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I didn't know where in the list of categories to put "Category:Asian popes"

There's a category for the three African popes, but there wasn't one for the eight popes who were born on what is now considered the continent of Asia. The existing categorizations by nationality and country were not what was wanted for two reasons: First, they gave popes a nationality by other criteria than where they were born; second, they didn't say what continent they were born on, leaving the reader to figure it out by reading the article to find the birthplace, then either knowing what continent that country was on, or in some cases having to use an atlas to see what continent the birth-city was on (because some nations have parts on two continents). So I went to the pages about those eight popes and added "Category:Asian popes" to the list of categories. But here's my problem; I don't know that I put it in the right order among the categories. I know I should consider both the alphabetical order of the categories' names and the relative importance of the category. But I don't really know how to judge that. Would some more-experienced editor check them out and see whether that line "Category:Asian popes" should be moved up or down in the list of categories at the end of each of those eight articles? Thank you. And if you want me to do the work myself so I can learn, instead of doing it for me, answer this question and tell me how please? Thanks. Eldin raigmore (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2013 (UTC) BTW a reference is [Geographic travels: map of the non-European popes|http://www.geographictravels.com/2013/02/map-of-non-european-popes.html] Eldin raigmore (talk) 21:30, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Eldin raigmore! Welcome to the Teahouse! A category for Asian popes sounds like a good idea. As far as I know, there isn't a firm convention on ordering of categories. For articles about people, usually birth and death dates are placed first. Then come other categories in broad order of importance or size of category. It's often helpful to cluster categories about similar topics (such as nationality or education). If categories are similar in importance and topic, then alphabetical ordering can be used, but it's not that important. So in this case, taking Pope John V as an example:

686 deaths - Popes - Asian popes - Syrian popes - 7th-century Italian people - 7th-century Byzantine people - 7th-century archbishops - Byzantine Papacy - 635 births

...the position of Asian popes looks fine. The only one I'd consider moving is the 635 births. Hope this is of assistance, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:09, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Espresso Addict. I didn't think of using category size as an ordering principle, but that makes sense. I tried to put it near other categories with similar topics. BTW do you (or anyone else) think a robot could be made that would order the categories appropriately? Or at least correct the most egregious deviations? Eldin raigmore (talk) 18:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it would be fairly simple under that principle, or any other clear definition. Rich Farmbrough, 13:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC).

House of Gold & Bones

Dear editors: I cam across this disambiguation page: House of Gold & Bones. All of the items are related to one person, Corey Taylor. It seems to me that these items should be part "See also" items on the Corey Taylor page, and the "House of Gold & Bones" article could redirect there. Is there a reason that I'm not seeing for keeping these items (and accompanying artistic jargon) on a separate page? —Anne Delong (talk) 02:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• I can not understand this question. That's a disambiguation page and looks fine (other than they should remove punctuations from the end of the descriptors)! --Tito Dutta (contact) 02:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

If you think it is fine I will leave it alone. My concern was that they are not really independent items, and one is an idea about which even its originator hasn't made up his mind about. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• (ignore if you already knew it) Reading from Help:Disambiguation Disambiguation pages on Wikipedia are used as a process of resolving conflicts in article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different articles which could, in principle, have the same title.

Now, "House of Gold & Bones" may refer to a) Part 1 b) part 2 and c) the comics. So, there should be a disambiguation page. See another disambiguation page Bengali. Though I feel, unlike Bengali, it is an unimportant disambiguation page! --Tito Dutta (contact) 03:12, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) I thought it was far from fine. The problem as I saw it wasn't that all the items related to one person. Since the page had three entries with distinct articles, each with "House of Gold & Bones" in the title, there is a possible need for disambiguation. I say this qualifiedly because the album appears to be the primary topic and this might be fixable just with hatnotes). Anyway, that speaks to the the purpose of a dab page – to differentiate between various entries with articles that might be ambiguous with one another so that a person can find the entry they are looking for. What was distinctly a problem was the gushing content. The page read as just shy of blatant spam. A dab page should be a simple index with just the facts: "V term, may refer to X, Y and Z". I have removed all the fluff and the red link and left a spare entry.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. As usual, a good solution was found. —Anne Delong (talk) 03:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

reference problem

I am getting a ref error when I corrected an entry. I began with the "ref" added the website and then ended with "/ref" (using the appropriate <>).

But I got: Cite error: A set of ref tags are missing the closing ref

Any help would be appreciated

Mgsko (talk) 23:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mgsko. In addition to properly placing the ref tags in your citation, you added to the very top of the page two sets of empty ref tags ("<ref</ref><ref</ref>"). You can see what you did by viewing the diff of your edits: here. I'm guessing this was a result of the editing window feature that allows automatic insertion of characters – somewhere along the line while using the insert for <ref></ref> you invoked it twice while your cursor was lollygagging at the top of the screen. Anyway, all fixed. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:08, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Awesome and thanks. I feel like such a tard for editing this page, but hey, it was wrong! Thanks again!

Mgsko (talk) 00:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Image licensing

Hi, all -

I'm working with a library to put an image of an object from their collection up on Wikipedia. They created the image and want to publish it under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 license. I uploaded the image and added attribution info - but now, how do I show evidence of the licensing agreement, as requested by the uploader? Do I need to go to the Creative Commons site and get some sort of documentation? Czarinanc (talk) 19:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The author of the photograph must verify permissions via an OTRS ticket. It looks as if that has begun. Am I mistaken?--Amadscientist (talk) 19:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

The image page that was created when I uploaded it and selected our license indicates that an email w/details for file permissions has been sent to OTRS, but I am honestly not sure what that entails or what I need to be doing on my end. Czarinanc (talk) 20:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

You, or the library, need to send the email, details are on Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries, including a template for the text to send. Provided the OTRS team are happy, that's it, the file will be move to http://commons.wikmedia.org. Rich Farmbrough, 21:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC).

