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Publish company page on Wikipedia

I want to write an article which in no way advertise / promote my company products / services etc. What are the things i should keep in mind and what procedure should i follow as per the guidelines of Wikipedia. lastly, is there anyone who can help me contribute to writing about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.113.104.81 (talk) 13:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Please don't. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. Would you trust an encyclopaedia where subjects wrote their own articles? – Joe (talk) 13:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Noting for anyone that I left a note here about this, and that they wrote this (G11) draft in an attempt to "no way advertise / promote my company products / services etc" Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

How many

How many editors on Wikipedia ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editmanz (talk • contribs) 07:06, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

see WP:ABOUT and / or https://stats.wikimedia.org/v2/#/en.wikipedia.org Regards, Ariconte (talk) 07:18, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Another option is to check Special:Statistics, though that is only for the English Wikipedia. If your question is more about all Wikipedians across every language edition, then I'm not sure if there is a single place listing and summarizing the total number of Wikipedians. That can probably be determined by some basic arithmetic using the data from each Wikipedia's statistics special page, though.

Moreover, keep in mind that we can only approximate these things, not least because we only can determine how many accounts there are and how active those accounts are by their contributions. We are, in principle, unable to know how many editors (as in the people behind the accounts) there are, since many of them may have become inactive years ago and some may be using multiple accounts (which would inflate the statistics).

With that said, by using some magic words (see this section in edit mode), I can tell you the exact estimates and the numbers will continue to update. On the English Wikipedia, there are currently 48,314,198 user accounts, of which 122,731 have edited within the past 30 days. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 14:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC); last edited at 14:53, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

How to link to a specific page in a book in google books

Happy Autumn, y'all! I'm editing two pages, on both of which I refer to Sam Watkins' book Co. Aytch, about his Civil War experiences. A complete copy of the book is located in google books, so I'd like to cite it such that clicking on the link will go to page 136. The following goes to the front page: https://books.google.com/books?id=HyhCAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Company+Aytch+By+Samuel+R.+Watkins&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5wqOLrdvdAhWLylMKHRinCEQQ6AEINTAC#v=onepage&q=Company%20Aytch%20By%20Samuel%20R.%20Watkins&f=false

How do I get it to go to p. 136? Paulmlieberman (talk) 14:26, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

I believe you're going to want to use something like this: {{cite book|last=Watkins|first=Samuel|title="Co. Aytch": Maury Grays, First Tennessee Regiment|url={{Google books|HyhCAAAAIAAJ|page=136|plainurl=yes}}|page=136}}

Which will look like this in the references: Watkins, Samuel. "Co. Aytch": Maury Grays, First Tennessee Regiment. p. 136.

Hope this helps! Random character sequence (talk) 18:32, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Paulmlieberman. I think the suggestion made by Random character sequence will only work if the page can be accessed via Google Books. My experience has been that Google Books doesn't provide free access to each and every page of the books it hosts; rather you have to purchase the book to have complete access. If that's the case with this book, then the best you can probably do is complete the parameter |page= and then use the parameter |url-access= to let readers know that they cannot access the actual page without registering or subscribing. You can find out more about these parameters in Template:Cite book#Parameters. Just for referenence, you don't need to provide an online link to the relevant page if one is not available per WP:SAYWHERE; it's nice to be able to do so, but sources are only required to be WP:PUBLISHED. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:15, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Actually, some books (typically those that have moved into the public domain) have the full text in Google Books; this is one of them, so Random character sequence's solution does work. Thanks to you both for the input! Paulmlieberman (talk) 15:47, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

deletion of a revision article history

hello can you guys delete this revision history article 08:29, 17 September 2018‎ 212.112.149.90 (talk)‎ . . (54,697 bytes) (+203)‎ . . (→‎Finalists, categories and judges) (undo) (Tag: adding email address) from the article X Factor (Italian TV series) Pikachu7as (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• @Pikachu7as: Done by Stwalkerster.

For future reference, see WP:REVDELREQUEST: you should not request revision deletion (except for copyvios) on public forums (such as the help desk or WP:ANI). I am not exactly sure why anything else than BLP violations could not be asked in public (looking at criteria #2 and #3 in particular), but I assume there is a reason for that. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

sloppy Joe

sorry, don't know if this is the right page or not, but just wanted to say that as a boy growing up in Belfast, my mother would call my t-shirts "sloppy Joes", so I don't know if this was an Ulster/Scots thing, but when I moved to the mainland, no one knew what I was talking about........Thanks. Tommy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.103.72.218 (talk) 14:06, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Teahouse is for asking questions about how to edit Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 17:15, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Tommy. Thank you for wanting to contribute to Wikipedia, but it's a bit hard to know what to do with your contribution. I'm guessing that you are offering it as an addition to the article Sloppy joe? If so, I'm afraid it isn't useful to us, for two reasons. First, this is an encyclopaedia, not a dictionary: it's about things (in a general sense: including people, concepts etc), not about the meanings of words. There is no place in an article about a kind of sandwich for a completely different meaning of the words "Sloppy joe". That information could conceivably go into the article T-shirt, or the article Ulster Scots dialect; though I doubt that the consensus would regard it as encyclopaedic in either of those articles.

