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Stuff like [edit source]

If I review a draft at Articles for Creation that contains things like [edit source] and [hide], which are clearly well-intentioned efforts to create a Wikipedia article based on the way it is displayed, but are actually cargo cult programming, I clearly need to give the author advice on how to format a valid submission. My question is simply what guidelines or essays to direct an editor to who is trying to create an article draft and is completely clueless.

Robert McClenon (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: my two cents is to drop them a note telling them to omit those things. From my interpretation of the File:Flow chart for AFC 3.1.png, AFC submissions are more about content than formatting. After all, when published to the mainspace, someone's going to come along and do some clean-up. Asking them to omit the [edit source] and [hide] does two things: A. it allows the writer to focus more on content and sourcing, which is the crux of AFC reviews; B. it makes the content marginally easier to decipher, without the distraction of the quirks. Unless these quirks are spilling into the mainspace, I don't know what could be done beyond the links in welcome templates. If they're not reading or understanding those, I don't know what else could be done to clue them in. Again, just my view. I'd be happy to hear what other folks have to say. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 02:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Rotideypoc41352 - Well, in this case, if the cargo cult programming formatting were the only problem, I could have accepted the draft with a {{cleanup}} template, or done the cleanup myself. In the specific case in point, there are multiple types of cluelessness and inappropriate humor in the draft. The one basis that I didn't have for declining the draft was notability, because the subject is a town, and inhabited named places are ipso facto notable. But notability isn't the only thing. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: other than maybe WP:TONE, completely out of my depth here. Yuck, indeed. I'm sure someone else out there has less obvious, more insightful advice. Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 03:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

See Draft:Latte, Wisconsin. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:59, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: The article is clearly a spoof. Content has simply been copy/pasted from the entry for Fall Creek, Wisconsin using the normal monitor view (hence all the codes). It matches it exactly, and someone's just tweaked the content to make it silly. What makes you think there's any notability? It actually fails WP:V -the place is a hoax, it even uses the exact coordinates of Fall Creek, with Eau Claire County, Wisconsin changed to Emu Claire County - come on! WP:DFTT applies here. I don't do WP:AFC, but I'd have slapped on a CSD for WP:G3 i.e.{{Db-hoax}}. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:22, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Nick Moyes - Someone saw your comment and did put a G3 on it. Anyway, someone put a G3 on it. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

That's good to know. I'd have done it myself, but was unsure if there might be a slightly different process applied to articles in draft. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:43, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

User:Nick Moyes - The process is slightly different for draft pages than for article pages for speedy deletion as follows. The criteria that begin with A apply only in article space, such as all of the cases of A7 for no credible claim of significance. The criteria that begin with G are General and apply in any space. A draft that is blatantly promotional can still be deleted as G11. I tend to tag drafts with G11 if they are written in the first person. A draft that is a re-creation of an article that was deleted after a deletion discussion can still be deleted as G4. G3 is a general criterion that applies anywhere, in article space, in draft space, in Wikipedia project space. So there are differences. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Robert. I shall probably think about getting involved in WP:AFC sometime in the near future, and appreciate how important it is to have a good understanding of the how all our policies are applied, and under what specific circumstances. I know these do tend to befuddle newcomers here (and me, too, from time to time) but it is impressive how such a disparate community of volunteer editors have evolved ways to manage and maintain order by consensus within this vast and amazing encyclopaedia, and can operate so effectively to make it such a valuable resource. I have a colleague who has spent the last 20 years volunteer-recording and photographing war memorials in the UK. I tried to inveigle him into contributing here, but he told me he that back in the very early days in 2001 he contributed a page about a reasonably significant historical figure. It was deleted for "not being interesting enough"! Sadly, he still holds it against us and refuses to contribute to this day. But how we have moved on! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I have made an edit to a reference but now two references are cited

on this entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarahah I added a reference to a news story that is being carried widely in Australian media, namely the suicide death of a teenager, a death that has been linked to cyber bullying

It appears that I need help with formatting entries in Wikipedia; can someone help out with the entry and point me in the right direction, please?John Lamerand (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Hopefully this edit is what you wanted to do? --David Biddulph (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

One further small point is that it is clearer in your question to give a wikilink like Sarahah rather than a URL like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarahah . --David Biddulph (talk) 03:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Geography sourcing on Mendoza, Texas

Hello! I am almost done editing the Geography section of Mendoza, Texas, and I think that a link to either Google or Bing Maps would be best to source the distances to the community from Austin, San Antonio, and Houston. How can I use these as both references and External Links on this article? Also, can I have some tips on how to properly cite this as sources and External Links? Lastly, I understand that results regarding distances can be changed from time to time, but I want to make a link to this, and not use it as a reference. Thank you! Colman2000 (talk) 03:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi again Colman2000. As I tried to explain to you on my talk page a few days ago (and I apologise for missing your last reply there), you could create an External Links section and add in a bulleted line to a Google map like:

• Mendoza settlement shown on Google maps

Or you could select a url to link to which is more zoomed in and just show the satellite view of how tiny a settlement actually is. (something I'd not appreciated until today)Either way, when you come to state distances, you could add that as a supporting note, as I told you I'd done when I'd built up the article on the Mont Blanc massif. Sorry, I should have pointed you to the first paragraph of the Geography section where I'd used the following markup: <ref group=note>distance measured from valley bottom to valley bottom, from [http://geoportail.fr/url/7FmCCj French IGN online map].</ref> and then added a Notes section as follows: ==Notes== (THEN A LINE BREAK} {{reflist|group=note}}. It may be that other editors might suggest a different way, such as using the specific templates for maps found at Template:Cite map. (I don't think I was aware of them at the time). Hope this helps a bit more. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Can I use an old version of a website saved in the internet archive as a source for information?