Perfect! Just what we were looking for. Thanks! Czarinanc (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

There is also a community page called Wikipedia:GLAM for Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums. They deal with this use case very often. Stuartyeates (talk) 01:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

How do I highlight the three items in the text that will take a reader to other relevant Wikipedia items.

In the Wikipedia items that I have looked at in the past, certain words that have relevance to the subject matter are highlighted in blue and the reader can click on them and taken to another Wikipedia entry that elaborates. In the entry that I'm working on there are three such items. How do I highlight them? Jckplanner (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

It is rather simple, just type [[articlename]], but please see the linking guidelines before doing so. Cheers. TBrandley 18:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Fixing up edit summaries

Dear editors: I've been trying to be good and fill in my edit summaries. Sometimes, though, I forget, or I type something quickly that has spelling errors in it. When I come across these errors later, is there any way to fix them up? —Anne Delong (talk) 18:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome! After you save the page, you cannot change the edit summary, so be careful with it, particularly if you are in a heated content dispute.

If you make an important omission or error in an edit summary, you can correct this by making a dummy edit (an edit with no changes), and adding further information in its own edit summary. --Ushau97 ^talk 18:09, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Thanks for the information. Occasionally I have accidentally pressed the enter key when I wasn't finished typing. Also, I found a check-box in my preferences which won't allow saving with a blank edit summary. It is annoying, but effective. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

In your preferences you can select an option to get a warning when you try to save an edit with a blank summary, it's third from the bottom in the "Advanced options" section on this page. It helped me get into the habit. Roger (talk) 18:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I need to change an image on a page.

Hi, My employer wants a new image on his page to replace an older photo. I am having difficulty finding the instructions to do this. I am going to keep looking, but would appreciate some tips. Thanks! DaveUplinkdave (talk) 16:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Dave! Welcome to the Teahouse. Just some things to consider before uploading your new image:

• First, and perhaps most importantly, the image must be properly licensed. That means that the image needs to be released under the cc-by-sa and GFDL licenses by the copyright holder (this is usually the photographer, not the subject, so be sure the correct person gives permission). If the image has been previously published (for example, on a website) then the prior publication would need to clearly note that it is under the correct licenses. If it has never been published before, then the photographer themselves would either need to upload it themselves, or email permission to Wikipedia. Instructions for doing so are at WP:IOWN. Please note that these licenses allow redistribution of the work, and are irrevocable, so make sure the copyright holder understands that before uploading.
• Second, upload the photograph. The best place to do this is at Wikimedia Commons, which will allow the photograph to be used on ALL wikimedia sites (not just English Wikipedia). Commons has a much easier-to-use upload system than Wikipedia does; it's actually quite easy to use it. You can find commons at commons.wikimedia.org and once you register an account there, you can upload the photograph. Once you have logged in to Commons, there's a link on the left that says "Upload file"; once you select that link there's a great utility that will walk you through uploading, describing, licensing, and categorizing the image.
• Third, once the image is uploaded, you add it to the articles you want to use it at by replacing the filename of the old image with one of the new image; that should be pretty straightforward to do; if you want to use it in other places you can do so by formatting it using the instructions at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial or Wikipedia:Extended image syntax.

Does that work? Is there any other question you have? --Jayron32 16:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Company Notability

Hi community I work in PR and have been asked to submit a Notability page to WP. The company has gained significant press exposure and independent reviews. I found an entry to a company that is very similar to the one we wish to submit in terms of information the page had to establish its notability. Would you advise we create the page as a sub page and then submit to the community for comments to establish if the company is notable enough? What is the best way to do this? With thanks for your advice.DinghyR (talk) 14:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi DinghyR. The best process to follow in such circumstances would be Articles for creation - build your article there using the Article Wizard and it will be checked and reviewed before going "live". You should also make sure you read the guide for contributors with a conflict of interest, since most of the advice there will apply to you. Another alternatice would be to create the page in your sandbox and ask another, more experienced editor to review it - personally, though, I'd strongly recommend AFC. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

TAFI needs an uninvolved admin

Hello,

If any admin is reading this, can they please come around and help us there at Today's articles for improvement? We need an involved admin who would be able to help us edit the main page to add TAFI as a new section there (As per several hundred lines of discussion already).

So can anyone please help there? Also, all are free and welcome to contribute there.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

For anyone interested, the discussion can be found here Chamal ^T•C 14:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

URLs

Should online refs be accompanied by a URL? Is there any guideline/policy regarding this? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• Surprisingly this section does not mention URL, but it is good to give, as you know! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

It's sort of like not mentioning "water" in your ingredients list for boiled potatoes because it's so tacit, but I added "the URL" to that section anyway.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:24, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Waiting for the review of article