The second problem is that your personal experience (or mine, or that of any other random person on the internet) is not regarded as reliable, in the sense that a reader has no way of checking the information. All information included in a Wikipedia article should be backed up by a reliable published source, for example a major newspaper, or a book from a reputable publisher. Without this, information is in a sense worthless.

Please don't be disheartened by this response: we are always happy to welcome new contributors to Wikipedia; but there is a lot to learn about how it works. If you're interested, I suggest trying The Wikipedia Adventure. Cheers, --ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

How long does it take an article to show on google?

I created a page Benjamin Ashitey Amarh and I am not seeing it on google. It is normal? MrOrhin (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely normal. see WP:NOINDEX. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

MrOrhin it may not have been patrolled yet by a new page reviewer to determine if it fits into the encyclopedia or has issues. I hope all is well in Kumasi, Tamale or Accra. Please feel free to ask whenever you need help. Cheers 6Packs (talk) 20:44, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Cheers 6Packs Thanks and All is Well in Accra. And David Biddulph thanks too. I have a drafted article Draft:Rison (Singer) can you go through it to see if it fits into the encyclodepia?? Am here to learn MrOrhin (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Sections of your article on Amarh have no references. Are there published accounts you can add as references? For Wikipedia, it is not enough that something is true - it needs to be verifiable. David notMD (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Oops - accidentally deleted comment

I accidentally deleted a comment (unrelated to mine) in a Talk page when I submitted my comment. I tried to click back to retrieve it but it seems gone. I happened to have saved a pdf copy but don't know how to return the comment without making it my own. Any suggestions? AnthonyTF (talk) 18:59, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Previous versions of the page are accessible via the history tab at the top of the page. In this edit I've restored what you deleted. Thanks for letting us know. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:15, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

That restored the boxes at the top of the page, but a message had also been deleted. I've restored it here. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:30, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

Hello! I'm back, once again, to the Teahouse :)

I noticed a spelling mistake on Editing Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/New page reviewer (new section) - it says minium instead of minimum in, "Minium requirement: 500 mainspace edits and 90 days tenure." However, I don't know how to fix this, so could someone please do that? :) Biscuit-in-Chief (talk) 20:03, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Biscuit-in-Chief. I fixed it at Template:Editnotices/Page/Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/New page reviewer.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thanks :) Biscuit-in-Chief (talk) 20:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

How to edit sidebar to an article

Dear Sir/Madam,

I was able to edit the article about our school, Pinecrest Academy, but I cannot figure out how to edit the sidebar to the right. It has old and incorrect information that I need to change.

Thank you for your help!

Vivian Heard Marketing Manager Pinecrest Academy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vheard79 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

• Hello Vheard79. I suppose these are your additions?

Please immediately go over to our guidelines for paid editors and make the appropriate disclosure before making further edits. You are currently in breach of the terms of use.

We highly discourage direct editing by paid editors, and it is preferable that you use edit requests: that is, go to the talk page of the article (here, Talk:Pinecrest_Academy_(Georgia)), create a new section, paste {{request edit}} and follow by including your proposed changes (preferably in a "change X to Y" format, with supporting references). A neutral editor will then review your proposed edit.

This being said, the sidebar is created by the template {{Infobox school}}. The big bunch of code contains a lot of lines of the type | template_key = text to use; if you know what you are doing, you can edit the right hand side of the relevant parameters yourself, but here also it is probably better to use an edit request (the reviewer will know what to do). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vheard79: An infobox is part of the lead section which does not have a section edit link by default. The Edit tab at top of a page will edit the whole page including the lead. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Are you insomniac like Thái Ngoc?

