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Template:Jason's Bracketology

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The result of the discussion was delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jason's Bracketology (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template is unused and is not useful to Wikipedia. NotAnonymous0 (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ASM Oran

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ASM Oran (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused template, redundant to simple wiki markup. RL0919 (talk) 23:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:RAF lists

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The result of the discussion was Merge to {{Royal Air Force}}, although I note that there is relatively little content that requires merging. RL0919 (talk) 17:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:RAF lists (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

One of a number of similar RAF templates which are cluttering the Royal Air Force article. This template is visually similar to the RAF template and with the exception of List of RAF Regiment squadrons link, all the links point or redirect to articles in the Royal Air Force template. (The RAF Regiment might usefully have its own template). Greenshed (talk) 16:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:N&

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The result of the discussion was Keep. RL0919 (talk) 17:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:N& (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

As per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Remember_accessibility_for_the_visually_impaired. Doesn't render a readable character Gnevin (talk) 16:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn in light of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Alt text Gnevin (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The page you linked to only discusses how to alter images to comply with the policy. However, the template doesn't use images, it uses Unicode characters. Can't screen readers handle Unicode automatically? How can I fix it? SharkD  Talk  21:56, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I added an HTML TITLE attribute to the template. It should comply with the policy now. SharkD  Talk  22:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't understand what the problem is, it's not used in articlespace, and a simple alt-text solves the accessibility issue. I also don't see why this is named in such a way as to be highly unclear as to what it is. 76.66.194.4 (talk) 04:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'd also prefer it if issues like these were taken up with the screenreader software producers, instead of with Wikipedia. We can't go adding title spans around all the unicode characters we use in Wikipedia. It's ridiculous and honestly, I'm even somewhat offended. Many people are trying to make the website as accessible as possible to as many people as possible (for users who want to copy text for instance), and unfortunately some folks aren't keeping up. The screenreader software producers sitting on their asses making a lot of money off of disabled people by doing a half-ass job, should not EVER be a reason to nominate a template for deletion. The title attribute is an acceptable solution for me to make this more accessible. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 00:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. Unicode is a sufficiently structured/encapsulateed data type that it can be easily handled by screen readers. The ambiguity regarding what the content is exactly does not exist for Unicode like it does for images. SharkD  Talk  09:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Well unfortunately the screen readers can't make sense of these type of characters and the only thing we have control is our own project content and as such we should make it accessible to as many people as possible Gnevin (talk) 22:32, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    There may be a problem here (and it appears that there is), but this is certainly not a solution. I concur with everything that TheDJ said above, and think that this TFD is unnecessary.
    — V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 11:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    We've plenty other templates that work for all and don't exclude people. This template has at least 6 peers which render something for screen readers. If this was an issue excluding people using IE or Firebox because we used HTML code that isn't supported in IE or Firefox we would move to a cross platform code not blame the developers products. While it maybe the developers issue that they aren't compliant. It's us using the code which is excluding people when we've plenty of other options Gnevin (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have redited the alt text to say "Red X" which is what the template is of. This template is used a lot on Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. ~ R.T.G 00:48, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't work Gnevin (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It was using the title attribute rather than alt. I've added the alt text. Does it work now? Reach Out to the Truth 01:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
✗Yes but note the line break that the deletion notice is causing ~ R.T.G 08:49, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't work . Gnevin (talk) 14:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you just see a red box? If so, i'm having the same problem. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 20:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's working for me. I see a red X and when I hover over it it says Red X. Note that at Template:Y there are other ticks and xs to test which all have alt text. ~ R.T.G 09:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The issue was about screen readers not hover over but it moot now anyway Gnevin (talk) 09:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No not really. I cannot test that myself but if it's not working it really should be fixed. That is one of the major purposes of the alt text after all. Try WP:HELP maybe? ~ R.T.G 09:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As I said above WP:ALT is totally in flux at the moment so there is no point in continuing this discussion Gnevin (talk) 09:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Y&

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The result of the discussion was Keep. RL0919 (talk) 17:42, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Y& (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

As per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Remember_accessibility_for_the_visually_impaired. Doesn't render a readable character Gnevin (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC) Withdrawn in light of Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Alt text Gnevin (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Same as above. SharkD  Talk  22:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Plovdiv

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The result of the discussion was 'withdraw - Now filled, concern no longer valid. I have to say, it is highly unusual for a template to be created over a year before it is filled. But I'll give you that. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Plovdiv (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Empty navbox since November 2008. No content to fill it. — This, that, and the other (talk) 10:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did you think that maybe it would be best to ask the creator why it hasn't been filled first? It is an ongoing process to cover the Bulgarian municipalities in detail....

Speedy Keep The template contains content and is useful. Dr. Blofeld White cat 11:23, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Altwelcome

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The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 13:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Altwelcome (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused user welcome template, user retired the day they finished this template. Furthermore, there are more than enough alternatives in Category:Welcome templates, this template adds nothing special to them. The Evil IP address (talk) 09:13, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Livingships

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Based on the concern about original research, I plan to remove, not substitute, the two transclusions. Editors could introduce similar content as regular text if there are appropriate sources to address that concern. RL0919 (talk) 16:13, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Livingships (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A very old template being used on two articles. Per a discussion at WpShips it is felt that this template is out of line with its intended purpose and also introduces original research into the article. Brad (talk) 06:20, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Oldmfd

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The result of the discussion was Speedy keep per WP:SNOW. A one-word nomination is not going to lead to the deletion of a template that is widely used and specifically cited in the deletion process guidelines. RL0919 (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Oldmfd (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

old R12056 (talk) 05:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Still used. Is there an improved template you are suggesting we replace this one with? If not, then the nomination really isn't justified. — This, that, and the other (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Bambi

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The result of the discussion was Delete. Unused and underpopulated navbox. RL0919 (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bambi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, would also only navigate two articles anyway. The Evil IP address (talk) 02:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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