Hi, I wrote this article - as suggested by someone when I was adding info in Madhubala article. Madhubala article was one-sided and as I am doing a thesis on 'Unauthorised biographies' I tought that I'd add the data and info from another, more popular biography, written by Mohan Deep. It turned out that he had written 3 unauthorised biographies and a few books. More important, I learnt that returning from sabbatical, he has written a new novel ("The Five Foolish Virgins") I also plan to write an article about unauthorised biographers in India which will be about all the people who have written unofficial biographies in India. The situation in India is such that any such book and writer is hounded out if the subject has connections. There was a book on the life of Dhirubhai Ambani. It was not allowed to hit the stands. A books on the life of Shivaji has been banned. There is some much info that can be in this article. But, in the meanwhile, I want to see my article on Mohan Deep reviewed soon. How can I go about it? There seems a backlog of over 2000 articles. F.Balsara (talk) 11:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• Welcome to Teahouse! You are talking about Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mohan Deep. You can not quicken the process. You need to wait, hopefully someone'll pick it soon! I sometimes do review at AFC, if you want, I can review it now! But, sorry to say, I don't think the article is ready. So, you can guess what my answer will be! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I have reviewed the nomination! Let us know if yo need help to solve the issues mentioned at the nomination page! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:43, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I see Tito Dutta has reviewed your article... and I agree with him. Most of the sources seem to be images on Deep's blog - it will be far better if you can explain what they are, then create inline citations for them, rather than the embedded images. Secondly your article seems very one-sided. If looks like Deep has been criticised for his writing. You are not writing from a neutral point of view when you say (for example) Deep "shut their mouth" or "writing the unauthorized biography... earned Mohan Deep a reputation for his unafraid and bold approach". Words like "interestingly" are unnecessary - we can decide for ourselves whether something is interesting. As you are a serious student, you will know you should write encyclopedia articles objectively. Sionk (talk) 12:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Ask to be temporarily blocked

This is prbably the most unorthodox question I've asked and I don't mind if you call me crazy. I am addicted to Wikipedia and this weekend, I want to take a break. Is there any way to ask an administrator to temporarily suspend my access to Wikipedia for 3 days? Thanks. JHUbal27•Talk•E-mail 10:48, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I can relate... Some admins frown on such blocks, but I'll do it for you if you wish. However, you might want to speak to Writ Keeper first; I believe I saw him using some sort of wikibreak-enforcing script on his recent sabbatical, which might be a more appropriate route for you to take. I don't know the details, unfortunately, you'll have to ask him. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• Generally such requests are rejected, see WP:BLOCKME, but you can try self-block Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer. --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• And Self Block (using that script) is better from another aspect, it'll not be logged in your block log, otherwise you may face questions related to that block in your "request for adminship"! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

That's the one I was thinking of, cheers Tito! Yunshui 雲‍水 11:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui and all the other answerers. I think I'll use that self-block script. I just have one question. Can I undo the block? Thanks. JHUbal27•Talk•E-mail 11:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can. Since it's a piece of Javascript, you can get around it by temporarily disabling your browser's Javascript. The way to do that depends on your browser. Any admin can undo it for you, as well, so if you have someone's email address, you can ask them via email. I can send you my email address if you want to do it that way. Writ Keeper (t + c) 12:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• It is not the body that restrains the mind, but the mind that restrains the body. (Or something like that. :P) Point is, I don't believe that you yourself cannot enforce your own break. Exercise some self-control. Self determination! Nevertheless, if you really must, you can ask around here. Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• I was checking that page, check the conditions given here User:Reaper Eternal/Block Requests, specially point 4 and 5. --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Recently, I tried to take a wikibreak, but then on the next day, i still logged in and make edits. So, I gave up on the wikibreak. Arctic Kangaroo 11:18, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• Ha ha! And from first week of January this year, I have been trying to take a WikiBreak "in next one week" (there is a banner at my talk page too)! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC) 11:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hehe... Arctic Kangaroo 11:48, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• And I have been retired from Wikipedia (twice) for the past 3 months. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:05, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

It's in bengali. I'm translating this.

স্যার জাদেজা

রবীন্দ্র জাদেজা কে? ভারতীয় অলরাউন্ডার বলবেন তো? কিন্তু উইকিপিডিয়া যে কাল জাদেজা পরিচয় দিল মানবপ্রেমী, জনহিতৈষী, নোবেল বিজয়ী, দুবারের লরিয়াস বর্ষসেরা ক্রীড়াবিদ এবং বিশ্বের সবচেয়ে ক্ষমতাধর ব্যক্তি! নিশ্চয়ই চোখ কপালে তুলছেন। তবে জাদেজার ক্যারিয়ারের অনুসারী হলে অবাক হওয়ার কথা নয়। টানা ব্যর্থতার পরও বারবার সুযোগ পাওয়ায় কয়েক বছর ধরে জাদেজা মানেই ক্রিকেট কৌতুকের অফুরন্ত খোরাক। ‘রবীন্দ্র জাদেজা জোকস’ নামে আলাদা ওয়েব পাতাও আছে, অনেকে মজা করে ডাকেন ‘স্যার জাদেজা!’ চলতি অস্ট্রেলিয়া সিরিজে ভালো করায় অবশ্য কমেছে এসব। তার পরও কাল জাদেজার উইকি পাতায় কে যেন ওসব লিখে রেখেছিলেন। একটু পরই অবশ্য সংশোধন করা হয়েছে। ওয়েবসাইট।

Sir Jadeja Who is Ravindra Jadeja? Is he Indian all-rounder? But yesterday Wikipedia, identified him as human-lover, human's helper, nobel prize winner, two times lorias winner and worl's most powerful person. Surely you're finding this confusing! But if you're Jadeja's career's consequent then you'll not be confused. After his consecutive failure he was getting chances. for this reason he is a fun guy in India. There's a web page called Ravindra Jadeja Jokes. Many people call him Sir Jadeja by fun. But his good performance at ongoing Australia series reduced these. But still yesterday someone written them(human-lover, human's helper, nobel prize winner, two times lorias winner and worl's most powerful person) in Jadeja's Wiki page. But after sometimes it was corrected.