Are you insomniac like Thái Ngoc? If you are insomniac, you will be like him or Al Herpin. Thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbrahamYatagar2106 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, AbrahamYatagar2106. What is your question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 22:58, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I do a question if you don't sleep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbrahamYatagar2106 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Looks like you became an editor this week, made about 30 edits, all of which have been reverted for cause. What is your intent as a Wikipedia editor? David notMD (talk) 02:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Adding photographs to the upper right hand banner (above the state outline)

Logan House - known to be more than 150 years older than the Wikipedia Teahouse

H!_I am publishing photographs to the NRHP (National Register of Historic Places) wikipedia pages. My focus is listing photographs to the wikipedia NRHP pages THAT DO NOT HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH. My question is: How do I format my photograph to be listed above the geographical State image, below the Longitude & Latitude banner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TEDD LiGGETT (talk • contribs) 02:17, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi, TEDD LiGGETT, welcome to our Teahouse (the Teahouse is getting on a bit now, but still hasn't yet been listed on any register of historic monuments. Any chance you can help with that?). Anyway, joking aside, is this what you're trying to achieve -see: Logan House (Finchville, Kentucky)? If you click the edit source tab you'll see the wikimarkup (our own version of html, if you like). At the top you'll see a set of lines which create an 'Infobox', and this is where you'd place one main picture. You don't need all the text that states: [[File:Logan House (Finchville, Kentucky).jpg|thumb|Logan House (Finchville, Kentucky)]] - just add file name Logan House (Finchville, Kentucky).jpg to the line marked 'image=' because the caption goes into a field labelled, errm, well, 'caption='. What I would also observe is that you really ought to include better descriptions in the image that you place on Wikimedia Commons (like direction of view, date of photo), and do not rely on adding it solely to an individual article. Thus, anyone can click on the image from any language version of Wikipedia and still find the full details there. The exact day and month of a photo is rarely of significance in an article, but is important metadata for the image that anyone can check out at any point in the future. Does this make sense and help? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@TEDD LiGGETT:. I've just taken another look at a few pages to which you've recently added images. Great work - really helpful - but I'd like to invite you to read some of our guidance on image placement and style. So, for example, J. B. Allen House (Chestnut Grove, Kentucky) is a bit of a mess, and doesn't meet our standard style used in this encyclopaedia. Whilst normally I wouldn't be recommending the use of galleries, I think in this instance it would be OK. So please read WP:GALLERY, as well perhaps as Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images, and bear in mind that adding too may images to an article is deprecated. Instead, create a category within Wikimedia Commons for the individual properties and add a link on the article to show readers that there are more images available there. See the {{Commons category}}, {{Commons}}, or {{Commons-inline}} templates for this. And I'm afraid you should not have inserted more pictures as you've done at Kentucky State Capitol - you've rather messed up that page, I'm afraid. Images should only be added if they contribute to the encyclopaedia nature of the article - having two or more similar shots doesn't help - so the gallery should have been used for that. Anyway, perhaps you'd have a go at sorting that one out - it's all part of the learning curve, and your contributions are really most welcome, despite my slight criticism here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:32, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

नमस्ते ।

नमस्कार । मित्रो । आशा करता हू कि आप सभी अपने अनुभवो से मेरा मार्गदर्शन करेगे । सुनील कुमार उपाध्याय। — Preceding unsigned comment added by सुनील कुमार उपाध्याय (talk • contribs) 17:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Indic script

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Welcome!

Hello, सुनील कुमार उपाध्याय , and welcome to Wikipedia! While efforts to improve Wikipedia are always welcome, in my opinion, unfortunately, your contributions are not written in an English that is good enough to be useful. You appear to be more familiar with Marathi language; did you know there is a Hindi Wikipedia? You may prefer to contribute there instead. In any case, welcome to the project, and thank you for your efforts! If you need help, please feel free to notify me on my talk page. GMG^talk 17:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

स्वागतम्!

नमस्कार, सुनील कुमार उपाध्याय , और विकिपीडिया पर आपका स्वागत है। हमेशा से ही विकिपीडिया पर सुधार हेतु किए जा रहे प्रयासों का हम स्वागत करते रहे हैं, मेरी राय में, यदि दुर्भाग्य से, आपका योगदान अंग्रेजी में नहीं है फिर भी कोई बात नहीं वह हम सभी के लिए काफी अच्छा और उपयोगी साबित हो सकता है। क्या आपको मालूम है कि यहाँ एक Hindi Wikipedia है? जहां आप हिंदी भाषा में अपनी चिर परिचित अभिव्यक्ति के साथ शामिल हो सकते हैं, यहाँ के बजाय आप वहां योगदान करना पसंद कर सकते हैं। किसी भी मामले में, हम आपका इस परियोजना में स्वागत करते हैं और आपके प्रयासों के लिए धन्यवाद ज्ञापित करते हैं। यदि आपको किसी भी प्रकार की सहायता की जरूरत है, तो मेरे वार्ता पृष्ठ पर आप नि:संकोच लिखें। GMG^talk 17:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Again, this is English Wikipedia. If you cannot write in English, you should not be posting here. John from Idegon (talk) 23:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

But we do very much want them to contribute to hi.wiki, which can use all the help it can get, as we all can. GMG^talk 23:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty confident that the Marathi Wikipedia would also welcome constructive contributions. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:55, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

General Debate of the 73th UNGA

Hello there! I need help.