I am wondering if linking to an old version of a website saved to the internet archive, is allowed to be cited as a source for information on a page. I would only do this if no other sources are availible, if this is allowed to be used as a form of source for information. Greshthegreat (talk) 16:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Greshthegreat. Yes, that's fine. It happens quite often with web references, so much so that the {{Cite web}} template has a special |archive-url= parameter. – Joe (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Article deleted

My article was deleted, and I really wish i knew a better way to keep them properly formatted. I wish to do this the right way in lieu of wikis regulations and guidelines. Please help. Mistabong (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mistabong and welcome to the Teahouse. There are so many actors round the world, and most of them are not notable in the Wikipedia sense. Your only references in your last article (Adewale Demehin) which is about to be deleted are a mention in a list, and a website created by of for the subject. You need to find independent WP:reliable sources in which the actor has been written about in detail. If you can't find these then Wikipedia cannot have an article on that actor.

In case you missed the link on your talk page, for an actor to be notable, you need to provide references to show that he:

1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.
2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.
3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Dbfirs 17:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, this was really helpful. Mistabong (talk) 17:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I remove a template message?

I recently updated an episode from The Good Doctor (TV series) to better organize and hopefully improve it's length and content. I have tried to look for a way to remove the template message, but am unable to figure it out. Maybe I just don't have the right to remove it. I'm not sure how it works. I did read the information about removing templates, when, how, etc. But I was not able to find the tag in the edit source (visual) for the episode.

Thanks for your help with this. Jean

Mjr524 (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for working to improve the encyclopedia. Is this about The_Good_Doctor_(TV_series)? What message are you referring to? I don't see any there. RudolfRed (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Mjr524, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you very much for contributing to the 1Lib1Ref project!

I've removed the template for you, since I agree that your shortened summary is not excessive. It looks like you were using the "visual editor" which does not always make it clear how to perform some editing tasks. Perhaps an experienced editor who uses the visual editor can provide guidance on how you could have accomplished the template removal yourself. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:49, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and for removing it. I'll take a look at the source editor. I used to do HTML but am not up to speed on much any more. :-( Jean

Mjr524 (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Question

Can I have the font family of the word "My Cousin Belle" here? Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 20:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Super ninja2. It seems to be Unifraktur Maguntia but I'm not sure how. When the page is reloaded it first displays a normal font and then changes it. The produced wikicode is: <span lang="de-Latf" style="font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia, UnifrakturCook,Unifraktur, serif;font-size:113%;font-feature-settings:'cv01', 'cv02', 'cv03', 'cv04', 'cv05', 'cv06', 'cv07', 'cv08', 'cv09', 'cv10'; -moz-font-feature-settings:'cv01', 'cv02', 'cv03', 'cv04', 'cv05', 'cv06', 'cv07', 'cv08', 'cv09', 'cv10'; -webkit-font-feature-settings:'cv01', 'cv02', 'cv03', 'cv04', 'cv05', 'cv06', 'cv07', 'cv08', 'cv09', 'cv10'; -ms-font-feature-settings:'cv01', 'cv02', 'cv03', 'cv04', 'cv05', 'cv06', 'cv07', 'cv08', 'cv09', 'cv10';">My Cousin Belle</span>. It displays a normal font for me here: My Cousin Belle. I think WikiSource has code to automatically display the font Unifraktur Maguntia for "font-family:UnifrakturMaguntia" in browsers without own support for the font. It's possible the Commons images at [1] are used. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Failure to create an AfD

At the article Milk soy protein intolerance I started the Article for Deletion process, but have not been able to follow the instructions that will post it at the AfD page. Tried and failed several times. Very frustrating. David notMD (talk) 01:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: The link to the AFD is working for me. What part are you having trouble with? RudolfRed (talk) 01:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

The use of Twinkle usually facilitates the AFD process and I think it should be (and probably is) strongly recommended. It automates the tedious human steps. However, on rare occasion Twinkle malfunctions on a step and it is necessary to clean up the mess manually. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: He created the discussion page, but didn't format it correctly or transclude it in the daily log.