It's a topic from Prothom Alo the most popular news paper in Bangladesh. Here's the link Prothom Alo. Don't think it at a different sense. I'm just sharing a news. But my word is Wikipedia's vandalism shouldn't be in News Paper. It can reduce the reputation of WP.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 04:46, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused. Is there a question in there somewhere?.--Amadscientist (talk) 05:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

No. I said I was sharing a news. I didn't find a place to show this to the community. For this reason I wrote it here.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 05:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Many newspapers worldwide will occasionally report on some controversy on Wikipedia. In my experience, when they mention something outlandish on a Wikipedia page, they rarely report how long the outlandish thing lasted, even if it was only seconds or minutes. They rarely report on the work of the legions of volunteers, and the sophisticated bots, that fight vandalism 24/7/365, and they almost never report on how effective our anti-vandalism efforts are. That, after all, would make their stories less interesting to the average reader. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Oh well...as we all know, Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit...even jokesters and vandals. Looks like this is a continual bit of vandalism (Nobel prize-winner, etc) that's being deleted (sometimes really quickly) from the article and then added back in. Shearonink (talk) 05:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• It has been handled (twice). In brief, first time, I had this page semi protected and pending changes protected also submitted a complaint at SPI. The article was semi-protected again recently! I can see their "Montobyo din" Post comment text without any option to add comment! --Tito Dutta (contact) 05:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
• One more in Sify! --Tito Dutta (contact) 11:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia at Facebook

I was reading Wikipedia's wall posts at Facebook. Do you know who manage these (also Twiter etc) pages? Wikipedia volunteers or WMF exmployees? --Tito Dutta (contact) 03:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Tito! I asked around, and yep, I think it's WMF employees, at least for Facebook. Writ Keeper (t + c) 04:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

How do you like those posts (link above)? After seeing first few posts I felt, that was a tiny version of "On This Day"! That should be planned and prepared as we do for DYK, Signpost etc. And they should include us (volunteers) in the list (like OTRS members there might be Social networking handlers)! A village pump proposal? --Tito Dutta (contact) 05:51, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of Facebook, to be honest. Writ Keeper (t + c) 12:28, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Cos TWITTER is in the house! Hehe. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:37, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Two accounts, merge or delete one?

I am a newbie. I accidently created two accounts. How can I merge the the two accounts? Or how can I delete one of the accounts? Adirondack BlurLiner (talk) 02:41, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Adirondack, welcome to the Teahouse! It's actually impossible to either merge or delete accounts. Just choose the one you want and use it; leaving the other alone is enough. :) Writ Keeper (t + c) 02:49, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi, Adirondack BlurLiner and welcome to the Teahouse! You can't merge or delete accounts on Wikipedia (it used to be possible but not anymore due to attribution issues, but that's another story). What you could do instead is select one of the accounts to edit with and discontinue using the other one. You could mention that you have also used the other account on your userpage, so that other editors know that both accounts are the same person. Chamal ^T•C 02:53, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt and clear answers. I will follow your suggestions 97.103.25.103 (talk) 08:16, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Can we help US Counties....please

Hey All- I have a question, what can I do to get the US county template fololowed or at least looked at before ANYONE starts editing a US County page here in Wikipedia. I took the current template and added comments [here. I an starting to get edits that are way beyond the pale. Notable persons who have the profound gift of fogging a mirror and replicating their own DNA.... Entire sections about the new theme park and the delightful people who want to sell you fudge, WITH A SMILE! Wikivoyage can have this data and I have tried to point that out. OR, how about the local government section with names, phone numbers, e mails, and hateful comments about their personal lives, Can anyone help this along?? Please??Coal town guy (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Coal town guy. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, even without studying our policies and guidelines, there is no practical way to make people edit the way you want. Simply remove non-encyclopedic material, explaining in your edit summary. Hateful comments about people should be removed immediately, per our strict policy against personal attacks. Lists of top county officials are appropriate. A brief referenced mention of an amusement park may be OK. Cut the part about fudge sales. And assume good faith. This type of editor is trying in their own way to improve the encyclopedia, and may, with a bit of experience and study, go on to be a productive, long term editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:57, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

This is not about what I want. This is about going to an encyclopedia and not reading about how someone got 5 days out of a 3 day foot pad or even better, how Cindy at the stop and go has a really BIG set of eyes....I am asking if all of us think , it would be a good idea, yes, or no, to comment on the currently agreed upon template for a US county. That way, all of us could have a place to say, WOW, great content, or WHOAH, thats horrible. BONUS, we could then have this curious agreed upon standard/consensus. The new person and the experienced person could have a place to see a guideline with explanatory comments..Its called building a consensus. I provided a link to the commented template. I would be delighted, in fact, every moment would be a huzzah and a handspring if a person had their own input. Bring it on, hot dam, lets do this! We already do this for featured articles and content. BUT doing nothing OR the current status quo, does not seem to be slicing it. UNLESS you think that the breathtaking Walmart with a parking lot, is an encyclopedic observationCoal town guy (talk) 20:44, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Coal town guy, I guess you are referring to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._counties#A_proposed_county_template - I have added a few suggestions. Presumably we do have all county pages, I 'm pretty sure I remember working on the disambig pages for them about 5 years ago. Rich Farmbrough, 23:23, 20 March 2013 (UTC).

