wikipedia meaning of the term, and nothing can be done to salvage it (at least for now, it may become notable later). It is the same for every subject: if you see other pages that have no good references (see WP:GNG for details), and nothing can be found, you are welcome to nominate those pages for deletion (or just tell us which pages they are, and I can do that). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

How to edit the subtittle of an artice

Good Day How can i insert or edit on the sub tittle of an existing article or to insert my own article on Wiki platform PERISH (talk) 13:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

To make an article, first see WP:Your First Article. To insert a subtitle, use the format given to you under headings- second level heading should do. That's two uses of the = key, the text, and two more =. TomBarker23 (talk) 13:47, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi PERISH, welcome to the Teahouse. If you mean the text displayed below the page name in some features then see Wikipedia:FAQ/Editing#How do I edit mobile subtitles? PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Confusion of wikipedia tour

So I'm doing the Wikipedia tour and I've got to the user page and now nothing happens. Help? Flappy132 (talk) 17:27, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Would an article I intend to created count as paid editing?

My mother is a singer in the Portsmouth Choral Union and has asked me to help her create a Wikipedia page about it (she tells me what to write, I make it Wikipedia-friendly) but I'm not sure whether this is allowed. Note I volunteered to help her and she is not rewarding me in any way. I probably don't need to ask this but is this allowed? TomBarker23 (talk) 12:34, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@TomBarker23: Hello and welcome. It is not paid editing if you are a volunteer, but it is a conflict of interest. Please read WP:COI for more information on what to do; I would suggest using Articles for Creation to draft and submit the article for review. You will need independent reliable sources (WP:RS) that indicate notability; Wikipedia is not social media for groups to have pages. If you just want to tell the world about this group, you will need to use actual social media. 331dot (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not trying to make Wikipedia into a social media site (I can't stand social media anyway) but I will follow your advice. TomBarker23 (talk) 13:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, TomBarker23. Please bear in mind that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject (or anybody associated with it) says about it, and no interest at all in how it wishes to be portrayed. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject whatever have chosen to publish about it, in reliable places. Once you have found several such independent sources, you will need to forget every single thing you know about the PCU, and write only from what those sources say. Do you see why editing with a COI might be difficult? I notice that among the useful resource that 331dot linked to, they did not include your first article: I would start there, if I were you. --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@ColinFine:I did forget that one. Thanks 331dot (talk) 17:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Teahouse Folks...`

I prefer Earl Grey, hot, and that's long before Captain Picard.

That said, I wrote my first full Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Immervision) this autumn and have been having a tough time getting it approved. A wee bit of background: I make my living as a graphic designer, but am a long-time amateur astronomer. As such I've tinkered with lenses, mirrors and anything else a great home-made telescope needs to be usable. I'm also a keen meteor observer and have seen through out the years many different setups used by astrophotographers to capture time-exposure images. One way is with a high-quality convex mirrors with a camera mounted atop. OK, I'll shorten this... Immervision, as I discovered makes an amazing little camera that can shoot in 360° without the distortion that a regular mirror/camera setup crates, so that objects on the edges are crisp and not distorted. This is PERFECT for spotting meteors in longer time exposures and helps in fining the point of origin and hence the actual meteor stream any given meteor may originate from. I discovered them on WIKIPEDIA while researching 360° lenses and an article on the panomorph lens was found.

That's my motivation, and how I learned of this company. I also found that Immervision had been covered in the press and had created lenses that other manufacturers were incorporating into their products. Namely the panomorph lens (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panomorph). I've been contributing to Wikipedia for years, but only small edits, typos and minor factual corrections. I felt it was time to write my first full contribution. I am not an employee of Immervision nor do I hold any shares or interest in this company.

THE PROBLEM: My initial submission was declined for lack of notability, and looking back I can agree that I was a bit shy on the third-party independent sources... this, I thought was corrected in my second submission, but apparently not. I poured several hours into researching additional journalistic sources and associated coverage and did indeed find many, which I proceeded to add to my third draft, but because I was using visual editing these references showed up as links in the text and not as footnotes. I have since corrected this but did not resubmit yet as I wanted to see if I could find a few more third-party independent sources as footnotes.

On November 1st I received a message that suggested that the article was promotional, something that had never been mentioned previously when it was declined. I went to great pains to ensure that the tone and style were neutral.

So after boring you with this very long preamble, can I get any opinions on how the article is biased or might have promotional tone? I’m eager to correct this and understand he nuances which affect the perception.

Many Thanks! Jacques Jacquesdav (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

• No opinion on the notability, but the "promotional" comment was left by SwisterTwister (ping). I admit it looks strange to me, because even if one could consider the draft's content promotional, it certainly is not that promotional. I am not sure it deserves a Twinkle notice, and I am pretty sure it does not deserve a level 2 warning right off the bat ({{uw-advert2}} instead of {{uw-advert1}}). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 15:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Tigraan. I share your sentiments, and was a bit taken aback by the labelling of my submission as promotional. I considered it anything but after having taken great pains to write it in a neutral tone. I'm simply asking for direction and precision as to which sections, phrases or words seemed to suggest a promotional tone. Jacques Jacquesdav (talk) 17:33, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

How to link an article from non-English wiki?

e.g. not Atalanta (schooner), but Atalanta D1gggg (talk) 16:43, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

• @D1gggg: I am not sure what your question is, since you did manage to link a de-wp article it in your question here on en-wp; the other way around is quite similar, just link [[:en:page to be linked on en-wp]]. The long answer is at Help:Interwiki linking.