I am the one who started General Debate of the seventy-third session of the United Nations General Assembly. But, in my honest view, it seems that someone has edited that article his own way and make disruptive edits (see here). In fact, I try to make this article better by doing final lists of speakers, daily and overall conclusions as well as concise replies by countries. But the content, as of now, seems to be much disruptive than before.

Can it be considered an edit warring? And if not, is there any opinion on how to make such article better? Thanks. Aamuizz (talk) 06:10, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

You, Lihaas, and others have been working together to update the article, and have been discussing your changes on the article's talk page. I see no edit warring. Maproom (talk) 06:57, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks to Maproom, but can I get more editors to work together on such article? Because consensus on edits in such article cannot be reached by only two disagreeing editors, with the one dictates another. Aamuizz (talk) 11:02, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Unblock

How can I get unblocked if I am blocked indefinitely and my talk page access is removed/revoked? 114.124.132.82 (talk) 10:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. Deli nk (talk) 12:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Updation

The style and layout of special pages like prferences, etc were changed. Is this any updation? Please help.--PATH SLOPU ^(Talk) 11:48, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Path slopu and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes it is an update. See meta:Tech/News/2018/39. Regards —AE (talk • contributions) 12:45, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Adventure won't let me go

For some weird reasons TWA keeps following me everywhere. Is it broke or something? And how am I supposed to get rid of it? I just clicked on "Mission 1", I tried the Mission 2, and it was bugged, so I tried to do all of the missions but it doesn't work and it is still following me, sorry if it isn't the right place to ask, but I do not know where to go. --Nutty ^Talk! 12:32, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Nutshinou welcome to the Teahouse. Are you accessing it via a mobile or tablet by any chance? There's a note on the bottom of the front page of The Wikipedia Adventure giving the requirements, and saying it doesn't work very well if it's not on a proper computer. That said, every time you log on you do get another 'Wikipedia Adventure' message automatically on your Talk page. You can just delete the duplicates - or all of them if you wish. Or would you like me - or another host here - to do that for you? I do remember finding it difficult to proceed at one point - only to discover the prompt I needed to complete was really very low down on the page and hard to spot. Do keep trying - it's a great way to learn the basics here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I am on a laptop, and thanks for the information, I'll try to get rid of it myself. Nutty ^Talk! 15:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hi, I have a question on whether or not public limited companies that are listed on any stock exchanges are considered notable. Thanks. – Yanjipy (talk) 01:31, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Yanjipy and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see WP:LISTED. Sufficient independent and secondary sources are still needed. Regards —AE (talk • contributions) 02:06, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks once again AE. – Yanjipy (talk) 15:55, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Help with my page

I need help with my summiting for creating my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Atheghettochild (talk • contribs) 17:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@Atheghettochild: - assuming you are referring to this article (not page), then saying that you need help is somewhat of an understatement. Begin by reading this advice piece for your first article, and in particular learn about notability and references from reliable sources. However, also bear in mind that an autobiographical article, such as the one you have appeared to write, is not advised, and not necessarily a good thing. A good rule of thumb is "Don't edit about yourself", given your obvious conflict of interest. Not to be blunt, but in my view the draft you have written has absolutely no chance of being accepted through Articles for Creation, even with a complete rewrite. It is fundamentally flawed. Perhaps work on general editing before returning to it to acquire some experience. Hope this helps, Stormy clouds (talk) 20:12, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Linking terms

How to link a term or some personality with is Wikipedia article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tufayl Ahmad (talk • contribs) 21:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Tufayl Ahmad: and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you are referring to linking between two Wikipedia articles, a term can be "Wikilinked" to its Wikipedia article using double square brackets like this: [[term]]. You'll find more details about the syntax at Help:Link (also includes info about other types of links). GermanJoe (talk) 21:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Certifications and sales

Good day!
I hope you could help me out with some advice.
I do some sales updating for South Korean acts, as SK has a monthly/yearly physical album sales data publishing (numbers as per Gaon Chart). But it also publishes "Foreign" music sales.
Would it be considered a hidrance to add this kind of data to various artist album wiki pages, when these sales are not published as a part of "certification" (as South Korea reinstalled album certification only starting this year and tresholds are HIGH)? For example, Adele's "25" has sold close to 30k albums (according to Gaon Chart) over the last 3,5 years. Can i add the numbers (with reference ofc) such as these to album wiki pages, or better leave it be?
Any advice will be appreciated. Cheers! Kleool (talk) 19:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I see no reason why it wouldn't fit in 25 (Adele album)#Commercial performance, which lists different countries, or the list in 25 (Adele album)#Certifications and sales if we're talking about certifications. /Julle (talk) 23:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Feedback on Draft:Jones-Tino