Many thanks for the reply, its nice to see all perspectives on the topic. When I first started editing a year ago, it was at times very frustrating to receive an edit or reply with no real explanation. A template with mutually agreed upon comments from the community is the correct tool to use for all WikipediansCoal town guy (talk) 00:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Respectfully, I beg to differ. I have been editing Wikipedia for nearly four years, have close to 19,000 edits, and have written or expanded hundreds of articles. 99% of my work here has nothing whatsoever to do with templates. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:53, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I differ as well, but thats fine. If you want numbers, thats fine. In 1 year I have created over 2,300 articles, helped get one promoted to FL status, started a category and identified 900+ articles that fall into it. I have also performed nearly 7,000 edits, thats 1 year. And that means exactly, JACK SQUAT.I did that because admins, fellow wiki folk etc etc helped me with the formatting of what we do here. I received help, someone tried. I am not promoting a hive mentality here. I am not promoting anything. The fact that you disagree is great, because you care enough to have an opinion. BUT per guidlines here at Wiki, I am uninvolving myself with the county template issue in totum. The template had not been looked at in at least 2 years really. An agreed upon collaboration for change is needed in any system. A system that does not change, becomes static, withers and dies, its a fact. My apologies if my sense of trying to create a cooperative effort on a template that does not work offendsCoal town guy (talk) 13:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

How to deal with disruptive editors?

Please glance at this change in prostate cancer-diet and lifestyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostate_cancer&diff=545612994&oldid=545537182

It looks like Jmh649 simply effectively reverted the text back to before my additions / corrections. His edit summaries are not factual.

Jmh649's attempted text does not reflect the reference, and he has deleted information from two high quality secondary sources that meet the needs of this article section without cause.

How does Wikipedia police disruptive editors like, in my opinion, Jmh649?32cllou (talk) 15:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, 32cllou, and welcome to the Teahouse. This doesn't look "disruptive" to me but rather a routine disagreement about how to present the conclusions of a medical study on diet and prostate cancer. This matter should be discussed on the article's talk page, with that other editor and with any other editors with an active interest in the article. I encourage you to assume good faith, namely that the other editor is here to improve the encyclopedia, as you are. Discuss it, and work toward a consensus agreement on the best wording. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:18, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please also note that the other editor is a physician with nearly 75,000 edits, and knows our standards for reporting medical research well. He has explained his reasoning on the talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Having dealt with him before, in my opinion, Jmh has a severe conflict of interest. He is probably a paid editor. Please monitor and help our in our Talk and actions in "prostate cancer".32cllou (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

PS I know the standards of scholarly work, having written extensively in technical fields. Please glance at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23219353 and compare my text with Jmh's.32cllou (talk) 17:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Suicide in Greenland

Can someone add Suicide in Greenland in Template:Suicide by country? And also mention, how did you add it! Thanks! --Tito Dutta (contact) 20:24, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, done. It's part of a neat set of templates that work off {{World topic}} so the change that was needed was to add Greenland to the World topic template. After that any article ABC in Greenland will appear in the appropriate template which has as it's indexing prefix ABC in. NtheP (talk) 22:44, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

• Excellent work! --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

This is sort of a side note, but I think having a template work like this, except where actually necessary, is a bad idea. The fact this question needed to be asked is itself good evidence of the problem. The template's workings are highly cryptic and many people who might want to edit it for the most obvious reason—to add to its content—will be stymied. They can click on the link provided to edit but it is essentially non-functioning unless you're tweaking the code and not the content. Of course, documentation can be added to the template to provide an explanation but it should be reformed to remove the barriers to ease of editing that most templates of the same ilk provide.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:29, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I know what you mean but I think it's a good idea badly explained and one of the things I would prefer to see is better documentation to support templates like these. It's one of those areas where making an update to (or even creating) the documentation ought to be almost mandatory if you modify the template and grounds for removing the update to the template, if the document set isn't updated as well. NtheP (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

We're certainly in agreement documentation would make it much better (or less worse depending on your perspective). But I don't see any benefit this esoteric setup provides over the regular.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

My opinion stands that such a template provides huge advantages over the regular. Maintainance of all the templates is way easier, and they become auto-updated, rather than having to be done manually, which will obsolete all the templates the moment any article is added/deleted. The only drawback is the lack of a documentation, and the possibility of newer countries being added (like for Greenland). TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The other slight drawback is that the "#ifexists:" parser function is considered "expensive" and page are only allowed to have about (I think) 500 of them before the MediaWiki software refuses to render them. Rich Farmbrough, 12:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC).

Is there a problem with that? I am not sure how the MediaWiki software works with templates, and so I fail to see how any page could exceed 500 reasonably. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Every country uses an "#ifexists:" calling "World topic" can consume 204 of these (or more - there are 204 more or less sovereign states and many other territories) - 3 calls would break the 500 limit. Similarly {{Lang}} uses it once, and there are (or were) pages with over 500 calls. Rich Farmbrough, 20:56, 21 March 2013 (UTC).

Just so i am clear on this, the code on every template is called every single time any page uses it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 21:00, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

It's called when the page is rendered - i.e. converted to HTML on the servers. Effectively this happens whenever the page is edited, after any transcluded template is changed (though that is queued) and on various other occasions depending on the way the page caching works. So you are correct for a particular value of "uses". Rich Farmbrough, 21:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC).

That clears a lot of questions. Thanks.