@David notMD: I've fixed it. You might find it easier to nominate with Twinkle next time. – Joe (talk) 02:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks all. Yes, my fail was getting it to the daily log. David notMD (talk) 02:37, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

@David notMD: Oh, also, don't forget to notify the creator. – Joe (talk) 02:39, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I created an AfD notification on the creator's Talk page. David notMD (talk) 02:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Filling out an infobox + editing questions

Here's the page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Radio_Corp._v._Hazeltine_Research,_Inc.

I asked in the Talk page for the article as well, but the article is about multiple Supreme Court cases and I only filled it out for one of the cases. I didn't find anything relevant to this situation in the infobox template documentation.

Due to its specificity, should the above question be asked in more a relevant place, like a Wikiproject or a community portal?

I also published the edit right away instead of making a draft and then seeking peer edit for the edit but I didn't find out about drafts until after making the edit. Should I create drafts before most non-minor edits and get them checked, and where?

Sorry in advance for any mistakes I've made or if this information is already available, I'm pretty new

Spectator Ion (talk) 05:43, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Zenith Radio Corp. v. Hazeltine Research, Inc.. Answers in order, @Spectator Ion:

I'd say yes, but not due to its specificity. Sometimes Wikiproject pages or community portals get more traffic than article talk pages. Posting there might get a speedier response.

No. Be bold and just do it. WP:BRD is what I'm referring to. Drafts are usually for new articles trying to pass the Articles for Creation process. You can test edits in your user sandbox or many of the other general sandboxes (see the hatnote at the top of your user sandbox for links to those).

Hope you get the answers you need. Welcome to Wikipedia and happy editing! Rotideypoc41352 (talk) 06:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Whole page duplicated in continuation.

PLease have a look at this page, List of deemed universities where entire article is duplicated at the bottom. I was going to delete duplication but it appears to be bot generated so I am not sure which duplication should be removed, the top one or bottom one. Please do the needful. Jazze7 (talk) 09:24, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

No, it's not a bot. The error occurred in this edit last month by Abesam. I've deleted the lower table, as this was the one which I guess Abesam was trying to replace but instead left in while adding the upper version. It may need some tidying up, but hopefully Abesam can do that. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:41, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification

Jazze7 (talk) 10:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata

Hello, can someone please add Monkokehampton to wikidata, I don't really understand how but I put the wikidata link in the reflist area. Thanks. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 11:44, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

It needed this edit to Wikidata. You'll find the "Wikipedia" links towards the foot of the Wikidata page, and you just needed to edit that section, including an "en" entry. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

ok thanks. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 11:59, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

request to post my Tiko Kerr article update

Hello,

I'm confused about my COI edit request. Cordless Larry suggested that I may have removed an answer to my original post, but I don't think I would have done that - unless by stupid mistake. (likely) He also suggested I post here. I have worked hard to get the Tiko Kerr (Canadian Painter) article updated to highlight his advancement as a significant artist and to put his HIV AIDs activism in more perspective (that all happened in the 60s). Can someone review my work and post these updates? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiko_Kerr Your time and attention are very much appreciated.

Rexb9 (talk) 12:09, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

On Cordless Larry's user talk page he did give you a link to your removal of the response to your initial request. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:09, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Submitting a new article

Hey, can somebody help me publish a new article that I wrote? It's my first time writing an article so I'm pretty new at it. Thanks!! (Thethinker95 (talk) 22:57, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Thethinker95 welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia. WP:AFC would be the best place to get help with a new article, but if you tell us about the article here I am sure someone will help you. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:03, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

If this is about Draft:Trevor James, I note that it cites no independent sources. Unless you can find and cite some, it will never be accepted as an article. Maproom (talk) 23:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thethinker95, thanks for visiting the Teahouse with your questions. I assume the article you'd like to publish is Draft:Trevor_James? He sounds like he might be a sufficiently well-known vlogger that he could, potentially, meet our criteria for notability. What you need to do now is simply prove it. To do that you need to demonstrate with good references that he has been noticed and written about in depth by reliable sources that are totally independent of the subject. e.g. national media covering his amazing rise to fame, and stuff like that. Cut out every single one of the references to his own website and videos and, right now, we're left with nothing but an obscure and unexplained interview with someone called Zimmerman who you haven't referenced properly. (You'll need to read this page to appreciate when interviews can be accepted and when they can be ignored.)

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you will need to dig deeper than this. If you aren't able to find 3rd party sources that write about him in depth, my advice is simply to forget it for now because, when you do submit your draft, it will be rejected on the grounds of failure to demonstrate notability (as we define it here). If this is a disappointment, do please read this: WP:TOOSOON -it might cheer you up. :Everyone who is now 'notable' and who merits a page on Wikipedia, was at one stage non-notable. (Even Donald Trump was once a little insecure baby uttering nonsense that nobody cared about. How things change!) People can't become notable by themselves - others have to show a genuine interest to write or talk about them in depth. That's how we define notability. If you can find and include those sources, whilst deleting all the links to self-promoting stuff, you're 3/4 of the way towards creating a Wikipedia page about someone that might be worth having here. Does this make sense? What we all recommend to people like you who have only made four previous edits, but who have demonstrated an impressive ability to assemble a pretty competent but non-notable article is to declare on your user page any conflict of interest you may have and to declare if you are being WP:PAID to draft this article. Neither will stop the article from going live - but failure to declare an interest tends to get editors permanently blocked, and non-notability just wastes everyone's time. Sorry to be a bit of a misery, but I hope this helps. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:53, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Emir of Wikipedia, Maproom, and Nick Moyes,

Thank you for explaining the criteria of notability and for giving some more context to the issue with my article. I am in the process of researching 3rd party sources to use as references.