Hello, I had submitted the draft [2] of Jones-Tino for review quite a while ago. I would really appreciate it if I would receive some feedback on my first draft. Thanks --RoseRalph (talk) 02:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

(That's Draft:Jones–Tino for anyone wondering.) /Julle (talk) 02:55, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Feedback – ok. I see that many of the wikilinks in the draft, e.g. "Brazilian", "directors", "Nike", don't lead to where you probably meant them to lead. Maproom (talk) 07:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Kanye West Name Change

I see there is a name change of Kanye West in the lead introduction to "ye". I don't feel it is right though to have that name changed as it is not legally given by the individual. What are your views, see the sources below of give inputs on the discussion at the articles talk page. These are the sources partening to the name change. [3] [4] Also take part in the discussion began by Flyer22 Reborn so perhaps a consensus can be made. Cheers 6Packs (talk) 08:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Legality is irrelevant here. What matters for Wikipedia is whether reliable independent sources refer to him as "Ye". As he only announced the name change yesterday, it's unlikely that they do yet. Maproom (talk) 09:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@6Packs: I agree with Maproom. It is far too early to put that in the lead. The only person that calls him that right now is the subject of the article, and we don't care about what subjects say about themselves. You should feel free to remove that statement from the lead (it is mentioned later, so leave that in). Just make sure you give a good edit summary to explain why you've removed it. You can, if you wish, refer to this Teahouse discussion to show consensus/advice from experienced editors. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jungkook.

Hello. Recently my Draft:Jungkook was declined. The person who declined says it's because the artist has no notable solo activities adding a link from this discussion from 2016 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jungkook Since this discussion happened the artist became a producer, he became in the first korean solo artist in charting in countries like Malaysia, Japan, UK and BB BUbbling with his song Euphoria. The artist also participated solo in the project One Korea with the song that was played in the inter korea summit this year and is working in the second song with other notable korean artists. The artist also co-directed a tv show for the channel Mnet this year that was largely reported by the specialized media.

There are so many activities the artist has done that aren't included in the band's wiki article. I was planning to merge my work with Draft_talk:Jeon_Jung-kook but what we want to know is what can we do so the work of hours and days editing isn't in vain because of an old discussion from years ago. The article we are submitting is sourced and we are editing to make it more professional, it's frustrating as new editors to see our work constantly rejected, I would really appreciate some advice ↳ GiovannaG . . . ^{(My talk)} 21:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello GiovannaG and welcome to the Teahouse.

It's sometimes difficult to realize, when creating a new draft, that another draft on the same subject exists or that a previous article on the subject has been deleted, especially when there are varied ways of expressing the subject's name. Your first clue should have come when looking at the image page on Commons where you can see that the image was already used elsewhere. What I see is the discussion from a deleted article from some years ago and four drafts, one of which had been briefly accepted as an article but then moved back to draft. Two of the drafts are in IdkSam's userspace.

You contend that the reasons for the earlier deletion no longer apply and that the new draft should be given consideration. Presenting a draft with over 100 references is an impressive achievement, but it does make the job of the reviewer more difficult, since at least some of the references are questionable and the submission includes some trivia. The question of "is this an acceptable article" is not easy to answer in the affirmative.

Given the state of things, I suggest that you consider taking the argument that the artist is individually notable to the AfC Help Desk and present the 3-5 references that establish his qualification under one of the criteria from NMUSIC. You need to be exact in your argument, do not leave anyone guessing or depending on general statements like you have used here. That discussion will create a record that can be referred back to. Once the notability question is resolved, it will be possible to proceed, merging and (I expect, shortening) material from all of the existing drafts. Yes, this is a lot of work, but not a lot more than has already been put into the draft. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

• @GiovannaG: The above advice is excellent. If you have references dealing about the Mnet show director etc. you should provide them; however, please be aware that being associated with a notable topic does not usually makes one notable (i.e. if a reference deals at length about the show but mentions only the co-director in passing, that is pretty much a useless source for the co-director).