On a related note, if I wanted to crash MediaWiki, I would just need to locate the longest time-consuming template which has been used everywhere the most, and simply make a minor alteration to it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

IMDb

Why does IMDb is not a reliable source for adding information to an article?Miss Bono (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Miss Bono and welcome to the Teahouse! Like Wikipedia, IMDB relies on user submitted content. This means, however, that there is very little in the way of verifying whether or not this information is true. If the IMDB page includes sources to verify the content, it would just be better to use that source. Livewireo (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Note that we often link to IMDb from the External links section. Rich Farmbrough, 21:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC).

Ring Neck Dove

This is the first year we have seen this particular species in Las Vegas, Nv. We have had quite a number of them here feeding in our back garden. They are just lovely. One has actually come to the glass door and sat there and stayed until I loaded the feeder. Thought you might like to know they ar this far West.

M. Marles, Las Vegas, Nv — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.226.103 (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for the tip. Indeed our article on Ring-necked Doves has noted that they were sighted in Colorado and Kansas last year as well. Have you considered joining the birding community at ebird.org? It is a service provided by the Cornell Lab of Ornithology, and your information will be more immediately valuable for their researchers. —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 03:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

You might also be interested in WP:WikiProject Birds which co-ordinates all articles about ornithology on the English Wikipedia. Roger (talk) 11:50, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

U2 by U2

I want to add some references from this book -U2 by U2- but I don't know how to cite them. Can anybody help me? Miss Bono (talk) 13:55, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's not too hard. Use the {{Cite book}} template. Eg. {{Cite book|title=U2 by U2|publisher=HarperCollins|date=|ISBN=978-0-06-077674-9|author=Edge, Adam Clayton, Larry Mullen Jr.}} gives Edge, Adam Clayton, Larry Mullen Jr. U2 by U2. HarperCollins. ISBN 978-0-06-077674-9.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link). Now just put "ref" tags around it <ref name="U2 by U2">{{Cite book|title=U2 by U2|publisher=HarperCollins|date=|ISBN=978-0-06-077674-9|author=Edge, Adam Clayton, Larry Mullen Jr.}}</ref> and you can use it as a footnote. To reuse it simply use the <ref name="U2 by U2" /> with the closing " /".

References

All the best. Rich Farmbrough, 22:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC).

I stumbled across a rather wonderful tool recently for Google books:

This user used the Wikipedia Citation Tool for Google Books before it broke in July 2021.

--Amadscientist (talk) 19:53, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Making a Wikiproject Active Again

I want to activate again the Wikiproject: U2. I've been asking around and no one could give me an answer. I'd like to know what to do. Miss Bono (talk) 18:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Which other editors are interested? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:04, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

That's the other question, I was wondering where should i start to looking for interested editors. Miss Bono (talk) 19:32, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, I will give you some tips on your talk page.--Amadscientist (talk) 19:43, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

• Hello Miss Bono and Welcome to the Teahouse

Making a Project active again is no big deal. Just find people who would be interested in helping around, and start collaborating. You are free to mark any Project to be active, if you think you can make it active.

As to where to look for new editors, I suggest you start by marking it as active in the first place. Then you can send out invites to other people and projects to join in. A good place to start would be to ask the 6 other members, and other related WikiProjects and their active members.

Another place to start will be to check this watchlist and see who are the most frequent/currently active editors on U2 related articles.

Finally, I would also try and do a quick search on all the images in those userboxes you have added to your page. For example, this image is from your "This user knows that you look so beautiful tonight" userbox. if you look at the bottom of the link I gave you, you'll see about 12-13 users also using the same file. My guess then would be that they are using the same userbox as you, and I would try and contact them to see if they would be interested.

Hope this helped. All the best in your efforts to get the project back

Cheers,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:54, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Looking For Sources

I need sources related to this "Eve Hewson talks exclusively to Chrissie Russell" so I'll be able to add information at Eve Hewson's Wikipedia's Article. Miss Bono (talk) 19:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Miss Bono and welcome again to the Teahouse. A quick google search showed this page to be relevant. I believe the source is permissible too.

Hope this helped.

Cheers,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I need simpler answers to my questions.

Geez, it's really hard to get to this page! I love Wikipedia, but recently I've found that the information is far more advanced than I can understand. I wish it was in FAR simpler terms so I don't have to look up every word. It really isn't much of a help if you can't understand the "simple" description. Thank you75.26.167.60 (talk) 04:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to the Teahouse! We do have a lot of policies and guidelines, and although they may seem a bit daunting at first, Help:Getting started is a good place to begin. We also have a cheatsheet to help you along with wikimarkup. But for the sake of simplicity, the most important things to know are these:

1. Content must be neutral and unbiased
2. Content must be referenced to reliable sources. This is to make sure everything is verifiable and there is no original research.

Hope this makes it all at least a little clearer. Chamal ^T•C 04:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Info box picture

Hello, What's the process for changing a photo in an info box? I remember that Wikipedia has some kind of photo bank. Sofiabrampton (talk) 22:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Most photos are on Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org). Only fair use photos are generally kept on the English Wikipedia, as they cannot be shared with all WMF projects. To mak ethe change just change the name of the image in the infobox. (image = foo.jpg). Why do you want to change the image? Rich Farmbrough, 22:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC).