Just to give you some more information, I am not being paid at all to write this article. As a fan of Trevor's YouTube channel and someone who enjoys writing for its pure pleasure, I wanted to share Trevor's story with his other fans and users of the web. It's actually the very first time I've written an article and as a long-standing reader of Wikipedia, I thought it would be a good platform to use.

I wrote this article in collaboration with Josh Zimmerman, Trevor James's manager. However, after you have explained the criteria of notability, it makes a lot more sense why the references would need to be from a 3rd party to ensure the information is credible and unbiased.

In any case, I appreciate the support and will work on referencing my article properly. I'll keep you posted on how it goes.

Thanks! (Thethinker95 (talk) 15:58, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

On another note, should I create a user page? And if so, what should I include? (Thethinker95 (talk) 16:07, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Creating a userpage is not required, but if you wish to, what is acceptable content for one (and what isn't) is listed at WP:USERPAGE. Many long time users never make one, and others simply redirect it to their user talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Where and what is my personal sandbox for Wikipedia?

I would like to practice but I can't find it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikola the amazing! (talk • contribs) 17:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Here is your almost empty sandbox. Maproom (talk) 17:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

How and when can I make a Wikipedia article?

I not sure cause I'm VERY confused. I want to make an article about someone notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikola the amazing! (talk • contribs) 17:00, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Start at Wikipedia:Your first article and I also recommend the advice here: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_624#Article. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

And please remember the advice you were given at WP:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 705#Can I write about a famous youtuber?. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:56, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

..., and also the advice at User talk:Nikola the amazing!#December 2017 about signing your messages. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:02, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Invasion of my sandbox

Hi,

I was approx. 95% done with a biography I was creating for Women in Red, and my draft disappeared. Some weird wiki looking article has taken its place. I have never had this happen before, so I am not sure what to do.

Fortunately, I made a copy of my draft just 30 minutes before this happened.

Please advise. Thx MauraWen (talk) 17:08, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Someone had misguidedly replaced its content with two invitations to the Wikipedia Adventure. I have restored your work-in-progress. Maproom (talk) 17:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) User:Wfm4 has been editing numerous users' sandboxes. He was warned yesterday not to do that but he has continued, and I have given him a final warning. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring my draft and responding. I wanted to let you know that after I posted my question, I went back to my sandbox and started reading the content. I noticed hyperlinks embedded in the content advertising girls doing something or being available.

When I got out and back in again to read further and possibly copy that information for Wikipedia, my draft was restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MauraWen (talk • contribs) 17:32, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Wfm4 has been blocked for 48 hours for his vandalism. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please see Black-body radiation. It looks like User:70.186.57.168 is slipping through the cracks somehow. 50.64.119.38 (talk) 21:53, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

If the vandal keeps it up, your best bet is to report it over at WP:AIV. Ravenswing 23:05, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP address that is vandalizing, and semi-protected Black-body radiation. Please let me know if the vandalism resumes after the protection expires. Thank you, IP editor 50.64.119.38. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

My page was declined

Hi, I built a page, trueVRsystems, for publication but it was declined and I can not figure out why. I believed I complied with all the necessary? Hoping it can be reviewed and some comments made to show me where I went wrong. Thanks ever so much. sagvw Sagvw (talk) 07:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sagvw and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to read WP:Referencing for beginners. I assume that you intended to use "Low-latency localization by Active LED Markers tracking using a Dynamic Vision Sensor" as a reference, but when I search the contents, I do not find trueVRsystems mentioned at all. I wonder if your article is WP:Too soon? Dbfirs 07:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Re-direct issue / naming and priority

Hi there - can someone advise me about sorting an incorrect redirect? At Chichester#Education, the link to Chichester High School in the UK leads to Chichester_School_District#High_school in the USA. This is the redirect page: Chichester_High_School&redirect=no. I would like to (a) create a new page for Chichester High School in the UK and (b) create a disambiguation page differentiating the UK and USA links. Firstly, is this the right way to go? Secondly, how do I name the UK school page? Not sure what the priority article is. Many thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 09:42, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Tacyarg. I have removed the incorrect links. I have moved the USA school's redirect to Chichester High School, Pennsylvania. You can now create the page for the UK school as Chichester High School, West Susssex and you can make the dab page if you wish, and then make the links in the Chichester town page to the new article. Please see WP:WPSCH/AG for advice on how to make articles aboout schools. To avoid deletion, ensure that the article is sourced. Do not take content verbatim from the school's web site. If you need any advice, contact me, I'm the UK coord of the Wikipedia school project. Happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:40, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I need help referencing a page I'm putting together