Please also keep in mind that interwiki links are subject to the Wikipedia:External links guideline, so they are rarely appropriate in the body of articles. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 17:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

I had couple links removed from List of forestry universities and colleges now I wounder if I should add missing ships in Template:Surviving ocean going ships

Still don't understand why language of the page can decide topics D1gggg (talk) 17:39, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@D1gggg: I think you should use Template:Interlanguage link. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Probably what I want, thanks! D1gggg (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

"Human yeet"

When the search term "pneumonic plague" is entered in WP, the title that pops up is "Pneumonic Plague human yeet". This is an error in WP, not in this article, possibly due to vandalism. What can be done?-- Quisqualis (talk) 17:56, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Quisqualis - That was vandalism at Wikidata - I have changed the description to "Severe lung infection" and removed some vandalized alternative names. - Arjayay (talk) 18:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Having found the vandalism, on January 13 2017, I have reverted the description to "Human disease" - which is what it was before the vandalism. - Arjayay (talk) 18:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Arjayay.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Looking at outdated links in citations

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I am looking at the citation links for the article titled Dakota, Minnesota and Eastern Railroad, and after seeing several links that point to missing info, or info not found, I thought I would try to add some updated links. For example, I am trying to add an updated link for the Wall Street Journal citation Feb. 21, 2002 by Daniel Machalaba... when I click edit, and find the citation, click on that, it turns the entire section into a template and I am unable to edit the single citation. Can anyone help? I would like to contribute further with even more updates to reduce the amount of outdated citation links, but at the moment I am stumped as to how to proceed. Please advise. Much appreciated, Teddy.bear307 (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Teddy.bear307. The citations are not found in the References section; rather, they are found in the article itself, next to the text they are supporting. To edit a citation, you would need to edit the section where it is located. For example, if you wish to modify citation 2 in the Reference article, you would need to edit the "Etymology and meanings" section. For more information, you can check Help:Referencing for beginners. Hope this helps! –FlyingAce^✈hello 18:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you FlyingAce :) That makes much more sense. I will read that help page and give your instructions a try.

Have an awesome weekend, Teddy.bear307 (talk) 19:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

My page seems to have disappeared

Hi,

A page that I hadn't really looked at the much seems to have disappeared. What could have caused this and is it possible to get the page back?Frank Carlin (talk) 10:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Frank Carlin. Assuming you mean Inbenta, it looks like it was deleted because it was unambiguously promotional, and did not credibly indicate why the subject was potentially significant enough to warrant an encyclopedia article. GMG^talk 10:08, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Is there any way to get the article back and edit it? Or maybe to request someone else look at it?Frank Carlin (talk) 10:47, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Frank Carlin. Articles deleted under WP:G11 as unambiguously promotional are overall unlikely to be restored, since this criteria means that there was basically nothing in the article that wasn't overtly promotional, and it would have needed to be essentially completely rewritten to comply with our policies on neutrality and promotionalism. You may want to review our tutorial on writing your first article, or consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure. If you would like to have another go at it, you should probably could consider using the Article Wizard and submitting it for our Articles for Creation project, where it can be reviewed by an experienced volunteer who can offer feedback prior to publishing. GMG^talk 10:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

How would I get the content back to review? Frank Carlin (talk) 10:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Frank Carlin, the first step would be to talk with User:DGG, who was the last person to delete the article. GMG^talk 10:58, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

How do I contact this person? Frank Carlin (talk) 11:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Frank Carlin, Probably start with their user talk page, or wait for them to respond here. But it looks like they've been offline for about six hours now. If I'm not mistaken, I believe they were somewhere on the east coast of the US, and it's still fairly early there. GMG^talk 11:24, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

@Frank Carlin: I emailed you the latest version.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:51, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank for your inviting me here

I am very glad to come here to say thank for your concerning on my page.. God bless you..--Calvin500 (talk) 03:26, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Do you know? - How the singing Chipmunks are called?

Alvin and The Chipmunks! The Names, alvin simon and Theodore AdwenKnowItAll (talk) 21:00, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey there, mind telling us what exactly are you trying to explain? If you want that info to be posted in Alvin and The Chipmunks, it’s already there. SoaPuffball (talk) 08:44, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Do my pages deleted?