Hello Sofiabrampton, welcome to the Teahouse. Be aware that changing the image in an infobox can sometimes be a controversial move. If your bold replacement is reverted, be sure and start a discussion on the talk page by placing your proposed image along with the older image to gain a consensus for whish picture to use. Happy editing.--Amadscientist (talk) 23:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of my edits

Hello, I have concerns about vandalism on article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lizura . My edits have been repeatedly deleted by deliberately misleading users. Since the article's creation, edits appear to have been made by a series of users who have specific knowledge of the subject, but contribute to no other articles. In removing my edits, one user claimed to be "investigating my IP address," and now an account named "Mediator4001" was created minutes before making a single revision, deleting my edits. Thank you for your help Scarpled (talk) 19:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Accounts like this (known as "single purpose accounts") are not unusual. It appears the two Teahouse regulars have resolved the current issues. If they recur consider asking for the article to be "semi-protected" this prevents brand new editors for editing it. Rich Farmbrough, 22:16, 22 March 2013 (UTC).

How do I post a picture?

I have been trying to make changes by adding pictures to articles that need them. When I try to add a picture, a message comes up and says that Wikipedia would not allow me to upload any photos because I was not permitted. How do I go about getting permission to add photos to articles? Thank you

Fossvane (talk) 18:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello Fossvane, and welcome to the Teahouse! The reason that you are not permitted is because you are not yet an autoconfirmed user. The permission to upload files is granted after your account has at least 10 edits and is at least 4 days old. However, if you wish to upload an image, you may request confirmed status or use files for upload. If adding the image is the only reason you want to be confirmed, I recommend the latter. FrigidNinja 19:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Also, if you created the image and/or it is available under a free copyright license, you can upload it over at our sister project Commons and then use it here. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 20:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about translating

what should i do when I meet some Chinese proper noun (do I just transliterate it into English with Chinese pinyin?)Orangeeeeeee.L (talk) 18:43, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I would have thought that is perfectly acceptable, except where there is a standard Anglicization of the name. Rich Farmbrough, 22:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC).

BLP help

Hey there. So two members have argued that my additions to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey_Academy should be deleted. I worked to make it well sourced, nuetral, informative and contains information critical to the full picture of John Dewey Academy. While I have asked them to help in directing and helping me to make sure the article remains factual and truthful they have only refered me to the BLP page, the page concerning non-profits and offered no input themselves. I read the links they gave me which as I read them, my posts follow them to the T. But they still seem to disagree. What advice could you guys give me? Thanks a lot!!! Troutbum898 (talk) 18:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Troutbum98, and welcome! As a Junior Wrangler here at the Teahouse, I monitor this question page for issues that may be covered by Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons policy. As I have noted on my talk page, you added to the article the text "A former teacher and therapist raped a participant" sourced to a news item which actually says that the teacher "has not been charged with any criminal wrongdoing". I do not consider this to be "well sourced, nuetral, informative". Other Teahouse participants will be able to give you advice on the best way to deal with these difficulties. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, well if that is the only problem I think we have found a place we can agree on. Please look at my final edit and I think you will see I worded everything perfectly and cited it all accordingly. If you look at my final edit which was also deleted, all I said was that a pregancy occured between a therapist and a student. And the reader can then determine on his or her own what they consider 'sexual relationships' between a vulnerable teenager and a therapist in a power position and in control of every aspect of that students life is for themselves. I would consider that rape. Since no qualm was raised here about the founder and him being found guilty in the American court system twice of abuse towards minors and the delineation of what model of therapy they use at the school I will add it back tonight. I think we can all agree that simply stating what type of therapy the school uses as its backbone at a self-described theraputic school is appropiate to merely mention. And as far as that is concerned I cited two books that two different faculty members have published which go into great detail about the Attack and Confrontation therapy they use at JDA. Troutbum898 (talk) 20:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Here is a link to the final edit in case you had difficulty finding it. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Dewey_Academy&oldid=546059427 Thanks for all your help! Troutbum898 (talk) 20:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Troutbum, I really suggest that you discuss this further on the article's talk page, not here before making any more edits to the article. Wikipedia works on consensus and you don't currently have that with the editors who disagreed with your edits. While your last edit might be factually correct, you're not setting it in any context, for example, how did the school respond to Bratter's convictions? Was any action taken against the other member of the faculty? Quoting facts is one thing but context is the second and equally important, that's why policies like WP:UNDUE are being quoted at you. If there is a body of references about inappropriate behaviour between staff and students at the school that makes such behaviour what the school is notable for then yes it deserves to be mentioned but if it's not it really has to have the context specified in detail and not left to the reader to make their own interpretation. NtheP (talk) 21:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good, I was told to come here by another editor, but I will once again stop in a productive dialoge and start again back on another page ( I think the DMV has the Wiki world beat in efficiency, lol). I will answer you however to make the flipping back and forth to find answers easier. Three instances of sexual abuse have occured at a school with 10 kids on average that are stone cold proveable by citing online sources like we must(Sometimes they have as few as half a dozen students, I personally have never heard of the 25 kids they claim to have, but that is besides the point). Last night we had a dozen survivors of this place, who all have expierienced abuse their all rejoicing that we may finally be able to take baby steps towards exposing the truth of cult-like institutions like this. So yes, I would say three abuses at a incredibly small, unique in its use of "Attack Therapy" school is plenty to set a tone for the overall picture of that school. In fact, even a single count of abuse towards minors at a school like this should be talked about. They did nothing to Bratter after both guilty convictions even though he was ordered to never to be alone with a participant and continued teaching. He also privately owned the school at the time, so yes, he didn't fire himself if thats what your asking. He did fire the other therapist. What does that have to do with anything? Does that negate the crimes? Does that negate the abuse? Does that negate the shattered lives of the many he left trampled? If anything the fact that a man found guilty of abuse twice was allowed to continue teaching is frankly horrific. It seems the people who disagree all share an archaic understanding of rape culture, abuse culture, victim blaming culture and how to present the truth simply in a way that empowers the reader by giving them a more accurate picture of JDA. If anyone needs help with finding resources or counseling concerning rape, abuse or victim blaming please contact me and I would be gladly to help you find it. All across this country their is a network of people fighting against rape culture and victim blaming culture so it would be easy to find resources near you. This process has proven to be incredibly slow which I didnt expect but am glad that we seem to be inching towards an answer. Us victims of abuse are used to being brushed under the table and not listened to at all and at least it seems that forward movement is happening with those who are disagreeing with exposing JDA. Thanks again and hope we all can agree one day! Troutbum898 (talk) 21:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Troutbum, let me thank you for your offer to find counselling or resources for us! I am super excited to learn about this offer, and I am sure that it will empower many people. I will mention briefly that Wikipedia editors (and teahouse inhabitants, be they Guests or Hosts or even just junior wranglers like myself) come from all over the world, so you may need to broaden your thoughts from just "all across this country" to something a little wider. Good luck with your fight against blaming! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:02, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! The fight against victim-blaming is important, and you are right I didn't think about the worldwide reach. I can lead to sources who would love to do everything they can to help find people resources from local chapters to therapists. Many are willing to counsel for free across the world and help people come to terms with ideas like rape is rape, abuse is abuse and that we should stop brushing these under the rug. Though my personal spectrum of knowledge is greatly lowered in a world-wide spectrum, there are plenty of resources out there! Though Wiki has shot us down, and another institution will continue doing what they do with little accountability to the public for their crimes, we will tirelessly fight to stop this culture. The rape/abuse/victim-blaming culture is used to this and we will continue our fight of exposing evil. I appreciate your support and wish you the best! Troutbum898 (talk) 04:16, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikibreak enforcer script