I recently tried to put together an article for a band from my town ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Decline_(punk_band) ) and it was rejected because the references didn't show notability. What do I need to change to get it up there? P.dolin (talk) 07:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi P.dolin. Bands must meet Wikipedia criteria for notability at WP:BAND. You will need to find substantial, independent reliable sources that discuss the band in detail (but not blogs or interviews) in order to assert notability. When you feel you have done that, notify the AfC reviewer. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk page archiving

I tried to configure automatic talk page archiving, but it does not appear to be working. Could someone with more expertise review my MiszaBot config? If I’ve made a syntax error, please feel free to edit my talk page to correct the mistake. Billhpike (talk) 01:28, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Billhpike. Welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at the bot's main page (User:MiszaBot) it looks like you've chosen to install a deactivated bot. There are a lot of folk here more savvy than me on page archiving, but I can gladly copy over the archiving settings I've got and you can then tweak them for yourself, if you wish. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out I was using a deactivated bot. I’ve copied and tweaked the settings from your talk page. Thanks! Billhpike (talk)

No worries. You can find all the guidance here: ClueBot. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk)

There's not a problem in using "User:MiszaBot/config". That's what I and countless other folk (and this Teahouse page itself) are still using successfully. User:Lowercase sigmabot III runs using the parameters from MiszaBot without problems. It does, however, need the parameters to be correct. For example you had | archive = User talk:Example/Archive %(counter)d , where you probably intended | archive = User talk:Billhpike/Archive %(counter)d . Good luck with your revised settings. --David Biddulph (talk) 05:04, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, David Biddulph My apologies to both if I gave misleading information. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Article on tech/Latin glossary of terms used in citations etc.?

Help Search - I was looking for a list or glossary of technical terms used in footnotes/references/cites/bibliographies, chiefly Latin, and their abbreviations: e.g.: ibid., op. cit., viz., vide infra, auctorial, etc. I must just not have had had the right search terms, because surely there is an article?? I know WP style discourages overuse of these terms (especially ibid. in citations), but one encounters them "passim" especially in journals and older non-fiction. D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 06:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

P.S. any self-referential motif in the above exposition (vide supra) is purely intentional. D Anthony Patriarche (talk) 06:31, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Maproom (talk) 09:16, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

No, but it's still darned useful! D A Patriarche, you might wish, pro tem., to consult this list, compiled auctores varii: List of Latin phrases (full) or this shorter one. (Perhaps not of huge scientific use, though.) Ad infinitum et ultra..!/ Crescat scientia vita excolatur! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

removing edit history when I move my draft from sandbox to article

Hi,

I always have a lot of edit history when I am putting together drafts. I noticed that the article I moved yesterday, someone has come along and deleted the edit history for me. Great! Can I do this myself? If not, which is the best place to ask for that to be done, Teahouse?

thanks MauraWen (talk) 12:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello MaurWen and welcome again to the Teahouse.

Edit history is deleted only in cases where there were copyright violations or significant violations of other policies. It is not normally something done to "clean up" a submission, but in some cases an article has been moved from a user sandbox, there may be a case for removing history unrelated to the current article. Perhaps if you indicated which article you think has had this treatment, we could give a better explanation. Right now, your two recent articles don't seem to have had any history deleted. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Another editor(s) has deleted my edit history in my last two articles, I had long edit histories when I moved the drafts. I tend to tinker with words and sentences quite a bit when working on my drafts. I understand now why edit history needs to be included, even from drafts. MauraWen (talk) 13:54, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Dormant draft

Hi, the creator of Draft:Frister & Rossmann has been blocked since 30 August '17 and the draft has remained unedited for over 5 months. Should an editor nominate it for CSD only after 6 months even though there's no possibility of the original editor contributing to it any more? Thanks, MT Train^Discuss 16:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mark the train, and welcome to The Teahouse. In effect, yes. The speedy deletion criteria are quite strict and precise. If one wants to delete the draft sooner, there is always Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:15, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Nominated for MFD. Thanks, MT Train^Discuss 17:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Mon Cheri Bridals Draft