Yes, users deleted my pages. Do I think I really hate them AdwenKnowItAll (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

The article "Alvin and the Chipmunks discography" lists their albums, and most of the albums are each articles. David notMD (talk) 09:19, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Assistance with disturbance at article after copy edit

Dear Tea House hosts, Kunhimangalamis a small Indian village. Its sections were blanked and quite nasty comments inserted. I have never dealt with this sort of thing before. I have reverted just once to the last stable version (happens to be mine). I may need some back up or advice on where to seek assistance. Many thanks, and kind regards, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 11:35, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

• The user who blanked the section has been blocked for 31h for vandalism, so there is not much to be done here. (You can know who it was by looking at the Page history.) If you ever encounter such issues before, the whole advice is at WP:RVAN; the short version is as such: if it is indeed vandalism (i.e. bad faith editing with the sole purpose of trashing the page), revert the offending content (just as you have done), warn the vandal (escalating the warnings as needed) if they did not yet receive a final warning, and if they did report them at WP:AIV. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:50, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Tigraan for your helpful reply, and have a good day, Myrtle. Myrtlegroggins (talk) 19:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Cleanup Questions

Hello. I am a very new editor called LightPirate which wants to help with correcting mistakes, sourcing, spelling and grammar and Manual of Style corrections. What are easy ways to check if something is original research or is not written in NPOV? Also should all information be able to be sourced on Wikipedia? Thanks! LightPirate (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello LightPirate. Welcome to the Teahouse. I am not a host here but I may be able to help a little. I have a few suggestions. One would be to have some fun doing the The Wikipedia Adventure which has a number of games to get you up to speed. After that, perhaps have a read through the Manual of Style. It tells you what most editors do in many different circumstances. Then, join the Wikipedia Guild of Copy Editors. That is a group of friendly funky (if detailed oriented) dudes who like to volunteer to do what you like to do, that is, "copyedit". The Guild has a tab at the top of the main page called "How to copy edit". You could read that too. Don't be afraid to have a little go because whatever you do can be reverted. I have found over the years that one of the most important things is to make sure the comment you leave when you make an edit is detailed enough for other people to see that what you are changing is being done in good faith. I hope that helps and enjoy! (Sorry for butting in kind Teahouse host) Myrtlegroggins (talk) 20:01, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I will also join in. If you are in fact very new, consider copying the suspect text and its citation(s) to your sandbox. Then, you can go to the refs to see if in fact the text is supported, change/delete text as needed, etc. Once you are happy with the way it looks in Sandboc, copy it back to the article, replacing the original. Lastly, at the bottom is Edit summary. Wise to leave a short explanation for what you did. You can click on View history at the top to see what explanations look like. David notMD (talk) 01:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Asking fo rhelp to revert my page NIdeas_Creations_and_Productions_Pvt_Ltd

Dear Sir Definitely I need your help to correct my NIdeas_Creations_and_Productions_Pvt_Ltd. I requested you several times don't delete this page. If you need any correction or alternation please do it. This is not an advertisement. May be I am a learner I don't know the proper rules to create a page. But you can definitely correct it as per your rules. I request you once again please help me. So that I can get back my page. Please... Regards Mita Pal

Welcome to the Teahouse, MITA PAL. I looked at the text of the deleted article and pretty much every sentence contained promotional language more appropriate to an advertisement than a neutral encyclopedia article. Therefore, it would not be proper to restore it. I am sorry but it is not your page. Once you saved it to Wikipedia, you gave up all control over it. Please read Your first article and also read about the neutral point of view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:10, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Inflation Template

I read alot of historical articles and they frequently have out of date UK currency amounts, so I learned how to use the inflation template. However, the template itself is 2 years out of date. I, and others, have requested an update at the appropriate places more than once to no avail. The reference the template uses can be found here. I tried updating it myself with no luck. Thank you for your time. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 10:10, 4 November 2017 (UTC) If this doesn't work I guess I'll have to try updating it again. As soon as I figure out what a praser is...

• If you know what you are doing, meaning that you won't break everything because of poor syntax and won't put a random value that does not match the previous methodology, the place to edit is Template:Inflation/UK/dataset, which gives the data used by each invokation of the template (for UK). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:02, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

In 2000 I took a semester of C++ in my first year. I could probably do it, but embarrassingly, when I tried, I couldn't figure out how to get past the first page. I thought it might be a IP thing. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 11:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I've tried editing it (it's trivial to add the figure for 2016, the last one available at that source), but the comment says to update {{Inflation-fn}} and {{Inflation year}} as well, and I find the latter is protected. I don't know what would be the consequence of editing the first without the third, so I have abandoned the attempt. --ColinFine (talk) 11:30, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@ColinFine: maybe leave a {{Edit template-protected}} request at Inflation-year with the whole set of changes that are needed? Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I made a request here. Thanks for trying anyway, and for the advice. I'll let you know what happens. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 07:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Redirect

Hello there! I was wondering how to redirect my wikimedia userpage to my english wikipedia userpage. I have added a line of code, but that does not seem to be working... any clue on it? Thanks! Adityavagarwal (talk) 11:25, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I guess by "Wikimedia userpage" you mean meta:User:Adityavagarwal. meta:Soft redirect says you cannot make a hard interwiki redirect and gives some reasons, so I doubt you can improve on what you made so far (maybe you could template it with a meta-specific interwiki redirect template, but it will remain a soft redirect). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Tigraan Thanks a ton, for your help! :) Adityavagarwal (talk) 14:08, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Errors in references in Pregabalin

Hi, can anyone work out what's causing all the errors in the references section in Pregabalin? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:34, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Presumably some temporary glitch in the Wikipedia software. A purge cured it. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Editing, title

Hi all,

I've written an article in my sandbox and pressed the button to edit it.