Also, I already told you, maybe not clearly enough, that Wikipedia pretty much does not care about the amount of work you put in an article. It can get you the admiration of fellow editors, but we do not keep a nicely-written article if the topic is not notable, and that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

Finally, your use of "we" makes me think you should read our no-shared account policy. Are you related to Jungkook in any way (for instance, working for a marketing company promoting him?). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 09:24, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, thank you so much for you reply. @Tigraan i'm not related to the artist I don't know him personally. I was referring as "we" when i was considering to merge my work with draft:jeon jung-kook before because of the work that editor was also doing. My interest is for people to find about him and his work because none of his works are included in the groups' wiki. I'm reading your advice @User:Jmcgnh and I'll find the best sources to submit to AfC Help Desk, thank you very much. I also understand Wiki don't care about how many hours we spend editing to submit knowing there are so many articles to read here, I would really don't mind the size of the article that gets approved and if mine is rejected as long as the artist can get an article where people can find about his job, now that the artist is promoting in US and many people can only find an article about him in korean or spanish. ↳ GiovannaG . . . ^{(My talk)} 14:31, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

@GiovannaG: I would like to assist you in your efforts to get a page created specifically about Jungkook, as I believe there are probably now grounds for demonstrating there are sufficient independent sources, and that he's made his mark as a solo performer and personality. (I couldn't persuade my daughter to do the research into the best ones for me, despite her being a bit of a BTS fan). So, if you do wish to prepare an argument to put to  AfC Help Desk, as jmcgnh sensibly suggested, I would be very happy to cast an eye over it before you do submit it. So, feel free to leave a copy (with the key references) on my own Talk Page, and I'll see if I can offer any further guidance. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Looking for Mentor

How do I go about finding an experienced editor to help me, guide me. I've done many edits and am still v much learning. I've created new pages, quite a few in fact. And have managed to grasp how to do info boxes and some fiddly stuff like that. But needing pointers on a number of pages. Is there a 'friendly teacher' system? Someone willing to look at current sites I'm working on and see whether they can help me. Currently working on Nobody's Friends I think there's a forum of such mentors - but not sure where? Find mapping images on pages very tricky, and am probably getting this wrong every time I've attemtpted. Also there's a big question I need to ask about sources and citations. Any help gratefully received. Joelionheart (talk) 16:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Joelionheart: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to make it better. Check out WP:ADOPT. There you can read about the "adoption" (mentoring) program and find a list of editors willing to adopt you. RudolfRed (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC) @RudolfRed: Thank you Rudolf, much appreciated. I'll check it out. Joelionheart (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Joelionheart. The place you're thinking about is Adopt-a-User. To me, you look the ideal user to benefit from this scheme. It has been rather in the doldrums in recent years, mainly because of the (almost) instant responses available here, and at the Help Desk and the live IRC help forum. You are clearly a serious and committed editor, and that's the type of editor I'd like WP:AAU to cater for. Don't bother adding one of the 'adopt me' templates to your Userpage, but instead look through the list of those editors who, like me, have explained their interests, and the type of editor they're happy to mentor. My advice is to simply approach via their Talk Page the one that you think matches your interests, and introduce yourself. Be prepared to be gently turned down if the mentor/adopter is unavailable or doesn't feel you and they have sufficient interests or experience in common. Mentorship is much less common than it once was, but I believe it still has a place, not in supporting brand new editors, but those who, like you, have demonstrated their commitment to editing across Wikipedia, but also recognise their weaknesses and willingness to improve their skills here. I hope you find this helpful, and good luck. (One initial thing I'd suggest is that, looking at your edit history, you could do with adding 'edit summaries' to a lot more if your own edits). Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks Nick for a generous reply giving context & background on Adopt-a-User. Very helpful. And yes, I'm aware that in the past I've often ignored edit summaries, which has been an oversight. Trying to get better at this. Joelionheart (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Joelionheart: You're welcome. A useful tip to ensure edit summaries are always filled in is to go to your Preferences page and, under the Edit tab, you'll see a tick box for Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary It's really worth activating. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 19:28, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Auto Biography

I'm interested in writing a biography of myself. I am an author of 2 books and was told I could add my biography in wikipedia. How can I get started? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreecraven (talk • contribs) 22:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Writing an autobiography on Wikipedia is fraught with problems.... see WP:AUTO. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:26, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dreecraven, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid you've been given bad advice: I suggest you go back to whoever told you that, and recommend that they actually find out something about Wikipedia before blithely giving people advice about it. Autobiography is not actually forbidden in Wikipedia, but it is strongly discouraged, for a number of reasons, as discussed in the link Ariconte gave you. But I want to focus on one: despite appearances to the contrary, "telling the world about" something is emphatically not one of the purposes of Wikipedia: we call it promotion, and remove it wherever we see it. An encyclopaeida, on the contrary, collects and summarises information which has already been published about a subject. If there is sufficient published material about you (not by you, or by your associates, or just a transcript of an interview or press relese you gave) then there can be an article about you. It will not belong to you, and you will not have control over what it contains. --ColinFine (talk) 23:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Additions to a page

My additions to the tetragrammaton page were deleted What gives that person the right to delete them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkleberte (talk • contribs) 19:23, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