Hello! I'm having trouble making this draft sound "less promotional." I know that everything requires a source, and I think I've cited everything correctly as far as what's mentioned. Other brands have Wikipedia pages, so I've tried to model this one after them. Can you provide more clarity (with specific examples) of the portions of this draft that are deemed too promotional? Thanks in advance! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mon_Cheri_Bridals Markysmark (talk) 12:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Markysmark. To be brutally frank, I'm having trouble finding anything that isn't either wholly promotional or completely irrelevant. (By the way, thank you for declaring your WP:COI on this topic - it's appreciated. Wikipedia isn't a promotional shop window for businesses like this one - we would recommend building a website or using LinkedIn. If an organisation meets (and please follow the blue links) our standards of notability for organisations, it will have received in depth coverage by independent reliable sources. i.e. not just a passing mention, or a mention of a few people who work at that company. If you can find sources like these and bring those here, we'd be happy to take a look at them and say if you're on the right track. Right now, you're well off that, I'm afraid. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:28, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps part of the trouble, Markysmark, is your incorrect (though very common) misunderstanding that other brands "have" Wikipedia pages. Please understand that not one entity in the world - not one person, not one company, not one organisation, not even Jimmy Wales - "has" a Wikipedia page. We have articles about many businesses and brands, which are (or should be) almost entirely based on what people have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them. Wikipedia has very litle interest in anything that a subject says about themselves (and none at all in how they wish to be portrayed): it is only interested in what people unconnected with them have said (or, rather, published) about them. If there exists enough such material to ground an article, then there may be an article about them (that is what Wikipedia means by "notable"). If there is not, then the subject is not notable, and no article about it will be accepted, however it is written. It is possible that articles were written about some other brands long ago, before we were as careful as we are now: if that is the case, then those articles should be improved, or deleted if the subjects are not in fact notable. --ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Markysmark, there are some articles about brands that are the product of a notable company: Campbell's Soup redirects to Campbell Soup Company. Some brands are notable in themselves: Cadillac is about the Cadillac division of General Motors, but there are also about ten articles about specific models (or should I call them marques?). --Thnidu (talk) 20:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello i want to make a page of bollywood actor Shahab Khan

Hello i m PR of bollywood actor shahab khan i want to make his wikipedia page can u please let me know the procedure how to create an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellosmarty (talk • contribs) 18:59, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@Hellosmarty: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to have a common misconception about what Wikipedia is. It is not social media or free web space for actors to have pages, this is an encyclopedia where article subjects must be shown to be notable. Please read WP:N to learn more. You have what we call a conflict of interest and a paid editing relationship. You need to read WP:COI and WP:PAID as soon as possible and make the appropriate declarations. If this actor merits an article, you really should not be the one to write it. 331dot (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I choose what edit?

Hello! I'm new to Wikipedia here. How do I choose which articles to edit and also what to edit? I'm interested in a lot of subjects such as sports, music, companies and cyrptocurrency. Thanks! MirzaTheGreatest (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

When I first stared editing I would just hit the “random article” button over on the left column of the page. If you aren’t interested in the article it lands on, just hit it again. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks user:Beeblebrox! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MirzaTheGreatest (talk • contribs) 23:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

...and if you do find an article on a topic that you find rewarding to work on, then at the bottom of its page you'll find a list of one or more 'Categories' that it has been put into. Click one of those and it will display other related articles that have been put into the same category. They might need work doing to them, too. And we have many editors who simply like to work in the background, helping reduce the huge and varied backlog of outstanding tasks. (We've even put these tasks into Categories, too. Whilst some backlogged tasks are quite complicated, others can be done by anyone with a desire to help behind the scenes, like replacing dead links in articles with ones that now work. You can find them all at Category:Wikipedia_backlog. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

"Also known as"

Can someone direct me to the page that clarifies how to format "also known as" titles (for example, when the title/subject of an article is also called something else).

I know this should be easy to find, but for some reason I can't locate it. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeraWithaC (talk • contribs) 02:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

@CeraWithaC: SeeWikipedia:Hatnote for this. RudolfRed (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello CeraWithaC and welcome to the Teahouse.

RudolfRed's pointer is appropriate for one sort of "also known as" situation. I come at your question from a different viewpoint and think that the policy you are looking for is what comes up at MOS:NICKNAME or MOS:ALIAS (both end up at the same place). There are policies regarding how to show pseudonyms, stage names, nicknames, and other kinds of aliases in the first paragraph of an article. In some cases, it's just fine to include no mention of the alternate name at all, especially when it is a very common form of shortened nickname, such as "Mike" for "Michael" or "Joe" for "Joseph".

If I've guessed wrong, I apologize. You may also be looking for policies about creating redirects, so users looking up the alternate name will wind up at your article (WP:REDIRECT). — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Messed up a DYK submission

I submitted Template:Did you know nominations/I Saw the Figure 5 in Gold but this is the first time I have tried to do one with an image, and am getting an image error. Any suggestions? David notMD (talk) 20:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I tried just removing the error code, that seems to have worked. I have no idea why that was there as the image was visible. Weird. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Fingers crossed on this becoming a DYK with an image. The painting is a family favorite. David notMD (talk) 01:43, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Creating a New Article

There is a poet who surprisingly does not have a Wikipedia page yet. Am I able to make one for her? How do I make a new page on Wikipedia? Hyelee1028 (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Because this is your first edit, you cannot yet create a mainspace article. Once you are automatically confirmed you will be able to do so, but you can get stared now by either drafting it in your sandbox (just click the sandbox link at the top of the page) or using the articles for creation process. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Your first article for an overview of the article creation process dos and don’ts. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:52, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Hyelee1028, and welcome to the Teahouse. Not all poets get a Wikipedia article (see Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals for guidance), but if your poet has been written about in independent WP:Reliable sources, then please collect your references (see WP:Referencing for beginners), and summarise what your sources say about her. Dbfirs 22:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I would also caution you that successfully creating an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. You would increase the odds of success by first editing existing articles, to get a feel for how Wikipedia works and what is being looked for in articles. 331dot (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

I am guessing you mean a living poet. If so, you can model your approach on articles about Tracy K. Smith, Naomi Nye, Ron Padgett and Mary Ruefle. Note that each of them has been the topic of published articles about the poet and their work. And as 331 advised, you might want to get your iambic pentameter sharpened by first trying your hand at improving existing articles about poets. David notMD (talk) 01:57, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Update a ten-year-old main profile photo?