I have two questions : 1/ How long it takes to display that contribution in Wikipedia? 2/ I am not sure to have put a title on top of my text. How can I check that ?

Thank you very much Monolook (talk) 11:27, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Monolook. To answer your questions quickly: (1) forever if you just keep it in your sandbox, once submitted for review through the Articles for Creation process it usually takes a few weeks; (2) the title of the page is handled by where it is located, do not worry too much about it (ultimately the article will be located at Bernard Aubertin).

I took the liberty of moving your draft article to Draft:Bernard Aubertin, and adding a banner so that once you think the article is ready, you just have to click the "submit your draft for review" button. However, I think there is still a bit of work to do before it can pass.

I suggest you take a look at our guide to referencing for beginners, especially the "same reference used more than once" section, since all four current refs are from the same work. You should also include other sources to prove the subject is "notable" (i.e. has been written about at length by multiple reliable sources) - the article on the French Wikipedia has some (I assume you can read French?).

Also: your sandbox (User:Monolook/sandbox) now redirects to the draft page; you can still edit the sandbox itself (for another article, for instance) by going to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Monolook/sandbox&redirect=no. (After following a redirect, clicking on the "redirected from..." will bring you the redirecting page.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:44, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Tigraan,

Thanks a lot for the advices and your initiative. That's very helpful.Monolook (talk) 18:10, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused....

This is probably a stupid question or the wrong place to ask it, but how do I know what to help with? Like, I want to help edit articles. Is there any special page I can go to that will show me all of the pages that are in need of editing help? Every link I follow about editing and helping out doesn't really answer my question.

Many thanks in advance! ~Beth 07:28, 5 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrincessBeth (talk • contribs)

Hi, I believe the Wikipedia:Task Center would be a good place to look. Also check out the Wikipedia:Community portal where you will find articles that are categorised by the issues that need fixing (copyediting, adding refs, etc.). Hope this helps. Kosack (talk) 07:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Or, just pick an article where you know a lot about the topic, and see if there is stuff wrong. A tip though - look at Talk to learn what the debates and disagreements are about. David notMD (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Why was my account deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.112.34.215 (talk) 21:18, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello IP user. Accounts cannot be deleted. Do you perhaps mean that your user page was deleted? Without knowing more about your situation it is difficult to help you. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Accounts are not deleted; they need to be retained for attribution purposes. Accounts can be blocked for violation of Wikipedia's rules. User pages may be deleted if they fail to meet Wikipedia's requirements. There are 3 deletion processes, and if you are referring to speedy deletion specifically the criteria are listed at WP:Criteria for speedy deletion. If you link to the page in question, the deletion log will tell you which criterion was relevant in this case. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Sandbox draft?

Hi. I was using sandbox to build a new page (Ritu Sethi) thinking it was just a draft and I could continue to edit it in my next session. I had copied and pasted a lot of info to this draft which I had no intention of ultimately publishing, instead I intended to just leave in selected bits. When I returned it had been a speedy deletion for 'unambigous advertising' and I can understand why! But I can't seem to find any 'challenge deletion' button to explain this to the deleter? Jimigav (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jimigav: The page is at Draft:Ritu Sethi. It is not deleted. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

The time to challenge a speedy deletion, by the way, is before the article is deleted, not after it is deleted. However, as noted, it does still exist. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:50, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

You will need to add more independent reliable sources in order to get it moved into article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:52, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for that clarification Robert. I do get confused with all the links I'm afraid. I'll try what you suggest! Jimigav (talk) 15:56, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

ps Actually I think that was one I submitted earlier than the one that was a 'speedy deleted' and I thought I had lost this one, so did it again with slightly different wording - which was the one that was 'speedy deleted'. Is it possible there is more than one in the system? I don't want it to look like I am just continuing to just submit articles in the hope that one will eventually be accepted? Jimigav (talk) 16:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jimigav, according to your Contribution log, Draft:Ritu Sethi is the only currently existing version. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Ritu sethi (not a draft) is perhaps the (twice) deleted version to which the OP referred. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much Roger and David. I'll give it another try.

I'm so disappointed with myself for not using this help facility earlier!! Jimigav (talk) 21:43, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Create new page

Where do I go for help to create a new page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathrynkm1 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Creating a new article is difficult, and new editors are recommended to get experience in editing existing articles before trying to create a new article. When you are ready to create a new article, the advice is at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:10, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Help correcting an error

Hello, I was correcting a couple of typos in the first paragraph on the page, "Ten Days in the Valley" (TV show), and something went very wrong. I don't know how it happened and I don't know how to correct it. If someone can fix the error, I would be very grateful. Thank you. Classicslover13 (talk) 07:31, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Classicslover13. I corrected the formatting error in the article's infobox. I am not familiar with the TV show so you should check whether the typos are now gone. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much, Cullen328, for making the correction and for getting to it so quickly. I was pretty freaked out that I accidentally messed up the page. Classicslover13 (talk) 08:00, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Help Please per WP:PROMO

To whom this may concern,

How are you? I'm very eager to create my own personally music wikipedia but i'm having a hard time. I recently submitted it but it got denied and this message "per WP:PROMO" was sent please help. User:XeryusG/sandbox/Xeryus Gittens thanks