There are WP:RULES like WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE, see also WP:RS. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The direct answer to your question, Mkleberte is: Any user has the right to revert an edit. If they do so, you do not have the right to simply reapply the edit (that is called edit warring, and is forbidden, irrespective of the merits of your edit). What you are encouraged to do in that case is to open a discussion with the other user on the article's talk page, to try and reach consensus. Please see WP:BOLD. --ColinFine (talk) 20:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

M - The better place to discuss what does and does not belong in the Tetragrammaton article is at the Talk page for that article rather than the Talk pages of the editors who reversed what you had changed. And remember to be civil, as that is one of the tenants of Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 01:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

A question about adding a category

Greetings. I have a quick question about categories. I am interested in creating a subcategory in Category:Historic house museums in Pennsylvania. This category would be something like Category: Historic house museums in Pennsylvania listed by county.

So my two questions are:

1. What is the most appropriate name for this category? For example, is the category name I suggested here, just now, an appropriate name, or would you suggest a name that better suits this subject?

2. In which category is it most appropriate to create this subcategory? I see that each state in the U.S. has its own category for the historic house museums in that state, such as Category:Historic house museums in Pennsylvania, but none of the states has a subcategory listing the house museums by county. Typically, each state category for this subject has only one or two subcategories, such as Category:Open-air museums in Pennsylvania, but I do not see anywhere a category which further divides a state into county subcategories. So, thanks for any advice. Lee Jay Stoltzfus (talk) 07:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, LeeJayStoltzfus. "Listed by xxx" doesn't make sense for a category: the contents of a category are simply the articles which use the category, and there is no concept of organising them. I suspect that what you mean is that you would like a subcategory Category:Historic house museums of xxx County, Pennsylvania, for each county. (It is possible to create what you have suggested as a 'metacategory' - see WP:DIFFUSE - but I don't see any point in doing so: it would be an unnecessary extra level in the subcategory hierarchy).

Technically, it is straightforward to do this, though ideally you should create a category for every county which has historic houses, and move all the houses into the subcategories. I'm not sure whether it is best practice, though: I suggest asking at WT:WikiProject Categories. --ColinFine (talk) 08:25, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

UTRS

My talk page is revoked and unblock ticket request system takes a very long time. How can I get unblocked now? - 114.124.172.89 (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

: You can't. Posting here is block evasion, and your only other edit was vandalism. If you can't make a convincing argument at UTRS you stay blocked. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

How long the UTRS to take process? 114.124.172.216 (talk) 09:20, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

offensive talk page?

I am aware of a user who has a very prominent banner at the top of their talk page containing offensive language and a potentially offensive link, the top of said user's talk page also contains a reference to a well-publicized mass murder, for no clear reason. This user has been on wikipedia for like 10 times as long as I have, so i'm a bit uncomfortable confronting them about content in there userspace, but think they need to adjust their talk page, do I just post on there talk page? report at ANI? Tornado chaser (talk) 18:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Tornado chaser: I'd suggest asking them about it on their talk page - just be aware that while some things are frowned upon on user pages, its rather rare to see any meaningful action unless it's blatantly something on this list - TNT ^💖 19:05, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

That list didn't look like it covers what I am talking about, and I don't want to make a big deal out of something that is considered acceptable, but the fact that this symbol at this size is at the very top of the talk page along with the word "Attention" followed by multiple obscenities in moderately large font seems like an unacceptable turnoff to new editors attempting to talk to this user, what do you think? Tornado chaser (talk) 19:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I know who you're talking. My advice: just drop it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Ok Tornado chaser (talk) 19:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

If in effect a person has a NO TRESSPASSING sign on their Talk page, pause before adding a comment or New section. David notMD (talk) 22:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

This wasn't a no trespassing sign or request for people not to post, it looks more like an odd sense of humour. Tornado chaser (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't appear to be the one I'm thinking about, from your description. I think it is probably a warning that not thinking before posting on that talk page will be given short shrift. I also doubt it is actually offensive. -Roxy, in the middle. wooF 09:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

How to get wiki markup code from a really old edit

Hi,

I was checking the 2015 BWF Para-Badminton World Championships page and I realized someone has messed up the page. I tried to undo the edits but it was from 2 years ago so it is impossible to undo. I currently have no time for manual-editing, so I want to ask whether we can get (for example) the first wiki markup code when the page is created? Thanks in advance. Griff88 (talk) 14:06, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Griff88. Click the "View history" tab, then a time stamp of an old edit, and then the "Edit" tab when you view the old version. If you view an old diff then you can also click an edit link next to the timestamp of one of the two versions. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