I noticed that the main photo for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rom%C3%A9o_Dallaire is over a decade old. Is this an acceptable reason to change a photo of a living person? NOTE: There are more recent photos in the commons and many photos from recent news articles available online (File:Lewis Landsberg Dallaire 2017.jpg). Aphra (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello AphraBenn, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's a balance between how recent and how good a photo is. I'd say the current photo, although a decade old, is still better than File:Lewis Landsberg Dallaire 2017.jpg, which is black and white, shows him from side profile only and has other people in it. Not a case here, but typically we change recent photos to photos of the person from the most recognizable phase of their career after they've died. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, and thanks Finnusertop. I agree the B&W photo isn't great, but there are others that are newer (e.g. Roméo Dallaire 2012.jpg) or any photo from many news articles online. The photo currently in use was in the news recently in a mini-scandal about the photographer (http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/joshua-boyles-wikipedia-edits-seem-to-explain-his-alleged-2006-meeting-with-trudeau), which is what brought it to my attention in the first place. Thoughts?

Aphra (talk) 03:41, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Is state level newspapers a good reference?

Recently, My article on Mr. Amod Mardolkar was rejected due to unreliable sources! His movie and fitness related articles have come in many local newspapers! If that can make a change in my article status please get back to me so, I can furnish the proofs!Jeevan Ravi (talk) 05:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jeevan Ravi. I just looked at your draft, and have a couple comments. First off, you should look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners, which will give you good tips on how to proceed. Among other things, references to Google Drive or photos.google.com are never acceptable on Wikipedia, because those are user-submitted. We can only accept reliable, third-party, independent sources, which in this context usually are quality media sources. You state that these sources exist, but you present only one. More need to be added.

Secondly, you present a number of quite personal documents about Mr. Mardolkar. I've deleted the reference (and I strongly urge any admin seeing this to revdel them), because it's not permitted to reveal that sort of information on Wikipedia. But that being said, how did you obtain those documents? If you know Mr. Mardolkar personally (or are him), you should also review WP:COI, which governs working on an article where you may have a personal interest. Ravenswing 05:46, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

can i tow an XC90 AWD on a tow dolly?

can I tow an XC90 2005 model AWD on a tow dolly behind my motorhome?69.40.17.104 (talk) 05:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Volvo doesn't recommend towing their AWD (all wheel drive) vehicles, including the XC90. It is not possible to disengage the AWD rear wheel drive system on these vehicles. See http://volvo.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9802/~/towing-your-volvo-behind-another-vehicle. General Ization ^Talk 05:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

... and for the future it is worth noting that the Teahouse is intended for questions about editing Wikipedia. For more general questions, try the Reference desk. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:21, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

search

Hi I want to search a movie but i don't know the title of the movie is the a way to kind of write what the movie is about to look ay it Whistle toe llll (talk) 11:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Whistle toe llll. The search function looks for words or strings so you would have to guess words mentioned in the article, e.g "film". At Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment you can ask whether users can guess the film from a description. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Removal of sourced from Times Now and I have explained in Talk got no reply

Times Now was launched in 2006 in partnership with Reuters is clearly sourced and this sourced by the Business Standard and by a book. It the most popular channel with highest viewership in India as per the Financial Times ,The Hindu and this book Supreme Court has not awarded Rs 100 Crores to P B Sawant it has only refused the interim order of the Pune District court Times Now had to deposit Rs 20 crores and 80 Crores guarantee with the court not even a single rupee has been given to the Judge. The case is pending in the Bombay High Court and the source is India Today and the Telegraph Earlier I removed an error Press Trust of India have not fined Times Now.Grebeenos (talk) 08:45, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Further Wire accused Times Now of airing an doctored Video which Times Now denied if someone is adding it back you need source other than Wire and Times Now. Wire is a party to this dispute Grebeenos (talk) 08:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

References

This page is not the place for content disputes, Grebeenos. Please follow the steps in dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 13:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

How do I get an infobox for eSports "athletes"?