I would like to use Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/WikiBreak Enforcer to enforce my wikibreak (if any). However, I have a few concerns. If I use this script/ask an admin to block me, will it be recorded in my block log? And, if I use the script, for "var time", should I put my local time (UTC+8) or UTC time? Cheers, Arctic Kangaroo 16:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi. If you use the script it won't be recorded in your block log. But if you ask an admin to block you then surely it will be logged in your block log. In the documentation of the WikiBreak Enforcer it says that you have to use the local time. I'm not sure. I will try it right now. --Ushau97 ^talk 16:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I just tried it as you can see I used my system's time not the UTC time. Cheers! --Ushau97 ^talk 16:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, so must use the time zone that we set in our Preferences. Arctic Kangaroo 16:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

No or yes. I think you should use your computer's time since the script looks at your computer system's time not the one you set in your Wikipedia account's preferences. Of course, if you have set your preferences time to your local time then it would be a yes. Regards. Ushau97 ^talk 17:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

OK. Thanks a lot. Arctic Kangaroo 17:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Templates

I was looking for some page that shows the different templates around here i Wikipedia- for musical themes- (Artist, Song, Single, Album, etc). An easier way to access. Miss Bono (talk) 15:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Miss Bono, hi. I think you are looking for templates like {{Infobox musical artist}}, {{Infobox song}}, {{Infobox single}} and {{Infobox album}}. You can find all these and others in Category:Music infobox templates. NtheP (talk) 15:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

Could you be a little more specific in what you want? Just an example template of the kind of templates you want to search for. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I was looking for all the templates related to Musical themes, because like i said before, I'm interested in adding information to articles related to U2, and there are a few ones that aren't created. So I just wanted a page where I can find them easily. Regards. 16:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Please log in to your account --Ushau97 ^talk 16:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Done. Miss Bono (talk) 16:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Your IP have been deleted from revision history to protect your privacy. Always remember to log in to your account. --Ushau97 ^talk 17:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with a sports template

Dear editors: I was trying to fix up a page User:Safandor/sandbox which had damaged infoboxes and templates. I managed to fix the infoboxes, but the template has me stymied. I have looked at the template description page, and aside from the fact that some of the names of players haven't been put in yet, I can't find out why it seems to break down in the middle of the list of outfielders. Can someone help? This is an article for creation, so I don't want to leave it half fixed. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Anne, have a look at the code for the line about Angeline Quiocho {{MLBplayer}}|8|[[Angeline Quiocho]]}} See the }} after MLBplayer - that's what causes the problem. They close the MLBplayer template making the }} at the end of the line the close for the MiLB roster template. Everything after that isn't recognised as part of the template. NtheP (talk) 16:10, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. Funny how you can be looking right at something and not see it. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

How is the scope of a list defined?

Hi, I am working on a project creating articles for newspapers published in Australia. The list of newspapers List_of_newspapers_in_Australia uses divisions / definitions for 'community newspaper', 'regional newspaper' while missing things like newspapers published in Australia in languages other than English. Is there some further information available about lists like this for generic topics that will help me to understand what is in scope and what is out of scope for a list? Aliaretiree (talk) 11:35, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

• Welcome to Wikipedia an Teahouse! You can see Category:Lists of newspapers by country and see how other editors are working on similar articles, and we have this Manual of Style guidelines for lists Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists. I do not know more than this! --Tito Dutta (contact) 15:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I would think that the scope of the list is defined by its title. If the creator wanted only English newspapers, the title would be "List of English language newspapers in Australia". I would add the newspaper to the appropriate area of the list according to the current organization, and then note the language of publication afterward. Another idea would be to create a special section for these newspapers if there were several of them. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2013 (UTC)