Kind Regards,

Xeryus Gittens

Xeryus Gittens (talk) 07:59, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi XeryusG and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you have misunderstood what Wikipedia is for. Creating your own Wikipedia page is not permitted unless you have been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources to establish your notability in the Wikipedia sense. Wikipedia may not be used for promotion. It only reports what others unconnected with the subject have written. See WP:Autobiography. Sorry to disappoint you. Dbfirs 08:05, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

How to create a page for the movie

How to do?Chennai Information Updater (talk) 06:44, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Chennai Information Updater: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article is actually one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. It takes time, practice, and effort. Users who are most successful at article creation got their start by first editing existing articles and working their way up to article creation, learning as they went. Users who dive right in to article creation often end up disappointed and with hurt feelings when something they worked on for hours and hours is deleted for reasons they might not fully understand, because they are so new.

I would suggest that you first take The Wikipedia Adventure, a tutorial structured like a game, to learn exactly what is done here and how to do it. Then, take some time to edit existing articles in areas that interest you, so you can get a feel for editing. Then, when you are ready, you can read Your First Article to learn what goes into creating an article. That will help you learn that all articles need independent reliable sources that indicate how the subject is notable. In the case of a film, it will need to meet the guidelines at WP:NFILM. If you have further questions, please post them below. 331dot (talk) 09:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Unable to get my research linked

Dear Wiki Editors

I have been waiting to get my research linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries#INDIAN_CONTRIBUTIONS_IN_LARGE_SCALE_COLLABORATIONS Please can you do something? 202.142.69.154 (talk) 03:52, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not for posting your own original research. It is only for posting information depicted in independent reliable sources. If it is scientific research, it needs to be vetted and published by a third party. That is also what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest, please read about that at WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

How to get past the 'Edit summary and save' on the Adventure? 123Squiggles (talk) 15:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

How to get past the 'Edit summary and save' on the Adventure? 123Squiggles (talk) 15:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, 123Squiggles, welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. I'm really sorry you had to wait a while for a reply. (I'd not taken the Wikipedia Adventure Tour myself, so spent a fun hour or so yesterday working through it.) You look to have made some progress, as I see you have some new badges on your User Page. So are you still having problems? The "Edit summary" is the long, thin box at the bottom of every page you modify, and into which you're asked to add a few words describing what changes you've just made. The tour suggests what words you should type as a summary, but to be frank they're a bit wordy, and simply saying "add bold", "add content" or "add images" is OK. Just below the Edit Summary box on the lower left you should have seen a blue "Save Changes" box. Click that to save your work. I took the tour on an Android tablet, and sometimes found the white instruction popup obstructed what I wanted to do, and had to scroll right down the page sometimes to see the next prompt. Only after I struggled a bit did I spot these warnings at the start of the tour: You need JavaScript enabled for the tour to work properly. If you're using Internet Explorer, you need to be updated to IE 10. Unfortunately, this game is not supported on tablets and smaller mobile devices. So, I wonder if this could be why you were having problems. Feel free to leave another message here if you need further help on anything (except space travel, of course!). If you're a bit unsure what to do next, try editing your User Page and add in a few lines about yourself and your interests in working on Wikipedia (but don't include any personal information, of course.) As a first step, see if you can put your Username in bold, as you did get that a little bit wrong on the Adventure (but I did too!). Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Remove message template: A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject.

Hello, Last month I posted in the Tea Room regarding the message templates on a page I was editing about a photographer: Stuart Roy Clarke. It was my first edit on Wikipedia and I chose this subject as I'm a student of photography and had been doing a project on photography and football, where Clarke's work featured quite heavily. So, I felt that he was a good subject for my first edit as I felt I knew quite a lot about hm and his work. This was discussed with @David notMD and I hoped I clarified that I do not have a close connection with the subject. Can this message template now be removed?

I was a little disheartened after my first attempt at editing seemed to attract these message templates but am going to try again. I am going to address the citations issues on this page and hopefully the need for that message template too.

Best, Encyclopediadia (talk) 11:27, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

My interpretation of the edit history is that it's nothing to do with your edits, but because of someone claiming to be Stuart Roy Clarke editing the article. - X201 (talk) 11:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The tag on Stuart Roy Clarke was not specifically referring to your involvement. If you read WP:Articles for deletion/The Homes of Football you'll see that quite a number of accounts were under suspicion, including HomesOfFootball and StuartRoyClarke, so even if you have no connection with the subject it appears that other contributors do have, so the message template to which you refer seems justified. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:43, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Getting article through AfC

I also have a similar question.My article Draft:Xu Geyang is about a subjuct which is only about one year old.So there is relatively little reliable,useful information on the Internet and books.I can sure that WP:TOOSOON does not apply to my article because Xu Geyang is already well-known and widely reported.That means,Xu Geyang is already notable enough for Wikiledia.But I want to know how to show her notability better in my article,and what source should I look for.Please give me some advices. Omega68537 13:06, 6 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega68537 (talk • contribs)

Please help me understand what I'm doing wrong with this article.

Hi there, I'm new to wikipedia and article creating (especially for wikipedia). Currently I'm tasked to make my company page; a decade-old, well established company, Les' Copaque. I was told that our company page had been deleted at some point and have been tasked to recreate the company page.