@Griff88: The other thing you could do, if your time is short, is to simply leave an explanatory note on the article's Talk Page, saying what you assess to be incorrect. Then at least another editor may be encouraged to fix it. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much PrimeHunter and Nick Moyes! Griff88 (talk) 09:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Media coverage links for a company

How many minimum references or media coverage a company need before making a company page on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vids312 (talk • contribs) 08:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Vids312. Welcome to the Teahouse. (If you don't mind sharing a cup, you're welcome to drink some of the tea provided a couple of posts above this one in the next post!) But, in all seriousness, the answer to your question can be found in WP:CORPDEPTH, which is just one section in the article on Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) which I invite you to read. There is no simple numerical answer. It comes down to quality of independent, in-depth reliable sources that have written about that company, not how many insider business websites have regurgitated copies of a company's press releases. I hope you find this helpful. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC) Archived— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:03, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Vids312. In addition to Nick Moyes' answer, I would like to suggest that you reframe your thoughts from "a company page" to "an article about the company". This may seem picky, but I believe that it will help to avoid a lot of frustration later. A Wikipedia article should be based on what people unconnected with the company have chosen to publish about it. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what a company (or any other person or entity) wishes to say about themselves. This implies that, as Nick indicated, sources connected with the company or its associates will play a very small role in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Editing

Tea and biscuits - free to allcomers

This image is of little use in showing what a helicopter is, nor what the Sydney Opera House looks like!

Hello, is it possible to add a picture/image to a Wikipedia article, when the editing option is open ? For example, monuments that are described but with no pictures. And what are the definitions for the standard picture/image ? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lfifaria (talk • contribs) 2018-10-01T09:11:59 (UTC)

Hello, Lfifaria, and welcome to the Teahouse. That's an interesting question. In one sense I could say that the only way that's possible is when in editing mode. But I think you want to both edit and upload new photos at one and the same time, right? The picture I've added here was previously uploaded to Wikimedia Commons so, having found the one there that I wanted, I copied its filename and pasted it in to the dialogue box that comes up whilst I was editing this reply to you. (in the editing toolbar you'll see a little picture of a mountain with the mouse-over caption of 'Embedded file') Click the embed file icon and an 'insert file' dialogue appears for you to add that filename and a caption. But you'll note that that dialogue window also has an 'Upload' link. I've never uploaded by that route myself, but you can do it easily from there. Personally, I prefer to upload my images as a separate task, especially multiple images where some metadata is consistent across the images, as this can easily be duplicated during upload to Commons. I am assuming these are images that you own the copyright to, and are willing to freely licence for anyone else to use for any other purpose i.e. under a CC-BY-SA creative commons licence. I am not quite sure what you were alluding to when you ask about 'definitions for the standard picture', but you will find a lot of helpful links at Wikipedia:Images. In essence, only upload an image if a) you own it b) are willing to allow others to use it for any purpose, including commercial, and c) if it adds encyclopaedic value and interest to an article - see the other image I've just embedded. Does this help? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)  

Hello, Lififaria, and welcome to the Teahouse. If there is already a suitable image in WP:Commons, then the answer is an emphatic yes: it is straightforward to add a link to it (though the positioning can sometimes be a bit tricky). If there is not already an image in Commons, there are extra steps, the main one of which is to upload an image to Commons first. However, before doing that it is important to sort out the copyright status of the image: if you took the picture yourself, you normally own the copyright, and have the power to license it in a suitable way when you upload it; in any of the case, it can be difficult. Please see Help:Upload. --ColinFine (talk) 08:32, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Update: Just in case any other editor is interested in the answered part of this question (which I've just replied to on my talk page), here's some further information:

Whilst I'm no expert on Wikimedia Commons images, there's no size limit you need be worried about. But I see no point in supplying a massive 10Mb file of a tiny stamp! A 700x 1000 pixel image should be fine. What I don't,. didn't know is anything about copyright of a country's stamp images - that could be a question you'd have to ask at Wikimedia Commons, or look for similar images of Romanian stamps and see how others have dealt with licencing. Hold on - I've just found the answer for you. Visit C:Category:Stamps of Romania and you'll see a notice saying they're all public domain there. So that's good news! I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:41, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Unblock question

How long the unblock ticket request system takes? - 114.124.172.216 (talk) 09:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't have an answer to this, but made it into its own question, as it appears unrelated to Onderdonk. See next entry. David notMD (talk) 13:04, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Offices

Does Wikipedia have offices around the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.17.62.101 (talk) 11:40, 1 October 2018‎ (UTC)

Hey anon. Although Wikipedia relies primarily on the volunteer efforts of users all over the world, the offices for the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that administers Wikipedia, are located in California. GMG^talk 14:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

only —AE (talk • contributions) 14:09, 1 October 2018 (UTC)