Hi, The Teahouse members. I'm creating an article for Bjergsen, a pro eSports "athlete", or whatever you want to call them, over at the Danish wikipedia. But I'm having a problem; I don't know what infobox to use... The person who made the {{Infobox on the English "Bjergsen" article wrote {{Infobox Pro Gaming player, but when I do that, it doesn't work. Could someone please explain, or even better, help me with this? Thanks. - Hi im gosu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hi im gosu (talk • contribs) 13:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. From wikidata:Q8840891 it looks as if there isn't a Danish equivalent, but the place to ask is at the Danish Wikipedia, rather than here. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:43, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do that. Hi im gosu (talk) 13:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Redirect problem

Topic A is a redirect page to Topic B. In the Topic B page, I want to call attention to the need for an article on Topic A. But I cannot create a red link. How is this handled? Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 15:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hey deisenbe. When you get redirected to a page, there should be a little text in the upper left hand corner that says "redirected from X". If you click that link it will take you to the redirect itself, rather than redirecting you, and you can edit the page from there. GMG^talk 15:54, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

That I knew, but thanks. The question is if it's an article that for whatever reason I'm not going to write but think someone else should. deisenbe (talk) 16:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Only thing I can think of is to list it at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Cheers IdreamofJeanie (talk) 16:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: You could (and should) tag the redirect with {{R with possibilities}}. If you have a few ideas about what the article would contain, I would also add a note on the talk page to help whoever eventually gets down to creating it. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:29, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Chloe Castro - Wiki Notability

Hi there, I submitted an article a couple of months back about a local celebrity who I believe qualifies as notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. She already features in one article on wikipedia about "The Voice" Season 5 but I feel she now needs her own page. The page has been reviewed and the person reviewing it rejected it on the grounds she is not notable enough. However I've read the guidelines again and I cannot see the issue. Would you be able to help me please?

The Page is Chloe Castro. I have included articles about her in the Telegraph, The Chronicle and The Northern Echo. There are more I can include if necessary, I just chose the most relevant citations.

Thank you very much.

Rose

RosePouton (talk) 16:43, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, RosePouton, but in my view the draft Draft:Chloe Castro is not at present acceptable as an article; and if those are the best references you can find, then she is not at present notable. The Telegraph article says one thing about her; and the other two sources are both clearly based on an interview or press release. Please understand that Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what a subject says about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about them; that the notability criterion really boils down to "is there enough material independently published about this topic to serve as the basis for an article?" and if the answer is no, then no acceptable article is possible; and that nobody in the world "needs their own page", because nobody in the world has or can have their own page. The fact that you have used that phrase suggests to me that you have the (very common) misapprehension that Wikipedia is, or can be, anything whatever to do with somebody's PR. Wikipedia forbids promotion in any form. --ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Harv citation showing odd numbers

I noticed at this article here that the Harv citations seem to show some odd number after the parenthesis, I don't remember seeing this before. What is this, and should I do something about it?★Trekker (talk) 15:30, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

It might or might not be coincidental that Module:Footnotes has been changed today. @Trappist the monk:? --David Biddulph (talk) 15:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Not at all coincidental, fixed. I had forgotten that result:gsub ('%s+', ' ') not only returns result with all instances of one-or-more spaces replaced with a single space, but it also returns the number of replacements. So, 'Hart, Bret 2007, p. 3' rendered as (Hart, Bret 2007, p. 3)3 (the space between 'p.' and '3' is a non-breaking space so isn't included in the replacement).

I would also point out that use of Hart's forename in the {{harv}} templates is inconsistent with other uses in that article. The intended use is surnames only. Written as it is, implies two authors: Hart and Bret. The correct form would be {{harv|Hart|2007|p=3}} and for the 2000 citation {{harv|Hart|Lefko|2000}}.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 16:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The thing is that he has several family members who have also written book which are cited in the article. How do you differentiate between them unless you use forenames?★Trekker (talk) 17:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

He may do but, those are in-line citations. And if they weren't, for example, this one, you would write {{harv|Hart|McLellan|2001|p=<whatever>}}, right?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

That doesn't help in the cases when there is no co-writer, whatever none of this is the main point why I came here for help. Why are there numbers after the citations and how do we do away with them becuse they look confusing.★Trekker (talk) 18:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

EDIT: Seems like it has been fixed now.★Trekker (talk) 18:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I did say that it was fixed in my first post here. The {{harv}} family of templates disambiguate by author surnames and by year. If there is only one author with the same surname as another author and they both publish in the same year, then the date can take a lower-alpha suffix so {{harv|Hart|2007b}} (Bret) may be distinguished from {{harv|Hart|2007d}} (Diana).

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Should an article created by size split have history merge?

Should an article created by moving content out of one article into a new one have history added to the new page?

The article Timeline of second-wave feminism was recently created by pasting half the content of Second-wave feminism into the new article, and cutting it from the old one. The new article appears to have been born yesterday, but in fact most of its content is much older. The edit summary on the creation credits the original page. Is that enough, or should I request that the history of the source article be patched into the new one? Mathglot (talk) 09:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The process is described at WP:Splitting. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Mathglot, your edit summary provides the necessary attribution. I don't think there'd be any way to split the history, as that section presumably evolved in parallel with the rest of the Second-wave feminism article. It is good practice – but not obligatory – to add a {{Copied}} template to the talk-page of both the source and the target article. Ask here or ping me if you don't know how that should be deployed (it's not hard!). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers, I had just done so! Great minds... Mathglot (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2018 (UTC)