None of my superiors know how to write a wiki page, and the task fell on to me to try and MAKE the company wikipedia page. I've been informed by admins/reviewers that my page is not of the right status to be deemed as a wikipedia page, but I'm not sure what I need to do to have my articles be considered notable to be published as a proper page. I've tried comparing my page to "Animonsta Studios" and noticed they hardly have outside references, yet are able to be an official wikipedia page.

Please help me understand how this whole thing works. What sort of references do I need? What's a good reference? How could I make a page on an animation series that has independent articles on it?

I'm really sorry for asking this many questions, I truly want to do a good job in editing my articles for the general public, but I'm lost and would like to find someone who can guide me through all this.NetizenNoWork (talk) 12:35, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

@NetzienNoWork: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't yet fully reviewed your submission but I can tell you that if you have been directed to edit Wikipedia by your boss that you need to read and comply with WP:PAID, the paid editing policy, as soon as possible. That is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use. You should also review WP:COI as well. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I would also say that the existence of other inappropriate pages does not mean yours can be permitted too. This is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can. That means some stuff gets through that shouldn't. 331dot (talk) 14:05, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I must admit "Les' Copaque" seems better sourced than the article it is compared to—Animonsta Studios. There are clearly problems with the "Les' Copaque" article. It seems to me to be overly exhaustive. It is more than just an overview of the company. And it is too subjective. We read stuff like "[t]hey each have unique characteristics and personalities, leading to very funny situations in their day to day lives together." That would seem to be the Wikipedia editor's opinion, and it is not supported by a source. Bus stop (talk) 15:04, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, NetzienNoWork, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the fact that your company has tasked you with creating a page on Wikipedia indicates that, like many people, your company has a complete misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is, and what it is for. Whether Wikipedia has an article about your company, and what it may contain, are not at all under your control. If there is an article, you are discouraged (thought not forbidden) from editing it directly, and Wikipedia has little interest in what the company (or its associates) says about itself, and no interest at all in how it wishes to be portrayed. If you do choose to create an article, you will (once you have made the mandatory declaration for a paid editor) have to find several places where people who have no connection whatever with the company have chosen to write about it, and been published in reliable places; and then you will have to forget everything you know about the company, and write an article solely from what those independent sources have said about it. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Here is a quote from your draft, NetizenNoWork, which includes overtly promotional and obviously false information:

"stunning and successful animations. As a Multimedia Super Corridor (MSC) status company, Les’ Copaque Production specializes in high quality 3D animations and is based locally in Shah Alam, Selangor. Currently, all of Les’ Copaque Productions’s IPs have won countless awards both locally and internationally."

You cannot call something "stunning and successful" in Wikipedia's voice. Any such evaluation needs to be cited to a reliable, independent source. As for "countless", are you really claiming that a person devoting all waking hours would be unable to count their awards in their lifetime? Hyperbole does not belong in Wikipedia articles. Please read and study the neutral point of view. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:12, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the response 331dot, Bus stop, ColinFine and Cullen for the feedback. I'm very grateful for the amount of responses on this matter. I'll definitely look into the things that you've mentioned.

Just one more question, is it alright if I interlink the english wikipedia articles to it's Bahasa Melayu counterparts? For example, is it alright to link the english page of Upin & Ipin to the established Bahasa Melayu page of Les' Copaque?

Also, really sorry if I'm asking in the wrong place, but I noticed it's easier to publish a article on the Bahasa Melayu Wikipedia. I just wanted to clarify is it because of difference in admins, or probably a different style of writings?

Again, very sorry for any trouble I'm causing. I genuinely want to do the right thing here on Wikipedia.NetizenNoWork (talk) 01:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@NetizenNoWork:| Different language versions of Wikipedia usually have different groups of users, and those different users may set different policies and guidelines, or interpret them differently. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

New Article Draft Review Request

Hi, I'd like to have someone review a draft article I've written that's currently in my sandbox. What is a good way to do this? Sampadaka (talk) 01:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sampadaka. Your question above is your only edit to the English Wikipedia with this account. Therefore, I cannot take a look at any draft. Did you create your draft using another account, or while logged out, or on another language Wikipedia? Please provide a link to the draft, or at the very least, its precise name. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:30, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Repinging Sampadaka, since I messed up the first ping. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen328. It appears I hadn't saved it as I thought I had initially. I had the text saved elsewhere, and pasted it in. I'll need to add in the citations again, but the rest of the text is there. It's in my user sandbox. Sampadaka (talk) 12:27, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Sampadaka. Your sandbox draft is still unreferenced, although it contains numbers in square brackets for some reason. Unreferenced biographies of living people violate policy and cannot be accepted into the encyclopedia. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

I've added the citations back in—the bracketed numbers were the items to be filled in, which I had initially included but which didn't save as intended in the draft. Thank you for looking this over, Cullen328. Please let me know how this looks now. Sampadaka (talk) 01:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sampadaka, I've made some minor improvements to your draft. But I personally don't believe that the draft is ready for submission yet. To mention some of the issues that I've come across: you've used terms such as "expert" and "prominent" to describe the subject, which are considered "peacock terms" that should be avoided generally; date of birth is missing; what's under Publication sound a bit promotional. But still, kudos for getting the inline-citations right. Feel free to ping me here, or on my talk page, if you need further help. -- ChamithN (talk) 15:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Help requested to get article talk archiving working again

• Naveen Jain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The talkpage was previously auto-archived by User:MiszaBot. Can someone switch it to a working bot without disrupting past archives? Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 16:08, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Ronz:, I don't see why the current configuration shouldn't work (see Help:Archiving regarding the "old" bot name, such an old configuration is still functional in this case). However, the page's oldest thread had a bit of odd formatting, which may have confused the archiving bot (sometimes malformatted threads are ignored). I cleaned up and manually archived this thread. Suggest you wait a few days for the bot to go through the page again - if the cleanup fixed the issue, the bot should archive the oldest 3 threads next time. GermanJoe (talk) 19:15, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

It is working now. Thanks! --Ronz (talk) 16:11, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

AfD close

question answered, no further action required John from Idegon (talk) 17:46, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

someone just closed an AfD that has been open less then a week? Can this be undone, I proposed it and I wanted to leave it open longer in case other editors wanted to comment. Seraphim System (talk) 02:16, 6 November 2017 (UTC) Hi Seraphim System. Which AfD? Based on your edits I assume you mean Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan (2nd nomination). It was open for 6 days and 23 hours, and had no posts for the last 3 days. AfD's are normally open for at least 7 full days unless there is an explicit speedy close but appealing to have it reopened for another hour would be a silly waste of time. Please accept that consensus will sometimes be against you. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:47, 6 November 2017 (UTC) I don't really need the patronizing tripe about consensus, I'm not going to accept an unsourced opinion from someone who doesn't even know that the capital of Turkey is Ankara and not Istanbul, no matter how politely you ask me to, but I already spoke to the closer so it's not worth discussing at this point. I'm not going to accept sloppy unsourced opinions as consensus, asking me 100 times is not going to change that. Not today, not tomorrow, not 6 months from now, not 5 years from now. I no longer have enough respect for the consensus process to continue editing. I made this clear, but the admins declined to impose an indefinite block, thinking I can still make positive contributions. I can, but at this point I am no longer willing to discuss anything with the editors here. If I have time, I will come back and see if there has been improvement, but it won't be anytime soon. Seraphim System (talk) 05:41, 6 November 2017 (UTC) Looking at the log, you are not currently and never have been indef blocked under your username. 331dot (talk) 09:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC) @331dot: That wasn't what they said. I think an indef block was requested but was not placed. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC) I doubt it would serve anyone, including the OP, to rehash the underlying dispute here, and I would suggest all sides to drop it or failing that to pursue it on more appropriate pages than the TH. Here goes the answer to the question asked: if you are unsatisfied with a close, take it with the closer first, and if the subsequent discussion changes neither the close nor your mind, take it to WP:DRV. TigraanClick here to contact me 09:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Are non-English language articles acceptable as references to En.wikipedia entries?

I'm very much a newbie here at Wikipedia. I submitted my first draft entry for review and it was - correctly - rejected because it lacked neutrality and more importantly had no independent, reliable and verifiable references. The 'notability' of the entry was also - correctly - questioned. I value and fully accept the reviewer's comments. They helped me learn how to contribute to Wikipedia (which I fully support).

I'm now taking more time to read Wikipedia's guidelines and edit my draft accordingly. The draft article is in English and it's about an international bi-annual event hosted in the Netherlands. There are a few English-language independent reference sources and also independent reference sources in Dutch-language national newspapers.

Although the independence/trustworthiness of the Dutch language newspapers are verifiable in English, the specific Dutch-language references to the international event are only verifiable to Dutch speakers.

So my general question is: do all references to an English language Wikipedia entry need to be in the same language? Or are other languages acceptable?

This question has perhaps been asked many times before but I've not been able to find the answer so far.

Thanks in advance,

Mike Mikemorrell49 (talk) 17:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You'll find the answer at WP:Verifiability#Non-English sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:51, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks David, exactly what I was looking for! Mikemorrell49 (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Draft

Hello! I was looking at the AfC section and I found that there was and draft that already had a page (Draft:Rockstar (Post Malone song), there is already a page of Rockstar (Post Malone song)). Can anyone delete these pending AfC submissions? TPGfan ^{Let's have a nice cup of tea and a friendly chat} 18:37, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Well spotted. I've notified the creator and redirected the draft to the existing article (because redirects are cheap). – Joe (talk) 18:52, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Is the non profit I work for eligible for a Wiki page?

Hello- I would like to know if the non profit organization I work for would be eligible for a Wiki page. The organization is OBON SOCIETY and we return WWll battlefield souvenirs back to families in Japan. We mainly return Good Luck flags. Wiki does have a "Good Luck Flag" page right now and OBON SOCIETY is referenced on that page. We would like to have our own page but I wasn't sure if that would fall under promoting a company. Thank you! Bethany Glenn Bethybaby007 (talk) 19:08, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Bethybaby007: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. This is an encyclopedia, where article subjects must be shown to be notable (click WP:N to review) in independent reliable sources. (click WP:RS to review) It is not social media for organizations to have pages that they exclusively control, to tell the world about what they do. If your organization is written about in independent reliable sources like the news, it may be possible to have an article about it, but it is strongly advised that you not write it yourself. You have what we call a conflict of interest (WP:COI) which means it would be difficult for you to write about your group objectively, as if you didn't work for them. 331dot (talk) 20:30, 6 November 2017

Is .ogg acceptable for sound files on Wikipedia?

I was thinking of uploading a sound clip to an article, and I just wanted to confirm whether or not .ogg is okay. The Verified Cactus 100% 00:15, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes. See Wikipedia:Creation_and_usage_of_media_files#Audio Meters (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! The Verified Cactus 100% 19:24, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

How do I revise my rejected draft article in a more neutral tone?

An article I recently requested for submission titled Draft:Elias Wondimu was rejected due to it seemingly being promotional and not written in a neutral tone. I've reviewed the What Wikipedia is not page and the Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View page but am still finding a hard time applying the requirements to the article. Is anyone able to review it and suggest some specific edits that I should make to sound more neutral/not promotional? Also, are other wiki editors now able to view and edit the draft as well? Or do I need to move the draft to a sandbox? Malemseged (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Malemseged. Like every other page in Wikipedia, Draft:Elias Wondimu may be read by anybody in the world. I'm not sure I should call it "promotional", but it is certainly not either neutral or encyclopaedic in tone. Just looking at the beginning of the biography, "where he spent his childhood with his parents and five siblings" is something I would expect to see in a magazine article, not an encyclopaedia. More specifically, in the next sentence, "inspired" is problematic in two ways: first it is saying something about his mental processes: this is not acceptable. You could quote somebody who said (in a published source) that they were inspired to do something, but you must not say so in Wikipedia's voice. More seriously, it is a generally an evaluative word. (It is possible to say explicitly that somebody was inspired by something you rate negatively, but saying "inspired to do something" is always positive in tone). A Wikipedia article must never use an evaluative expression about a subject unless it is directly quoting a reliable published source independent of that subject. So, again, you could say that "in XYZ newspaper, ABC said that he was inspired to become a surgeon", with a citation; but otherwise, no.

Even more serious is the phrase in the next sentence "the injustices of the Ethiopian Government". Whatever your (or my) attitude towards the Ethiopian Government, this is blatantly non-neutral, and must not stand in a Wikipedia article.

I hope these notes will help you. --ColinFine (talk) 00:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you so much for your suggestions. These are incredibly helpful notes that I'll be sure to include in the revisions.

Welcome to the Teahouse, Malemseged. Here are two more quotes that read to me as promotional and non-neutral in Wikipedia's voice:

"discovered the pressing needs to offer a platform to a community of minority scholars, giving them a venue and circulating their scholarship among the general population. This inspired him to produce two academic journals"

"As a reporter and column editor, Elias ran probing investigative stories that questioned the policies of the corrupt system in power and the emerging divisive political organizations at the time."

Words and phrases like "pressing", "probing", "inspired him", "corrupt system" and "emerging divisive political organizations" are all examples non-neutral language that should never be used in Wikipedia's voice. Instead, attribute those assessments to independent reliable sources.

In addition, you consistently call him "Elias". Our Manual of Style says the we should give a person's full name at first mention and normally refer to them by their surname subsequently. We do not use a person's first name to refer to them unless they are widely known only by their first name, as in the case of Beyoncé.

You also have many external links in the body of the article. These should be removed. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:15, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually, Cullen328, I disagree about the name. Ethiopians do not normally have surnames, and are referred to by their given name, not their patronymic. Our policy (WP:PATRONYMIC) says we should normally do likewise. Malemseged, I suggest you add the template {{Patronymic name}} to the top of the article, to explain why it uses a convention which seems odd to most English speakers. --ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for that information, ColinFine. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:37, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Thank you for your notes! I see how this fails to sound neutral - I will certainly revise as noted. In regards to the external links in the body of the article, I now understand that I should remove those that link to outside of Wikipedia, but does this policy also extend to specific people, institutions, and organizations whose external links are to their respective Wikipedia page?

@ColinFine: Thank you for the clarification. I will be sure to include the {{Patronymic name}} template at the top of the article for explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malemseged (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

An external link is to something outside Wikipedia. A wikilink to another Wikipedia page is of course permitted if appropriate. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

My article

Two questions:

1) How do I take down an article I have submitted for review?

2) Can someone take a look at my article to let me know if they think it will be declined?

Nikfackler (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. As nobody else has contributed to Draft:Nik Fackler, you can (if you wish) tag it for speedy deletion with {{db-user}}, or you can remove the AFC submission if you want the page to remain but be removed from the submission queue. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:43, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

What do you think of my article? Do you think it will pass inspection? Nikfackler (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Nikfackler. It's a good article—concise and well supported by references—so I've just accepted it for publication. However, your username raises one of two concerns. If you are Nik Fackler, I would advise you not to edit the page further, as Wikipedia very strongly discourages writing articles about oneself because it is a major conflict of interest. If you are not Nik Fackler, please pick a new username that doesn't imply that you are. – Joe (talk) 22:53, 6 November 2017 (UTC)